This is why we can't have nice things. 

"LJ909" (lj909) 06/28/2016 at 10:34 • Filed to: None

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Because of price gouging dealers. I love the RS but there’s no way I’m dropping 50 grand on one. The cheapest I seen one was for 39. That’s more reasonable. At 39 it’s like “ok I see the performance here”. At 50 it’s “I just see a Focus before anything else.

S65 > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:37

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Jesus

AbsintheMinded: NeonHeatDreams > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:40

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Get a load of these guys..... RS2 for $62,820.00

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/…

Oh Ford dealers....you silly silly people

Cherry_man1 > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:41

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This is fucked

Milky > AbsintheMinded: NeonHeatDreams 06/28/2016 at 10:43

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LOL at that stock photo they picked.

Nothing > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:45

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I remember looking at C5 Vettes when they were new and seeing 5-10K “Market Value Adjustments”. That would be on base C5s, too. Sheesh.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:45

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Conveniently the window stickers won’t load for either of the two posted so you can’t confirm MSRP

LJ909 > AbsintheMinded: NeonHeatDreams 06/28/2016 at 10:46

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I would offer the invoice just to piss them off.

vondon302 > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:47

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Too new wait a year it’ll drop to at least sticker. Worked on my Boss.

LJ909 > Nothing 06/28/2016 at 10:48

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That’s crazy. I remember back when I was selling at a Chevy store and the Buick store next door back in 09. The then new Camaro had market adjustments adding 15-20k on them, ZR1's had 30 and even Lacrosse had 10. It was sickening.

LJ909 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/28/2016 at 10:48

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Slick ass dealers.

mazda616 > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:51

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The RS is awesome but at the end of the day, you’d be paying 50 grand for a Focus. Ouch.

Dealers suck.

misfitmascots > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 10:55

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As ridiculous as this is, it's still not as bad as when the first GT500 released

My bird IS the word > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:02

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I talked to a dealer and he told me his dealership is already sold out for 2017. Not that I have the money but fml

LJ909 > vondon302 06/28/2016 at 11:04

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I’m hoping they drop down to at least WRX STi territory. It would make sense there.

BREADwagon > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 06/28/2016 at 11:05

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http://www.windowsticker.forddirect.com/windowsticker.…

I’ve never seen a window sticker being restricted before!

50G for an RS? What a joke.

LJ909 > misfitmascots 06/28/2016 at 11:05

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That’s true. Dealers mustve been doing lines of coke of the sales managers desk for the prices GT500s were going for.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BREADwagon 06/28/2016 at 11:07

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It’s probably restricted because they’re over MSRP

LJ909 > My bird IS the word 06/28/2016 at 11:07

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Yea dealers think that because they might be sold out ( and take that with a grain of salt) that means they can charge 20-30 grand over MSRP and it doesn't. On top of that they might be sold out but there's other dealers that aren't.

My bird IS the word > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:11

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Supply and demand my friend. Just because smart people won’t buy it doesn’t mean dumb people won’t.

misfitmascots > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:14

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Or just using the first five numbers they could think of.

LJ909 > My bird IS the word 06/28/2016 at 11:16

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Sad but true. This all goes back too one of the main problems with franchising dealerships. MSRPs mean nothing anymore. But that's a whole different discussion.

MLGCarGuy > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:18

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I see Raceway Ford raised the price. A few weeks ago that same RS was sitting at $44k.

My bird IS the word > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:19

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If ford had their own dealerships they would be doing it too. It is a marketing tactic. A bad one. If they won’t raise prices then they need to make more cars.

AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:22

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I’m guessing you’re not in the US? The MSRP on the RS in the US is in WRX STi territory already.

Edit: silly me, I didn’t see you are in Southern California since that dealership is in Riverside.

LJ909 > MLGCarGuy 06/28/2016 at 11:23

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Wtf seriously? I can't stand Raceway. They were price gouging the FiSt when it came out too. I rather drive to Citrus in Onrario or hell even Worthington before I go to them.

