"Cé hé sin" (michael-m-mouse)
04/22/2016 at 19:08 • Filed to: Diesel
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"Cé hé sin" (michael-m-mouse)
04/22/2016 at 19:08 • Filed to: Diesel | 0
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Just when you thought you had enough of all this, the German government have, according to Autocar magazine, found that this little lot have blotted their copybooks too because at lower temperatures the emissions equipment is designed to be less effective.
Alfa Romeo Giulietta 2.0; Audi A6 V6 3.0; Chevrolet Cruze 2.0; Dacia Sandero 1.5; Fiat Ducato 3.0; Ford C-Max 1.5; Ford C-Max 2.0; Hyundai ix35 2.0; Hyundai i20 1.1; Jaguar XE 2.0; Jeep Cherokee 2.0; Land Rover Range Rover 3.0; Mercedes-Benz V250 Bluetec 2.0; Nissan Navara 2.5; Opel Insignia 2.0; Opel Zafira 1.6; Porsche Macan 3.0 V6; Renault Kadjar 1.5; Renault Kadjar 1.6; Suzuki Vitara 1.6; Volkswagen Amarok 2.0; and Volkswagen Crafter 2.0.
That seems to include just about everybody except BMW, Mazda, PSA and Toyota. Must be nice for VW not to be all alone and to have only two VW badged vehicles on the list.
bob and john
> Cé hé sin
04/22/2016 at 19:13 |
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come on, did anyone ACTUALLY believe that VW was the only one doing this?
Biggus Dickus (RevsBro)
> Cé hé sin
04/22/2016 at 19:16 |
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Emissions equipment doesn’t properly function at low/ambient temps. That is no secret, hence the cold start feature on a lot of cars that is designed to heat up the primary cats.
jimz
> Cé hé sin
04/22/2016 at 19:26 |
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“blotted their copybooks?”
Steve in Manhattan
> Cé hé sin
04/22/2016 at 19:29 |
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Got a link?
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jimz
> bob and john
04/22/2016 at 19:48 |
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In the U.S., yes. The EPA does not fuck around with this stuff. Euro emissions standards and test procedures are so hilariously lax and so tilted in diesel’s favor that it’s going to be hard to prove that any of the automakers were actually “cheating” per se and not just stretching the rules to their limits.
Leon711
> bob and john
04/23/2016 at 04:43 |
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I said from day one they are the only ones who have been caught.
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Cé hé sin
> Steve in Manhattan
04/23/2016 at 05:35 |
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Klaus Schmoll
> Cé hé sin
04/23/2016 at 08:50 |
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I wonder what’s up with BMW, Mazda and the others. Did they really not bend the rules or did nobody bother to test their cars yet?
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Cé hé sin
> Klaus Schmoll
04/23/2016 at 15:18 |
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They tested a lot of cars so maybe they’re just better.
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Cé hé sin
> jimz
04/23/2016 at 15:20 |
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Interestingly, Mercedes have been accused of the same thing in the US (ie dirtier when cold) so the EPA don’t seem to be as on the ball as you might think.
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jimz
> Cé hé sin
04/23/2016 at 15:31 |
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right now all there is to that is a class action suit started either by a law firm or some individual who has not yet been identified. I’d wait until some actual substantive information comes out before we start crucifying everyone.
and I wasn’t claiming the “EPA was on the ball” or anything (else they would have caught VW themselves) but that they will bring the hammer down on you if you violate.
edit: besides, all cars (petrol or diesel) are dirtier when the engine is cold; the catalysts need to reach a certain temperature before they’ll actually do their job. If, on the other hand, the accusation is that a fully warmed up Mercedes diesel will emit more in cold weather, then that’s another story entirely. but unless I’ve missed something we don’t yet have the information that would lead to that conclusion.
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Klaus Schmoll
> Cé hé sin
04/23/2016 at 16:53 |
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As much as I want that to be true (especially with BMW and Mazda which I like) it’s hard to believe.