"Jcarr" (jcarr)
09/27/2016 at 14:55 • Filed to: Shiplopnik
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"Jcarr" (jcarr)
09/27/2016 at 14:55 • Filed to: Shiplopnik | 2
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This is a piece of 26" thick armor that was to be used on one of the turrets of the Japanese !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! battleship !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . The Shinano was converted to an aircraft carrier before she was completed as a battleship and thus this particular piece was not used. The U.S. Navy got their hands on it after the war and decided to test its strength by firing at point blank with a 16" Mark 7 gun—the same gun used on the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! battleships.
Boom.
Azrek
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 14:59 |
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Totally awesome. The USS Alabama in Mobile lets Boy Scouts stay overnight on the ship and have a run of the boat. It is freaking awesome. That was always the highlight of our year for the Boy Scouts..though it was like a 10 hour drive.
EL_ULY
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:03 |
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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!
ttyymmnn
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:03 |
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Justin Hughes
> Azrek
09/27/2016 at 15:04 |
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Same on the USS Massachusetts in... um... Massachusetts. I did that as a Cub Scout.
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Jcarr
> EL_ULY
09/27/2016 at 15:09 |
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user314
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:14 |
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What’s that old quote about projectiles usually winning the battle against armor?
pauljones
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:15 |
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The Shinano was sunk in 1944 by a US sub, and was never recovered in any way, shape, or form. It’s more likely this sheet of metal that was used was either a bit of excess leftovers from the construction of one of the three ships, or possibly from materials in the process of being gathered for the unbuilt fourth ship in the class. It could also, potentially, be a bogus origin story of the metal.
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Jcarr
> pauljones
09/27/2016 at 15:21 |
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Might want to read the post a bit more closely :)
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> pauljones
09/27/2016 at 15:23 |
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His post says “was to be used in one of the turrets” - I think that’s fairly concise. Produced for use on the battleship portions of the ship that never were. Have you read the book
Shinano!
? Pointless trivia,
Archer-fish
was the only ship in US inventory with a hyphenated name.
Flyboy is FAA certified insane
> Azrek
09/27/2016 at 15:30 |
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The USS New Jersey did the same. Was always cool. Definitely the safest place to be in Camden at night...
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pauljones
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
09/27/2016 at 15:30 |
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I mis-read that, that’s my bad.
I haven’t read the book, but as a kid I was absolutely nuts about battleships, and at one point could name every class and every ship in the class of every battleship built - foreign or domestic - since the USS Maine. This, of course, was in addition to an encyclopedic knowledge of every Starfleet ship known or mentioned, every American combat aircraft since the P-26 Peashooter (with a special emphasis for my love of the F-14), and a savant-level of knowledge of pre-1980s Volkswagens.
Clearly, I wasn’t a socially talented butterfly.
No idea what really happened to all of that knowledge. Well, actually, I do; I started noticing girls. Fast-forward to today, and that knowledge is either gone or locked away somewhere deep.
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pauljones
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:31 |
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Yeah, that was totally my bad. I accept the dunce cap for that one.
Berang
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:36 |
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*insert taco bell joke here*
BorkBorkBjork
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 15:40 |
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And to think, an RPG-7 with a PG-7VR round can penetrate the same thickness plate using the Munroe effect.
Although with significantly less post-penetration effectiveness.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> pauljones
09/27/2016 at 15:40 |
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One thing that surprised me, reading Wikipedia (curious about where it sank) was that it was as deep as 13,000 feet. Reading the book, it had mentioned that the captain was trying to make for landfall to beach it - I guess not making the coastal shelf was a killer.
I recommend the book - the primary author of record is Joe Enright, the captain of
Archer-fish
, though it includes the other side of things in detail. It comes across (despite Enright’s efforts) just how much of the sink was due to sheer balls-out suicidal brazenness on the part of... Enright. The captain of
Shinano
sabotaged the anti-sub efforts of his own escorts because he didn’t believe anyone could possibly be so bugfuck crazy as to command a solitary submarine through multiple destroyer escorts to attack a carrier in Japanese waters. He was convinced to the end that Enright was trying to bait the escorts away...
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Jcarr
> pauljones
09/27/2016 at 15:44 |
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Eh, happens to me all the time.
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Jcarr
> BorkBorkBjork
09/27/2016 at 15:46 |
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I wonder what an Abrams 120mm AP round would do.
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Jcarr
> pauljones
09/27/2016 at 15:47 |
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I think I would have enjoyed hanging out with you more than the “cool kids”.
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BorkBorkBjork
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 16:00 |
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Well, the DU penetrators are particularly nasty. Depleted Uranium is pyrophoric, and when it is super-heated from the friction of penetrating thick steel it tends to burn excitedly, like magnesium. Now due to some of the other effects of DU, like its ability to “self-sharpen” as it passes through armor, the round would be a giant cloud of white-hot burning powder after it entered into the Yamato’s turret compartment. It would consume Oxygen, ignite fuel/ammunition/cordite, and even burn humans completely (above a certain temperature, humans will absolutely combust).
facw
> Jcarr
09/27/2016 at 17:12 |
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Pity about losing USS Barry though. The fact that the National Museum of the US Navy no longer has a ship is sort of sad. I hear base security restrictions make it difficult to visit the museum these days as well.
RacinBob
> facw
09/27/2016 at 18:21 |
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About 1995, I had a spare day and went to the Navy Museum in DC. I recall those armour samples outside. It was back in the day when you could walk right past the gate and get in. Today, I think you need a letter from your congressman.....
One of the most poignant displays in the museum for me was an enigma machine and the radio intercepts between a U boat and its “milk cow” supply sub. As I recall the U Boat had injured men and was meeting the supply sub off greenland. What they didn’t know was their meeting location was intercepted and the supply sub got it first, got sunk and went silent. So now the U Boat is calling but getting no answer. They showed up and were sunk too. Long range B-24s I think got them. 150+ men lost, that’s war.....
Places like that give you a lot to think about....
Ps - The New Jersey is a terrific day at Philatelphia, this time of year, you have the ship to yourself! I think it closes for the season soon.