Suggest me a car...for like the millionth time

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 10/09/2017 at 11:22 • Filed to: None

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As many of you know, I’m looking to replace my ‘01 Lexus LX470, which turned out to be more of a money pit than a buying someone else’s project boat. I’m looking to replace it with a sedan, wagon, or hatch. Budget is around $6500 firm. I want comfort, at least 18/25mpg, and reliability, and low running costs, so I’d like to keep milage no higher than about 120k. I don’t want some huge old barge like a Lincoln Town Car. Other than that, I basically just ask that it’s in pretty good shape with an interior that isn’t black or grey, and that it have enough power to safely merge onto a highway and cruise comfortably at 80mph. What would you suggest?

Van for your time.

HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:29

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TSX.

C62030 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:29

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Park Avenue is always the answer (or LeSabre if you want something smaller):

Mid-90s are the best years to get.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > HFV has no HFV. But somehow has 2 motorcycles 10/09/2017 at 11:30

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An excellent option. Despite the title issues I have my eye on this one:

https://lincoln.craigslist.org/ctd/6331674702.html

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > C62030 10/09/2017 at 11:31

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I find most 90s/00s Buicks literally to gross to even. HOWEVER I would make an exception for an early 00s Riviera supercharged or Park Avenue Ultra.

Party-vi > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:33

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Boi.

https://lincoln.craigslist.org/cto/d/2006-acura-tl-6speed/6300622010.html

Manual trans means it has the uprated suspension components. Plus, dat V6.

CB > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:33

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Any used Civic Sis in that price range?

Legacy 2.5GT (if you can find one without a million kilometres).

Saab 9-3?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Party-vi 10/09/2017 at 11:36

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I’d like to keep milage no higher than about 120k

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with an interior that isn’t black or grey

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CB 10/09/2017 at 11:37

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Civic is probably not quite as comfort-oriented as I’d like.

The right Legacy/Outback would certainly work.

Saab reliability/maintenance scares me, but they’re so cheap that it’s not a hell no.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:38

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sm70- why not Duesenberg? > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/09/2017 at 11:39

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Would have to be a V8. I don’t love the interior on those, the steering wheel is awful, but I suppose compromises must be made.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:40

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You won’t meet your gas mileage requirements with that thing either, but that looks like a nice car - and the V6/stick in that thing is a lot of fun—

CobraJoe > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:43

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How about a Volvo S40 or V50? The 2.4i, non turbo version can be had pretty cheap by now, they’re solidly built, decent interior for an “entry level” car, and the V50 we had was pretty darn reliable. Plus they make a decent noise out of that I5. Non-black interiors aren’t common, but I just saw one on Cars.com with cream leather seats.

The back seat is a bit cramped if someone is going to ride back there, but the larger S60 or V70 would have the same engine in the 2.4i spec. I’m not personally familiar with the T5 versions of any volvos, but I haven’t heard anything scary about them either.

If you didn’t specifically eliminate large cars, I would have suggested a Mercury Grand Marquis. The cheaper version of the Lincoln you banned, but they will seriously last forever with minimal costs and can often be found with low miles because it was “grandmas old car”.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:43

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What about the TL?

Party-vi > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:43

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Okay so 1) I don’t read and comprehend and 2) reliability goes out the window unless you have service history on those belt-driven engines.

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:45

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How about a bmw 530i. Presumably one from 2001. Or an old seven series. As you can tell, I have no idea what a reliable car is

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:47

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https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/2002-lexus-is300/6319202209.html

In all likelihood that has a black interior, how set are you on that?

https://topeka.craigslist.org/cto/d/2006-lexus-low-mileage/6292098001.html

Even nicer - grey interior, and you’d have to talk the seller down a bit...

Boxer_4 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:47

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Go for the 3.0R over the 2.5GT if you go Legacy/Outback.

interstate366, now In The Industry > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:47

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You could find a 1st gen TSX in your price range. Some have tan interior.

