New York Bombing Suspect Captured; Please Explain...

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura)
09/19/2016 at 16:01 • Filed to: None

...how this terrorism suspect is taken alive after a shootout while unarmed Black men are routinely shot to death in a hail of bullets. (File under WTF.)

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DISCUSSION (42)

Mercedes Streeter > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:06

Oh, I can’t wait for this thread. (btw O.C. I agree with you here...)

Kinja'd!!!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:09

They wanted to take him alive to question him in hopes of finding out if there were other people involved.

Montalvo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:09

Becuase before he gets what’s coming to him he needs to get visited by people who are going to get inside his head and try to pry out some information from him. As for what seems to be an increasingly more common double standard based on skin color there definitely also needs to be some answers for that.

CB > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:11

Could be differences between practices of agencies, the officers themselves (age, length of time with the police), how the interaction occurred (we know there was a shootout, but what happened during it?), and as SidewaysOnDirt mentioned, they could have been ordered to bring him in alive in order to gain information from him. It’ll be interesting to read the report that comes out on this.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:17

Because the US isn’t policed by the same 10 people so different people in different situations result in different outcomes and your statement is a gross oversimplification of a very complicated problem the US faces when it comes to police shootings?

That or the cops aim just sucked...

Berang > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:17

There are also black mass murderers who are taken in without getting shot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1…

I’m not saying there isn’t an obvious problem. But if we’re going to play the “this one particular bomber didn’t get shot” line of thinking, we could cherry pick all day finding instances where X terrible person didn’t get hurt while being arrested, but Y non-terrible person was. So many different variables which may not be readily apparent factor into it.

Jcarr > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:19

Unless the results of all shootouts with terrorists are 100% “captured alive” and all shootouts with black men are 100% “killed” I’m going to chalk it up to shootouts generally being chaotic and unpredictable events.

Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:21

For one thing, they’re likely a lot more careful since they want to know if there are other conspirators or devices. Also, it’s a bit silly to compare one incident to another, since pretty much every single variable you can imagine is different.

crowmolly > CB
09/19/2016 at 16:22

Looks like none of that. The cops didn’t register a kill shot. They hit him more than once and he fell down in pain.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Berang
09/19/2016 at 16:22

Did that guy pull a gun when he was arrested though? I think that’s the issue that’s being raised but I could be wrong.

petebmwm > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:23

He was shot, just didn’t die.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:24

So are you implying the police are incapable of learning from situations when they shouldn’t have pulled the trigger?

Isn’t the whole movement about police getting them better training and pushing for non-life threatening intervention?

I mean, we want that to apply to everyone right?

The only way I can see this call out being legit is if the specific officers involved in this arrest shot black men recently or if they shoot an unarmed black man sometime soon.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts.
09/19/2016 at 16:25

Everyone knows cops can’t shoot.

CB > crowmolly
09/19/2016 at 16:26

I suppose that falls under the “how the interaction occurred” option. Cheers for the information.

Berang > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
09/19/2016 at 16:27

I don’t know if he was armed or not, presumably they considered him dangerous though, on account of being suspected of 11 murders.

PatBateman > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:28

Kinja'd!!!

crowmolly > CB
09/19/2016 at 16:29

Yeah, that works. I was thinking you meant how they approached him, possibly woke him up, etc. Oops.

CB > crowmolly
09/19/2016 at 16:31

It’s cool. I meant the interaction as a whole. I was thinking maybe he was wounded and then surrendered, or something else had occurred.

TheBloody, Oppositelock lives on in our shitposts. > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
09/19/2016 at 16:34

I think with all the news that has come to light shows that they tend to shoot too often...

jkm7680 > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:36

All you’ve done by posting this is making yourself sound incredibly ignorant.

Mercedes Streeter > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
09/19/2016 at 16:36

Hollywood taught me that. Aim accuracy easily has to be like 1%.

Remember when LA police shot 100+ bullets into a pickup truck they thought had a cop killer in it? Over 100 bullets and somehow their aim was so bad they managed not to kill the two occupants.

Jayhawk Jake > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
09/19/2016 at 16:39

No, clearly the answer to inequality is equality. Police should kill everyone regardless of skin color.

Rico > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 16:49

He was shot, just not killed.

and 100 more > Montalvo
09/19/2016 at 16:58

This is the correct answer.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 18:47

Wait so cops are bad for shooting and killing people but when they don’t shoot and kill they are bad???

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Mercedes Streeter
09/19/2016 at 19:00

#heartemoji...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > PatBateman
09/19/2016 at 19:04

Will you expound, por favor?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam
09/19/2016 at 19:08

Actually, I compared one single incident to one single spate of incidents...

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jkm7680
09/19/2016 at 19:08

And I would say that your reply is incredibly disappointing.

Rather than rate me, you might add something to school me.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > petebmwm
09/19/2016 at 19:08

I am curious to learn how many times he was shot.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
09/19/2016 at 19:09

One might suppose.

Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 19:09

Every single one of those occurred under different circumstances too, though. A few were legitimately armed/violent suspects who were shot as a result, and others were unarmed suspects and it was completely unreasonable for them to be shot.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder!
09/19/2016 at 19:12

I did not say that. I don’t think I even implied that, though things can get lost and inferred in the fog of bloggery... I’m just really surprised that the guy isn’t dead of 14 or more gunshot wounds. Perhaps cops are shooting with more restraint these days. Maybe NYPD cops are better at that.

petebmwm > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 19:12

from reports, it looks like 2

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Jcarr
09/19/2016 at 19:13

Certainly. And you could argue that I have compaired shoot outs to shoot ings .

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam
09/19/2016 at 19:19

Really, Sam, that’s all I’m saying, even if I’m being somehow overly glib about it. I think if PD wanted to kill him, he’d be well and thoroughly dead. But he’s not dead, so I have to conclude that PD didn’t want him dead. Which begs a question: who do they want dead and who don’t they and when and why or why not?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > petebmwm
09/19/2016 at 19:23

Thank you for the information. I am waiting for the media reports to settle down and I’ll do some reading.

Sam > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 19:33

I don’t think they want anyone dead. I think a major cause is a lack of proper training. The officers don’t know how to verbally and physically de-escalate a situation, so what is supposed to be their last resort (their service weapon) is their first response to these situations.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Sam
09/19/2016 at 20:31

You are absolutely correct. Or at least, I absolutely share your opinion...

Jayvincent > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/19/2016 at 21:11

Well said

brianbrannon > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo
09/20/2016 at 02:07

Duh, it’s way easier to kill people who don’t have guns

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > brianbrannon
09/20/2016 at 09:39

Yes, but they also seem to kill them much more deader when they’re not armed.