Heel-Toe

"Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras" (jegoingout) 04/13/2016 at 20:50 • Filed to: None

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Excluding repetition, is there any other secret behind learning to Heel-Toe? I can do 4th to 3rd easily, but not quickly, but 3rd to 2nd I’m finding difficult.

I have tomorrow off so I’m going to use the empty school lot to practice

ITR video for your time <3

d15b > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 20:58

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When rolling to a stop, put the car in neutral and practice the heel tap. You won’t have to worry about the transmission feeling all jerky because you’re practicing without the car in gear.

The car won’t be in gear and you will get used to how quickly (or slowly) your car revs. Once you have that down, when going from third to second, pull the shifter towards you, diagonally down after you have blipped the throttle.

But mostly get used to how quickly or slowly your car revs. Put the car in neutral and get used to it!

Good luck!

Nauraushaun > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 20:59

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I don’t think so. Learning to rev-match on upshifts will help. If you can do that, heel-and-toe is just a more complicated technique to apply the same thing to a down-shift.

As for practise I did it during normal driving. While coasting towards a roundabout or corner on an empty road, when it didn’t matter so much if I messed up my braking a little. Easier than making dedicated trips to an empty parking lot.

Bytemite > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:00

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You place a cup of water in your cupholder.

Then you drive faster than anyone else while still keeping all the water in the cup.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:01

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Heaaaaaad, shoulders, heel and toe, heel and toe.

Sneaky Pete > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:04

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Some cars are easier than others...I could heel-toe my Mustang (into a crowd of innocent bystanders) pretty easily. My Fit and Viper are much tougher...it always ends up herky jerky because I have a hard time maintaining the same pressure on the brake pedal while hitting the gas pedal.

d15b > Nauraushaun 04/13/2016 at 21:07

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This. I had to get used to rolling my ankle while coasting to a stop.

Rev matching is probably the first thing he should learn from a stop. If he can “catch” the shift, he’ll get it down sooner.

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:07

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Master rev matching as you coast first before you try it with the added complexity of braking. Then try blipping the throttle while in neutral and braking, to learn to keep your brake pressure steady. Then add the two and bam!

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Nauraushaun 04/13/2016 at 21:10

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well in all fairness the lot is 20 feet up from my house. I practice on roads when i go to and from work as well

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > d15b 04/13/2016 at 21:10

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it’s a Honda k20, so it revs as fast as i can blink

whoarder is tellurium > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:15

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My observations:

Keeping the orientation of your foot straight and position of your foot on the brake pedal is very important.

Also, I find that actually applying the brakes hard enough to put the brake pedal at (or lower than) the level of the gas pedal will help transition. Simply putting around while doing light brake pedal work just isn’t the same.

Of course, this means trying it at higher speeds (like in the braking zone before corner entry on a racetrack) and lots of things can go wrong, especially on public roads.

d15b > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:29

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Stock flywheel?

Like I said, practice the foot roll. You might want to learn how to match-rev first.

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:31

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Wait till you try 2 to 1 lol.

First step I think is learning the gear ratios. You can do this practically anytime while driving. When downshifting, just clutch in, while shifting you blip the throttle and then put it in gear without braking. Or just observe how far the revs change while up shifting, that sort of thing.

Nauraushaun > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 21:44

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Cool :D

Nauraushaun > Sneaky Pete 04/13/2016 at 21:45

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I agree. My MR2's pedals are very very close. My old 300ZX were far apart, very different foot action.

Urambo Tauro > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 22:14

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In my car, the brake pedal is much higher than the accelerator. Really, the only way I could perform a heel & toe downshift would be to jam the brake pedal HARD. But that’s not how I drive on public roads. So I don’t.

Instead, I just do rev-match downshifts. I blip the accelerator a little to facilitate gear engagement and smooth out my driving. And honestly, that’s good enough for me.

Are all cars like that? Does heel & toe always demand hard braking? I guess it makes sense in the context of racing, where you’re slamming on the brakes before turning a corner...

djgreenlava > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 23:11

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I've never been able to heel toe with the Si. It feels awkward probably from the floor mounted throttle.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > djgreenlava 04/13/2016 at 23:13

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I’m having more trouble with the touchy brake pedal at the moment

djgreenlava > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 23:16

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Are there high end pads on there? I might just be used to it and not even think about it now.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > djgreenlava 04/13/2016 at 23:20

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Not to my knowledge. There is just no pedal travel. I can tap my brakes and come to a halt

djgreenlava > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/13/2016 at 23:25

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http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/mechani…

A link about adjusting the pedal if it becomes an issue. I wouldn't read any forum posts from the past few years. The members went way downhill with practical knowledge.

F40LM > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/14/2016 at 05:27

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It’s all about learning your car, each one is different.

MonkeePuzzle > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/15/2016 at 11:27

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the right shoes. obviously big clunky shoes are hard to heel toe in, boots up your ankles are hard too, and the soles on my winter shoes have too much grip to pivot on the pedal.

very much enjoying the video. a nice clean and simple R, very tasteful.

MonkeePuzzle > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/15/2016 at 11:28

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lol “bang for buck” argument was fail. If it were an Integra GSR I’d agree, but for the type r the prices are way to high. Worth it still, but bang for your buck you can do way better than a type R

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > MonkeePuzzle 04/15/2016 at 11:29

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I have learned very quickly I cannot drive my Si comfortably in anything but my Vans.

MonkeePuzzle > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 04/15/2016 at 11:34

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the perfect shoe. designed to slip across a skateboard. I too am a vans devotee.