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:51

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https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/d/2006-bmw-530i/6338978033.html

Vítor > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:53

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What about a 2006-2008 Lexus IS250? RWD/AWD, can be had with a manual if you prefer, and there are some sub 100k miles in the 6 to 8k range. Average mpg is 23 according to Fuelly and 204 hp should be sufficient. If you want more power you can try finding a 350 too

Milky > WilliamsSW 10/09/2017 at 11:53

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Both of those are the right answer.

Tristan > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:54

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TIATA

TSX is always the answer.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > CobraJoe 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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Of all the cars you suggested, I would probably be most likely to go with the S60 or V70, which I actually really like. The interiors on the S40 and V50 are just sort of bleak and depressing to me, especially in the black color they are most commonly found in. And I’m still holding out on driving some big panther platform car or similar.

WilliamsSW > Milky 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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I would go for the GS, personally, in a heartbeat. But he *did* say no grey or black interior. I think these cars nail it, otherwise.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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https://lincoln.craigslist.org/cto/d/1999-cadillac-hearse/6335315705.html

Not a Town Car

Blue interior

Northstar gets decent gas mileage

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicledetails.xhtml?listingId=463798657&zip=14609&referrer=%2Fcars-for-sale%2Fsearchresults.xhtml%3Fzip%3D14609%26startYear%3D1981%26sortBy%3DderivedpriceDESC%26maxPrice%3D7000%26incremental%3Dall%26engineCodes%3D8CLDR%26firstRecord%3D0%26endYear%3D2018%26modelCodeList%3DLUCERNE%26makeCodeList%3DBUICK%26searchRadius%3D0&startYear=1981&numRecords=25&maxPrice=7000&firstRecord=0&endYear=2018&modelCodeList=LUCERNE&makeCodeList=BUICK&searchRadius=0&makeCode1=BUICK&modelCode1=LUCERNE

easy..

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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If I found the right one, that would certainly be an excellent choice.

Party-vi > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 11:55

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Here you go - Fusion.

https://lincoln.craigslist.org/ctd/d/2010-ford-fusion-se-4dr-sedan/6304867037.html

I drove one of these for a couple days and they aren’t bad at all.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Party-vi 10/09/2017 at 11:56

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That’s more like it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner 10/09/2017 at 11:57

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Yeah no.

I love those cars, but the entire function of this exercise is that I have spent the last three years paying out of my ears for gas and repairs, and I wish to stop doing that.

Shift24 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/09/2017 at 11:57

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I want ... reliability

A jaguar built ford? Wat

benjrblant > Party-vi 10/09/2017 at 11:59

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I’d take that manual TL any day of the week!

Rebuilt title doesn’t make me feel good though.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > WilliamsSW 10/09/2017 at 12:00

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IS is a maybe. I hate grey interiors, and that GS is 30% more than I’m willing to spend.

Party-vi > benjrblant 10/09/2017 at 12:02

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Seems like a lot of the cars in Nebraska have salvage or rebuilt titles from hail damage.

WilliamsSW > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:04

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I’m assuming you could talk the GS seller down a bit, but admittedly probably not below $7-$7.5.

The problem is, in my own head, your wants point my brain toward the Japanese luxury brands - and those are HEAVILY skewed toward black and grey interiors.

CobraJoe > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:06

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You can find a V50 with a lighter interior , but they are a bit harder to find (S40s aren’t much easier to find in non-black interior). At least they’re easier to come by than the T5 5 speed version that I keep looking for. (There is only 1 for sale on cars.com, and it’s in california.)

The S60 and V70 has some amazingly comfortable seats, so it might be worth going that way just for that reason alone.

CobraJoe > Boxer_4 10/09/2017 at 12:09

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I’d agree simply because I’m not a huge fan of my turbo LGT. (I prefer power through displacement instead).

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:15

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There is this.

This might have a hard time doing 80mph, but you would not need to worry about traffic.

There is this for something more fun.

For the last one there is this for something older.

