Dedicated Wiki Troll - 5.0 War

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 07/08/2016 at 11:09 • Filed to: 5.0, TROLL, WIKIPEDIA

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As a Ford guy, calling a 302 a 4.9L is sacrilege.

Some wise ass Chevy guy went around and changed them all to 4.9 or for the detailed guy (as referenced in screengrab for 3rd gen Mustangs (aka Fox Platforms) changed it to the message:

302 cu in (4.9L) Windsor V8 (marketed as a “5.0" model)

I want to hate you troll. But your dedication makes me give you some credit.

At the end of the day though:

I’m not going to stop calling it a 5.0 though.

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:16

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Rollin’ in my 4.948893, got the ragtop down, everyone can see.

Tekamul > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:17

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This has been quietly and reasonably discussed before. I’m firmly on the 4.9 side, if only because I’m a devout follower of numbers.

It’s 4942cc. For that to accurately be described as 5 liters, you would have to omit any decimal. It’s a 5, but never a 5.0. That’s not how significant digits work.

GasolineLollipop191 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:17

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302 cubic inches DOES convert to 4.948 Liters. 5.0 is better marketing.

StoneCold > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:18

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Because the 305s were sooooo much better >:|

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:18

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There are three types of people in the world.... Those who can add and those who can’t.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:18

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Yet a 305 can be mathematically correct at 5.0L, what a difference 3ci makes

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:20

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What a difference the actual number makes. A 302’s a 4.9 no matter how many 5.0 badges they plaster on it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:20

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See above GIF

Take your math and get outta here

functionoverfashion > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:20

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Came here to say this. I actually came here to ask, Do we think this difference is intentional? Because then Chevy makes a 5.7 and Ford goes to 5.8

Flavien Vidal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:20

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I like how the 3.3L inline 6 makes one less hp than the 2.3L inline 4 lol

Jcarr > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:20

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:)

Sam > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:21

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I just wanna say 302CI = 4.94889L.

So giving it the 5.0 name is like giving a 2,940CC BMW 3 series the 330i designation.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 07/08/2016 at 11:21

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I didn’t realize in math “rounding up” was no longer allowed.

4.948893 is a pretty safe round. 4.95 would be safer, but even if I didn’t own a 5.0 motor, I’d still round that up for an easier number.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > StoneCold 07/08/2016 at 11:22

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305, the incorrect combination of the number 3, 0 and 5 for a GM V8 haha

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:22

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Actually, that wasn’t an attempt at humour... I was actually making a genuine, interested note of the fact that 3ci is all (heck, 1ci is all) it takes for it to be correct.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > functionoverfashion 07/08/2016 at 11:23

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Dodge recognised superiority when they saw it and dropped from 5.9 to 5.7 :)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Tekamul 07/08/2016 at 11:23

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you take your math and get outta here

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:24

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Rounding up is only allowed if it’s 4.950000000 or higher. It’s not, so you have to round down.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Tekamul 07/08/2016 at 11:24

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True, but what I want to see is what the actual bore size of the engines as produced really is. Nominal 4.000", but if they are even three and a half thousandths over in the mode... it rounds as a 5.0.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > GasolineLollipop191 07/08/2016 at 11:24

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Wonderful

The best line is “I’m in total control”. so many mustang jokes.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Jcarr 07/08/2016 at 11:25

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lol

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/08/2016 at 11:26

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What if it’s under-bored? Ford QC can go both ways.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:27

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Close enough

functionoverfashion > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:27

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Nevermind. Comment unrelated. Thanks kinja.

Tekamul > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/08/2016 at 11:28

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Please feel free to measure your individual bores and crank length, and get back to us. Don’t forget to account for the volume of any scoring.

If you do all that, I think you can call it whatever you want.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 07/08/2016 at 11:28

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ok let’s keep on rounding then. Because at the 4.94889 mark, it would round up to 4.95 which could then round up to 5

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:29

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He *did* fuck up the correct order to correspond to the rest of the table (L, ci) by swapping the two positions, and ruined the formatting with his note. Defacement - time to revert the edit. >neckbeard emoji<

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:30

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Rounding rounded numbers now? You have to pick one. You can round to 4.95 if you’d like. I’m fine with that. Don’t round up the rounded up number to 5.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:31

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If you say 4.9, no one will know what you’re talking about

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 07/08/2016 at 11:34

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I bet not. I’m not aware of pistons being typically made in anything other than nominal and + thousandths sizes for anything but special purpose sleeving applications. If you can’t underbore and have the pistons fit, and you have makeup pistons for anything that’s an overshoot, then when you have is a +xx/-0 tolerance - besides which, you can always bore out until you reach your target, whereas no block anywhere close to factory size will be sleeved back down. Average size will thus be fractionally over 4.000: QED.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:35

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Actually, for grades 1-7 I would have rounded that to 5.0, just because I grasped the concept wrong.

