"crowmolly" (crowmolly)
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Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:51 |
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I hate just using park. I can't stand it.
AfromanGTO
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:52 |
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I always set the parking brake. I learned how to drive stick shift first and automatics later.
Captain of the Enterprise
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:54 |
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I almost always do, every time if there is even a slight incline
Party-vi
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:57 |
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Oh suuuuuuuuuuuuuuure - drum brakes aren’t good enough anymore for our cars when they’re moving, but we can still use them to keep our cars safe DOWN WITH DISC BRAKES!!!
~ A. Luddite
Honeybunchesofgoats
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:58 |
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I read this in this voice and it made me very happy.
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 13:59 |
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If you’re at the track though, get out of this habit. You’ll warp your rear discs.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Party-vi
06/23/2016 at 14:00 |
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Haven’t seen a drum parking brake in... well, ever. I mean, I know they exist, but I’ve never seen a car with one.
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AfromanGTO
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/23/2016 at 14:02 |
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GTOs have them and so do Vettes. They are a drum brake inside the rear disc.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/23/2016 at 14:02 |
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Not too uncommon on ze Germans/ze Swedes to have a mini-drum inside the rear disc. Americans and others with screw-type caliper parking brakes, less common.
Sneaky Pete
> Honeybunchesofgoats
06/23/2016 at 14:04 |
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Me too, glad I’m not the only weirdo. Bingo! Dino DNA!
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:05 |
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It looks like you’re trying to park a car. Would you like me to help you with that?
[Yes] [No] [Cancel]
deekster_caddy
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:08 |
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As long as it’s drum brakes with a cable...
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/thanks-vw-1782…
The Stig's former college room mate
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:15 |
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this is awesome. i am forcing my wife to read it. she doesn’t understand that the loud bang she hears when coming out of park on a hill is bad.
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Party-vi
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
06/23/2016 at 14:18 |
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I had thought that most US and Japanese manufacturers used the mini-drum designs too. I know the 2000s Silverado used that setup. In fact the only car I’ve seen with a mechanical disc parking brake were the older GM E Bodies, which I only know about because the rear disc setup on the Willys is off a ‘76 Eldorado.
My bird IS the word
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:19 |
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Yea, have fun ya dingus! You should also use your parking brake to prevent it from seizing. Ask me how I know.
Nibbles
> AfromanGTO
06/23/2016 at 14:20 |
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Yup, drum in a hat is still alive and well. It’s amazing, those tiny little shoes hold the whole car in place!
BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:21 |
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Peugeot/Citroen AMTs have the solution to this whole problem: leave out park, and only have A(D), N and R on the selector. When parking just stick it into N and pull the parkingbrake. This is probably the only thing it does good thoigh, since the shifts are kinda awful.
I know an AMT is no automatic transmission, but leaving out the parking pawl and it’s actuators even saves a bit of weight, and is most definetely possible.
McMike
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:23 |
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#SponsoredContent
MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:23 |
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Thank you very much for supporting my stance on this issue.
http://oppositelock.kinja.com/the-jeep-shift…
Aaron M - MasoFiST
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/23/2016 at 14:24 |
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My WRX had them. The drum is inset on the interior of the rear disk. Most cars with four wheel disks have them, actually.
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crowmolly
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
06/23/2016 at 14:25 |
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Your post was the inspiration for the graphic! I was just too slow in photoshop.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Aaron M - MasoFiST
06/23/2016 at 14:27 |
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Weird. I’ve never seen them before and I’ve changed plenty of rotors. I mean, not a huge number, but enough that I’m surprised they’re this common.
Jcarr
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
06/23/2016 at 14:27 |
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The GMT360s have a drum integrated into the rear discs. I’ve always thought that’s an elegantly simple idea.
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MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:28 |
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Good, keep this going!
I can’t believe the FP is missing such a huge teaching moment.
Schaefft
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:28 |
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In an automatic, I’m usually only using the parking brake when on a hill, but only after engaging “Park”. In a manual, I always use it, even at the traffic lights (in the hopes of avoiding warped discs sooner or later). I’m just too used to doing both.
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Aaron M - MasoFiST
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/23/2016 at 14:34 |
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Only car of mine that didn’t have mini-drums was the Bonneville...because the rear was just drums.
spanfucker retire bitch
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:36 |
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If I my car is parked on a remotely noticeble incline, I use the parking brake. Otherwise, I just use the pawl. My parking lot at work has an incline on one edge and I use the parking brake there.