PartyPooper2012 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:16

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what’s the story with the LX470 tho? Miles? Price? Issues?

awmaster10 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:20

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Maybe not that exact example but im sure you could find a 3rd gen TL with a stick with the tan interior. I have an 05 auto and its a GREAT car and with the stick you avoid the only weakpoint which is the A/T durability.

awmaster10 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:25

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With a v8 they are excellent to drive but they are essentially an S type jag so not too reliable. From what ive seen the TL would be a good fit if you can find one with tan interior but if its an auto you want an 07-08. 04-06 A/T is not very reliable, but all years of M/T are the same. That being said I drive a high mileage A/T 2005 and don’t think twice about it ever.

Or find a 1st gen is300 with tan interior since the A/T is solid in those and the M/T is good too but rare.

Also consider a 2nd generation gs430 or gs400 which will run less than the 3rd gen suggested above and has a SWEET v8. Handling is sloppier by far than a TL though even with the RWD advantage.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner 10/09/2017 at 12:33

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Grey interior, and I’m not getting a BMW

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Vítor 10/09/2017 at 12:33

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If I find the right one that could work.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 10/09/2017 at 12:35

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sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 10/09/2017 at 12:35

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I will not drive that.

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:37

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Lucern CXL!

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-Buick-Lucerne-d844#listing=182588497

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock 10/09/2017 at 12:38

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None of these are Jukes, so you are better at coming up with suggestions than I feared you might be.

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:38

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well Imean you can find another color with out the top too.... but yes you would drive that and love it!!

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > PartyPooper2012 10/09/2017 at 12:38

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A ton of costly repairs and it guzzles gas like no other.

gawdzillla > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:39

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wrx

awmaster10 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:39

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I shared my sentiments in other comments but heres my overall take since ive owned 3 cars that fit these exact requirements. Ill just give opinions on what people have mentioned:

Volvos:

I had a 1999 S70 GLT AWD with 140k on it that was very reliable, very comfy, and quick in a straight line. The volvo turbo motors are no less reliable than the 2.4NA, and the motor is certainly not the weak point on these cars. They are mostly reliable, but not cheap to repair when they do go wrong. I really like the s60/V70 T5 out of your volvo selections. I had a tan interior in mine and it was quite nice.

Lexus:

I had a 1998 GS300 that I drove from 160k to 200k. The thing was an absolute TANK and didnt have a single problem. Supremely comfortable, but handling is sloppy and the interior looks horribly dated, especially in tan. In your price range you would want the v8 versions (gs400 gs430). If you step up to the 3rd gen you get better handling but will probably be forced to settle with the smaller motor because of cost. The first gen IS300 would be a great choice if you can find one with a tan interior, but is a little cramped.

Acura:

I currently drive a 2005 TL A/T. It outhandles my old GS300 and S70 by miles, and feels about 10 years newer. The interior is great, the exterior looks great (IMO), and the v6 is silky smooth and loved to rev. If you can find one with a tan interior and especially a stick, this is a fantastic choice. Keep in mind 04-06 A/T is weak. All years of M/T and 07-08 A/T are reliable though. You could also consider a first gen TSX, which handles a little better but is less refined and much slower.

Infiniti:

Take a look at some 05-06 g35 sedans, or even 2nd gen sedans if your budget allows. Keep a look out for rust, thats about all that goes wrong. Easier to find in a tan interior than most Japanese sedans and easier to find in a stick.

Others:

Saab 9-5 was mentioned and is not as unreliable as you may think. High repair costs like a volvo but the important components dont go bad often.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 10/09/2017 at 12:39

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NO

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 10/09/2017 at 12:40

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No.

No Lucernes. No LeSabres. No LaCrosses.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > gawdzillla 10/09/2017 at 12:40

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Can you find ones in that price range in good shape with low miles?

sony1492 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:46

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https://sacramento.craigslist.org/cto/d/classic-sought-after-lexus/6312767334.html

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/cto/d/1993-lexus-sc400-with-74k/6334555532.html

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:46

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Why?

Mini Guy- Now has a 4Runner > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:47

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This may be better https://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/cto/d/2003-mercedes-benz-e320/6335873966.htm

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 10/09/2017 at 12:48

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I just find them to be ugly, depressing boats cobbled together for the soon to be deceased.