LJ909 > AddictedToM3s - Drives a GC 06/28/2016 at 11:26

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Ha yea. I’m saying that from what I’ve seen with the prices on these things most are in the high 40's low 50s and even 60's. Their regular MSRP of about 35-39 makes way more sense even though it’s a huge jump over what the ST is.

71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:27

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You wanna know the real rip off? The M2 at my local dealer has a 20K markup. I'm sorry, the M2 isn't worth 77K

Tripper > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:29

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There is an oppo who’s got one on order for sticker. Said that he had to try a few dealers before one would put in an order for sticker. I found a dealer to work with me on a Golf R but it was going to take 4 months to order so I passed.

I would love to know what car started this trend. The R8 maybe? Everyone does it now. I put $500 down on an M2 almost a year before release and the dealer called me a few weeks prior to their first delivery saying that they would refund my money or that I could put another $1k on top and expect to pay well over sticker when it arrives. I was really only in it for the test drive, so I passed.

LJ909 > 71MGBGT Likes Subarus of Unusual Colors 06/28/2016 at 11:30

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Yea it really isn't. Especially considering that you can find the last gen low volume 1m for way less than that.

LJ909 > Tripper 06/28/2016 at 11:34

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You have a link to that article? I bet it's a good read. But I've always wondered that as well. When I was in the car business I saw it all the time and it really is a disservice to the customer. Especially when they try to pass it off as some kind of package or trim. I know they are in the business to make money why should someone have to go to 4 or 5t different dealers to get the right price? It's greed and it's sad.

Ash78, voting early and often > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:35

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I have a mental theory that no car variant can exceed 2x the price of the base version, or people tend to start walking away. That's the point where you stop and say "Yeah...but it's still a Focus!" (or Golf, Lancer, Impreza, etc) I can see high $30s on this, but even that's pushing it a little.

MLGCarGuy > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:36

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Ken Grody doesn’t have the RS in stock yet but I imagine that when they do, they’ll probably charge even more than Raceway.

LJ909 > Ash78, voting early and often 06/28/2016 at 11:38

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In a world that made sense regarding selling cars that would be a genius move. I totally agree with you too. I'm a huge fan of those cars. But at the end of the day, while you appreciate the performance and engineering that went into them you still sit back and say that's still a basic ass, rental grade whatever and no amount of Brembo brakes, turbos or drift modes can change that when they start to command serious money.

Tripper > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:40

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I don’t, I can’t for the life of me remember the user. It was in the past few weeks or so.

Yea it definitely is a disservice to the customer, but that is capitalism. I just won’t be buying a car from the dealer that operates like that.

LJ909 > MLGCarGuy 06/28/2016 at 11:41

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Oh hell yea. Ken Grody and Galpin. ESPECIALLY Galpin. They'll probably cook up some tacky performance option no one asked for and push it even closer too 100 grand.

Ash78, voting early and often > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:43

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And I don’t mean just superficially...to me, it's also the business side. Part of me thinks “Wait a minute, this car was mostly designed, built, certified, and tested based on the work of a general mass market car. It's not some bestpoke performance car, but it's almost priced like it is (eg Lotus Elise)." For some reason, that irks me the most.

LJ909 > Ash78, voting early and often 06/28/2016 at 11:49

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I never thought about it like that. It’s crazy and true. All they did was add on( in some cases) a few engine mods to the same engine, suspension,special brakes and wheels, areo, special seats and maybe a different trans. I look at it like if I were to do that myself with one of those cars, would it push up the price to what they charge? Probably not.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 11:55

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I like how the scumfucks are trying to claim that $50k is the MSRP.

LJ909 > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 06/28/2016 at 11:58

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Especially with them intentionally blocking the window sticker from loading.

MLGCarGuy > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 12:03

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Ken Grody was asking $130k for the 2015 GT350 at one point. As you might expect, they haven’t sold any.

Ash78, voting early and often > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 12:11

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And you, as an individual modder, don't have the economies of scale or the discounted parts, so what it costs to build it is far more than Ford would spend.

The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 13:10

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Thats typical pricing were I live. Thanks low CAD dollar.

Flat6ForLife, Drives a Flat4 > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 15:12

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I agree. It’s definitely hard to see the car for what it is when all you can FOCUS on is the price. I’ll see myself out....