I’d have gone 3 rounds down, 4.94889, 9 goes up 4.9489, 9 goes up 4.949, 9 goes up 4.95, and so on...

Rustholes-Are-Weight-Reduction > GasolineLollipop191 07/08/2016 at 11:35

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Oh god, good thing the 90's are over. But hey, he’s got a manual!

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 07/08/2016 at 11:36

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Ha!

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/08/2016 at 11:36

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Yeah, you can’t sleeve back down, but the piston doesn’t take up the entire cylinder. That’s what rings are for, so if the car came out slightly underbored, it would still work.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > Tekamul 07/08/2016 at 11:36

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FINE THEN I WILL. *makes plan to tear down engine of any 5.0 he gets just to measure bores*

But seriously, I’d bet roughly a third to half of the 5.0s that came out were actually 5.0s.

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 07/08/2016 at 11:39

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I don’t know what the tolerances in an SBF are - that would make or break that approach. Probably enough to allow a -.002 undersize, but who knows? I know that a MEL (which is a tighter tolerance engine) has an intended piston to bore total clearance <.005". Losing two thou on a MEL would fuck it up right good and proper.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:44

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...they’re right.

Ducks behind parapet

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 11:45

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oh just have some fun man

Like I said take your math and get outta here

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 07/08/2016 at 11:46

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you better duck!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/08/2016 at 11:47

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make it happen ramblin!

MPA > GasolineLollipop191 07/08/2016 at 11:51

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Rollin, in my 5.0

with my ragtop down

so my hair can blow

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Rollin, in my 4.9

All you bitches looking fine

wanna get in your vagine

Why am I not a signed rapper? :D

RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:52

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Nah. But seriously, he could have covered it perfectly well with “4.9L (302 cu in) “5.0" Windsor V8". Keeps the passive aggression concise, clear, doesn’t fuck up the formatting.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:54

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no

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 11:58

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Jumps into getaway Austin-Healey 3000 (actually a 2.9l) and roars off down the road.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht 07/08/2016 at 12:00

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it IS in fact a frustrating destruction of the chart.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/08/2016 at 12:00

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Smallbear wants a modern Syclone pictured:

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 07/08/2016 at 12:01

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HA

Junkrat aka Rick Sanchez: Fury Road Edition > BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires 07/08/2016 at 12:01

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Yes they are. Everyone knows it’s the Cleveland you want anyway.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 12:02

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Can confirm. But with more deer in the headlights look. Also, glasses.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 12:05

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Picture corrected:

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Tekamul 07/08/2016 at 12:18

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You gotta remember. Ford is about as ‘MURICAN as one could get. We don’t fully get math.

Urambo Tauro > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 13:10

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As the owner of a 302, I strategically avoid calling it a “5.0". I just say “three-oh-two”, even though it doesn’t have quite as much catchy street cred as “five-point-oh”.

But if someone else calls my car a 5.0, I let it slide.

Busslayer > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 07/08/2016 at 13:13

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Some might assume a Ford 300 straight 6 was transplanted into it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Urambo Tauro 07/08/2016 at 14:44

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I just roll with 5.0

The Snowman > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/08/2016 at 22:07

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A Chevy 305 is the most 5.0.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > The Snowman 07/10/2016 at 18:05

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Never said it wasn’t, except the Ford 302 is a drastically better motor than the GM 305. If you want a GM v8 you need to flip the 0 and the 5 to get a 350 or don’t bother.

BringBackTheCommodore > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/13/2016 at 09:58

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Oh, it got even more pedantic.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BringBackTheCommodore 07/13/2016 at 10:01

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yeah the marketed as a “5.0" model was obnoxious.

dogisbadob > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 07/26/2016 at 13:26

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ROLLIN, in my 4.9

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > dogisbadob 07/26/2016 at 13:27

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TROLL

Party-vi > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/04/2016 at 15:26

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Ok but only the fuel injected 302 engine was sold as the 5.0L. The 302 Windsor engine is a 4.9L. I think the pic you posted is correct, and is how it should be shown on Wikipedia.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Party-vi 08/04/2016 at 15:29

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Is this how you bided your time to try and get back at me?!

Party-vi > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/04/2016 at 15:32

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Nah this I do for fun.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Party-vi 08/04/2016 at 15:55

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Salty bastard