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:49

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How far are you willing to drive to get this? I’m finding a couple of Azeras that fit your requirements.

Here is one near me in Dallas .

Do I remember that you are you in Nebraska? Here’s one in Omaha .

That’s just on CarGurus.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 10/09/2017 at 12:50

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I really dislike those but they may be just what fits the bill.

gawdzillla > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:51

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dont recall where you are but this one looks good, not exactly brack / gray interior .... lol

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/2005-saab-9-2x-aero-5-speed/6332421808.html

gmctavish needs more space > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:52

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Just gonna leave this here....

https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/lexus-is300/6337624184.html

gawdzillla > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:53

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cant tell what color the interior is but the guy says something STi

STi are black + blue

https://columbus.craigslist.org/cto/d/07-wrx/6320480231.html

npc58501 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 12:59

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Prius....for old ones replacing the hybrid battery if it fails is cheap. Take money saved in gas/maintenance and get a Miata.

Shift24 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:08

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As some one with a 540i, yeah reliability is not a strong suit of the e39. But gas mileage isn’t that bad, i get 22mpg mixed with my m62 and auto. Sticks get more since they are 6 speeds

Chariotoflove > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:09

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Well then you can’t get it. Nothing sucks more than having to buy a car you hate.

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:18

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Oh, so you’ve never driven one. that’s the issue. go drive one. you’re so wrong my co-workers who don’t even oppo or know about any of this are embarrassed for you. ;P

PartyPooper2012 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:25

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I have 05 gx470. I know it likes a lot of gas. Whats the condition of yours now? miles? I’ll pick it up if need be. I need to get a project car.

Shift24 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:27

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https://indianapolis.craigslist.org/cto/d/67k-miles-01-lexus-ls-430-ul/6330644081.html

I know a tad over but what you get for it and probably can talk him down some. Or

https://bloomington.craigslist.org/cto/d/2006-lexus-is-250-awd/6330851543.html

bhtooefr > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 13:46

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https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/712218511/overview/

See if they’ll go down to $6500?

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/702178427/overview/

Ex-fleet, but...

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/712514839/overview /

Driver’s seat needs help...

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > gawdzillla 10/09/2017 at 13:48

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I love that.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Shift24 10/09/2017 at 13:50

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Reliability/repair costs are the eliminating factor for a bMW.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Chariotoflove 10/09/2017 at 13:51

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True

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 10/09/2017 at 13:52

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The problem is they are still ugly.

Tripper > Chariotoflove 10/09/2017 at 13:53

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Man, that is the truth.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > PartyPooper2012 10/09/2017 at 13:55

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180k miles, good shape.

https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/2001-lexus-lx470-toyota-land/6337213067.html

PartyPooper2012 > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 14:01

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Damn I hate you. I really hate you. I want it. But miles and price are a bit rich for me. Not saying it’s not worth it... just not the kind of miles car I was looking at getting or price I was willing to spend. Good luck with it.

itschrome > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 14:03

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WELL........ you’ll be inside side no need to look at it! haha

Full of the sound of the Gran Fury, signifying nothing. > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 14:05

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I’m not sure if they’ve gotten down to $6500 yet. Find one like mine with a manual transmission; those might be cheaper. Red and dark Grey have beige interiors, whilst silver has black. Those were the only three colors you could get with the manual. I find it a fun car to toss around, this coming from someone whose previous cars were all expensive and German. It’s the ultimate in stealth - minivans are essentially ticket repellent (unless you’re doing something incredibly stupid). And sliding doors are the greatest thing to ever happen to cars.

dtg11 - is probably on an adventure with Clifford > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 14:08

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ymy thoughts are Acura TL or RL. meet mpg requirements, are quite comfortable but still somewhat sporty. They’re reliable, cheaper than Germans to fix. Both have V6s, TL fwd, RL AWD. TL is pretty well loaded but 06+ RL is loaded up with tech. Personally I feel the RL is a better value.

other thoughts: Volvo S80 (07+). Very nice cars, comfortable, quick, well built. Fantastic value, I’ve seen several 07-09 for $6k or less with 120k miles. MPGs are good, only concern is reliability (depending on engine [I5, I6, V8]).