Obviouslyclearlyhidden > LJ909 06/28/2016 at 17:08

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Also, MSRP is not 50k. MSRP is actually more around 38k. Someone should explain to them that dealership markup isn’t the same as MSRP.

LJ909 > Obviouslyclearlyhidden 06/28/2016 at 19:53

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I’m pretty sure they know that. But the average dumbass that's going to go pay 50k for an RS will think that's the MSRP. It's the reason they made the window sticker for the car restricted as well.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > LJ909 07/06/2016 at 22:58

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Normally I’d be like, wow, for 50k you can get this this this car and it’d be better.

I’m sitting here going like, for 50k, a large stack of 50k in CASH would be better.

Dana > LJ909 07/07/2016 at 07:31

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That is silly. This thing will sit a long time.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > My bird IS the word 07/07/2016 at 11:48

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The story from my dealer is they’ve taken considerably more deposits than they have production capacity for through the end of next year, and that a memo has gone out to stop taking new ones on the RS.

Anoos > Ash78, voting early and often 07/07/2016 at 12:04

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He also doesn’t have the costs of shutting down a Focus assembly line and setting it up for a run of RS’s and then setting it back up for the normal cars - or of devoting an entire line to the RS’s.

The parts savings itself is probably a wash after considering all the people in the purchasing department and warehouse that have their hands in the process at Ford.

Large corporations are not very efficient.

Ash78, voting early and often > Anoos 07/07/2016 at 12:10

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Oh, I agree completely. At some level of sheer headcount, the “impression” of efficiency starts to take over, but it’s not really there. I’ve always worked at companies with 50-1,000 employees and we had to be efficient or pay the price. Now I work with 300,000 people and the individual levels of redundancy is insane, but in part is a requirement for being so large (especially in a heavily regulated industry, which I'm in...not auto, though).

abaiz.2009 > LJ909 07/07/2016 at 13:13

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It is crap that they are listing that as MSRP, but mark-ups like that on new and “anticipated” cars is nothing new. I was just looking at a BMW M2 here in California, the window sticker said $58,660, but they advertised the price as $88,660.

If you pick one of the newest and hottest cars off the showroom floor you will pay a premium for it. Its the cost of instant gratification. If you order yours and wait for it to arrive, you will pay MSRP.

Beach Bum > LJ909 07/07/2016 at 16:49

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Either amount, I’m buying a 57 Chevy and calling it a day.

TheNorthernSpeed3 > LJ909 07/07/2016 at 21:12

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In Canada it pretty much is MSRP.. fucking sucks.

Chris@Carlypso > LJ909 01/23/2017 at 01:09

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Its not about asking prices its about what someone will pay. Same reason you think its okay to negotiate downwards, why is it a travesty in the other direction?

LJ909 > Chris@Carlypso 01/23/2017 at 01:15

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“Its not about asking prices its about what someone will pay”

Because its one thing to try and make money off of someone so you won’t come out at a loss. It’s another to take advantage of someone. $2-$3 grand? Ok. $10 & $15 grand above sticker for no other reason than the dealer making the car more special than it really is and adding on bogus extras? That’s what’s wrong.

Chris@Carlypso > LJ909 01/23/2017 at 01:26

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I don’t know if they’re “making it more special” or just people really want them. They’re a business selling commodities, some go lower than expected, some higher. The “MSRP” has long been considered irrelevant, why get mad when its wrong in the other direction, its just a functioning marketplace. If no one will pay it, I’m sure the dealer will lower his price.

LJ909 > Chris@Carlypso 01/23/2017 at 02:05

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They’re making it more special. I used to sell cars. I know first hand. And they won’t budge if they think they see demand there. Sad thing is people buy into it. It’s more than just a business selling commodities so they can turn a profit. Car sales is a psychological game with people. That’s why I see charging over MSRP is wrong. Especially when it’s outrageously over and well over reason. Talking a customer up on an RS over an ST that’s already 20k over sticker and justify it with bull like an “optional” anti theft system that really isn’t optional, nitrous filled tires etc isn’t a good way to do business.