The driveway at the house however has an incline running perpendicular with my tires and an extremely shallow if not downright non-existent one running towards the street, so I just use the pawl there.
xyzabc
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:39 |
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“Only in a Jeep.”
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Party-vi
06/23/2016 at 14:42 |
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Some VWs use a screw piston, some Acuras/Hondas, some Toyotas, and *lots* of domestics. Examples I got from the Amazon page for the Lisle tool included a Ford Focus, a Town & Country, a Chevy HHR, a Saturn Aura...
thebigbossyboss
> Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
06/23/2016 at 14:42 |
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I haven't owned a car with park since 2008. #datmanuallyfe.
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thebigbossyboss
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
06/23/2016 at 14:43 |
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Don't most cars have drum parking brakes?
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Jcarr
06/23/2016 at 14:44 |
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It’s the norm on Mercedes, or at least used to be. Also appears on the sainted Volvo 240.
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thebigbossyboss
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 14:44 |
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I drive a manual so I always set my brake. Although once I came back and y car was in neutral with no brake set. It must have been very flat lol.
Leon711
> MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner
06/23/2016 at 14:45 |
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I support it. Park means it’s the setting you have the transmission in while parked, not the parking brake. That’s known as the Parking Brake.
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crowmolly
> thebigbossyboss
06/23/2016 at 14:49 |
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I had a coworker have his manual car roll into the middle our parking lot. We didn’t know it until a delivery truck was blaring its horn.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> thebigbossyboss
06/23/2016 at 14:59 |
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Seems like that’s the case. No idea how I got so lucky.
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Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> thebigbossyboss
06/23/2016 at 15:06 |
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I would like a manual version of my car. I would like a manual car in general.
Cé hé sin
> BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
06/23/2016 at 15:17 |
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I’ve driven several AMTs and I leave them in gear, just in case.
Speaking of Citroën and semi automatic gearboxes....
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> thebigbossyboss
06/23/2016 at 15:27 |
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See
my post
. Less universal than you’d think.
gogmorgo - rowing gears in a Grand Cherokee
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 15:27 |
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Parking on hills using only park is also particularly hard on the shifter mechanism. Back when I was working in the fleet garage we saw more broken shift cables than damaged parking pawls. We also saw a couple absolutely trashed parking brake pedals because one guy working for us was paranoid about trucks rolling away and absolutely stomped on the pedal, not just pushing it down all the way, but like, pulling his foot back and kicking it... we had to forbid him from driving one of the older trucks because no one made that pedal assembly anymore and we’d exhausted the local junkyard supply.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
06/23/2016 at 15:31 |
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Some of the ‘50s- ‘60s Chrysler pushbutton transmissions were that way, others had a slider to engage the parking pawl. None anything so simple as a position on a lever.
An Edsel was similar, but *did* have a park button.
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BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
> Cé hé sin
06/23/2016 at 15:33 |
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Keeping it in gear doesn’t hurt it, I suppose.
What does AR do?
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Cé hé sin
> BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
06/23/2016 at 15:36 |
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AR?
Il faut apprendre français....arrière, reverse!
The older voitures sans permis - cars you can drive without a licence - said AV and AR - avant et arrière
E90M3
> thebigbossyboss
06/23/2016 at 15:40 |
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I forgot to set mine on a hill once, but left it in third. Got in my car the next day and went to put the hand brake down, and it was already down, I was like damn that could’ve been bad.
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BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
06/23/2016 at 15:41 |
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See, they should have never added the park funtion to the same lever as neutral and drive. Past Chrysler new this, modern day Chrysler just wanted to copy Audis gear selectors, without the failsafe German software.
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BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
> Cé hé sin
06/23/2016 at 15:43 |
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My French has gotten a bit rusty, though I should have known this, silly me.
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Cé hé sin
> BvdV - The Dutch Engineer
06/23/2016 at 15:53 |
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Chrysler and Audi both bought their gearlevers from ZF so far as I know, it’s not just one copying the other.
Note Audi’s latest one:
shop-teacher
> spanfucker retire bitch
06/23/2016 at 17:12 |
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That’s how I do it as well.
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shop-teacher
> crowmolly
06/23/2016 at 17:15 |
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A family friend of mine once dunked his conversion van in Lake Michigan, because he didn’t use the parking brake while launching his boat. The parking pawl snapped.
Eric @ opposite-lock.com
> crowmolly
08/02/2016 at 12:26 |
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This was great oppo. It’s too bad that the average automatic driver would never come here to see it or understand what they are looking at in those pictures.