Lexus: maybe 2nd gen IS, but could be hard to meet your mileage standards.

Infiniti: G35/37 are both great options, M35 is a good option too. Probably hard to find a Q45 within mileage constraints and doesn’t meet mpg standards i don’t believe.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 14:34

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Honestly mine hasn’t cost me more to run than any other car I’ve had. Well, insurance, yeah, but as far as parts go I’ve put in less than $300 per year of ownership.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 10/09/2017 at 14:58

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I know but overall the cost tends to be enough higher that I’m not prepared to take the risk.

deekster_caddy > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 16:00

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Find a low miles unmodded early ‘00s Buick Regal GS. Comfortable interior, supercharged 3800 has plenty of power and they are overall very reliable and cheap to maintain. (not all had supercharger, make sure you find one that does) Easily meets your MPG requirements. I would recommend something newer but your strict budget requirement has me looking older...

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > deekster_caddy 10/09/2017 at 16:23

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My grandmother had a Regal of that gen, which I borrowed several times. The grey interior in that (I believe grey was the only interior color for the GS) is one of the most depressing car interiors I’ve ever ridden in.

Maybe I’d do a Park Ave Ultra, but the inside of the Regal is bad enough to ruin the whole car for me.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 16:58

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Buy a Camry and be done with it.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 10/09/2017 at 17:32

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Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 18:38

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VW Jetta with a 2.5? The 2.5 uses a timing chain and has proven to be very reliable. VW come in tan for interiors. And the non turbo, non TDI VWs just don’t hold value that well. This is close with lots of budget to spare, also comes in wagon and stick if you search. And for a base engine it’s got a little go.

https://omaha.craigslist.org/cto/d/jettavw/6334751704.html  

Otherwise mazda6?

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle 10/09/2017 at 18:48

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I’ve heard the 2.5 is kind of a steaming pile of shit in terms of reliability.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 20:20

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Hi, new Jkm.

IS300 still ticks every box except mileage. I’m getting 17/23. But I have a non-black and non-grey interior!

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/09/2017 at 20:30

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If I found the twin to your car, I would buy it. I like it very much.

deekster_caddy > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 20:53

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Yeah the grey plastic everything is a bit much, but it would make reasonably comfortable quick reliable transportation!

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/09/2017 at 22:48

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Honestly, except for the first year when there were some timing chain/guide problems(serious but not really wide spread), I’ve never heard bad things about the 2.5 engines reliability. Sound a little rough? Yeah, I’ve heard that complaint. Not the best gas mileage? Yep, still better than your Lexus but not a great competitor to a 2.0 duratec. Heavy? Yeah. Unreliable though? Not that I’ve ever heard.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/11/2017 at 01:04

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My SIL has had her ‘05 2.5 Jetta (manual) for almost 8 years, and has had bizarrely zero problems with it other than an ignition and maybe a battery. Interior has held up well, other than the usual early ‘00s VAGCOM buttons rubbing blank over time.

V12 Jake- Hittin' Switches > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/13/2017 at 21:37

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2nd Gen LS400?

If you don’t buy this, I’m going to lol.

https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/inventorylisting/viewDetailsFilterViewInventoryListing.action?sourceContext=&newSearchFromOverviewPage=true&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity=c2564&entitySelectingHelper.selectedEntity2=c2536&zip=68101&distance=100&showNegotiable=true&modelChanged=undefined&filtersModified=true#listing=185337582

RT > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 10/14/2017 at 05:55

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Don’t have Craiglist because I’m not in the states.

But from what I can gather you’re probably going for a Lexus IS/Mazda6/Subaru Legacy/Acura Honda Accord?

I wouldn’t write off BMW, Merc and Audi entirely either. Not all of their cars are as high-maintenance as their M stuff.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > gawdzillla 10/18/2017 at 17:14

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9-2x Aero is the top choice as of right now.