Fun Fact of the Day

"JR1" (type35bugatti) 03/21/2016 at 09:55 • Filed to: Honda Civic

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I had no idea the 2.0 in the 06/09 era Civic Si revved to 8,000 rpm. That is very impressive. Maybe these cars are cooler and more fun than I originally thought. What say you Oppo? Is this era of Civic Si an example of Honda at their best or an example of Honda when they weren’t trying?

crowmolly > JR1 03/21/2016 at 09:58

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I always liked them. Transmissions had shifting issues from what I remember and were finicky with fluid.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > JR1 03/21/2016 at 09:58

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I’ll tell you Friday when I, hopefully, am driving one home :D

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > JR1 03/21/2016 at 09:59

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I like the engine. I’d like it more in the back of an MR2.

If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent > JR1 03/21/2016 at 09:59

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The Civic R of that period hit 9k.

jkm7680 > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:01

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Still hate them. Pretty slow and mostly ruined by tuners.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:02

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The dash was cool.

JR1 > crowmolly 03/21/2016 at 10:04

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I have heard about the shifter issue not the fluid though

JR1 > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 03/21/2016 at 10:05

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Exciting! Good luck!

JR1 > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 03/21/2016 at 10:05

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I still hate Toyota for making those anymore

JR1 > If only EssExTee could be so grossly incandescent 03/21/2016 at 10:06

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They didn't sell those in the US though did they?

JR1 > jkm7680 03/21/2016 at 10:07

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Slow sure but the sound of that engine is outstanding! Also you can't blame the car for the people that buy them

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > crowmolly 03/21/2016 at 10:07

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Correct. 2nd and 3rd gear grind was a notorious issues; the latter of the two being fixed by Honda

yamahog > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:07

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Unfortunately I have nothing but bad associations with this generation of Si because I interned with a guy whose parents bought him a brand new one and he was a total spoiled shitass. Both about the car and other things. Like seriously said my parents didn’t love me because they couldn’t afford to get me a car less than four years old. I’m the only one allowed to talk shit about my parents, buddy!

JR1 > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 03/21/2016 at 10:07

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See I'm the exact opposite. I like the car but I hate the dash

dogisbadob > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:07

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Yeah, they’re awesome! Even better since it was available as a 4-door too. Canadians got even luckier since they got the Si sedan with some more luxury and prestige (CSX Type-S with leather and heated seats).

Steve in Manhattan > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:08

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I want to say the engine in my ‘91 CRX Si revved to 8K, but I cannot be sure. And I have no recollection what the horsepower was, I just remember it was fun.

crowmolly > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:08

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You could correct the issue with non-Honda fluid. I want to say it was an Amsoil blend but it was years ago.

LOREM IPSUM > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:08

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S’more fun facts:

The 99-00 Si’s redline fuel cutoff was 8,250rpm.

The car was gear limited to 145mph, verified by me. You knew you had reached the cars top speed when it started banging off the rev limiter in 5th gear.

16 years later and I still want to Electron Blue Pearl all the things.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:08

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They sound really good though.

crowmolly > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 03/21/2016 at 10:09

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Honda fix did not work. At least in 2010. Maybe they fixed the fix.

interstate366, now In The Industry > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:10

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I wanted one until I test drove one. I was disappointed at how numb it felt compared to my Preludes. Good-looking car in 4-door guise, at least.

JR1 > yamahog 03/21/2016 at 10:10

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What an ass hole. I hate when a spoiled pos says shit like that. Jokes on him though I doubt he has a Camaro 1le or anything half as fun now.

Also I hate that cars are associated with certain kinds of owners. Definitely hurts the appeal of certain cars such as the Si or even things like Camaros/Mustangs

Snuze: Needs another Swede > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:10

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My sister has an 06 RSX-S which is the same car (engine, trans, chassis) just different body work.

I’ve driven it on several occasions and I like it, with a few buts. The engine is fun but not necessarily fast. It’s pretty gutless down low, you have to get it up to like 5k for VTEC to kick in (yo) in order to get it to come alive. That said, it’s got a close ratio gearbox which helps keep it up in the sweet spot. That makes it a fun car to drive hard. Otherwise it’s kind of annoying and the short 6th gear means it’s a screamer on the highway. I also find the handling to be a bit twitchy at the limit.

Overall it’s one of Honda’s better recent cars. It’s like an econobox that’s aspiring to be an S2000, which makes it fun. That said everyone in the family agreed that my WRX felt faster and more planted.

jkm7680 > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:14

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Meh, I never liked the way Hondas sounded.

Especially when a horrible ricer exhaust accompanies the car.

JR1 > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 03/21/2016 at 10:18

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They do sound fantastic

JR1 > jkm7680 03/21/2016 at 10:18

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The ricer exhaust never sounds good

JR1 > LOREM IPSUM 03/21/2016 at 10:20

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I think the 90s was when Honda was probably at their best in terms of cars

RazoE > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:20

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They only had like, 12 lb/ft of torque, though.

JR1 > Snuze: Needs another Swede 03/21/2016 at 10:22

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I figure if you are driving on the back roads and on the twists and turns you are likely in that 5k plus range anyway. And I figured it would be a screamer on the highway but if it still gets 32mpg highway I think I would be able to live with it.

For a front wheel drive car the handling being twitchy doesn’t exactly surprise me.

JR1 > dogisbadob 03/21/2016 at 10:22

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Every country besides the US seemed to be able to get cooler Honda Civics. Not sure why they think the US wouldn’t want an extra hot Civic

JR1 > Steve in Manhattan 03/21/2016 at 10:23

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I think the 90s was Honda’s peak era of fun

JR1 > interstate366, now In The Industry 03/21/2016 at 10:23

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The Prelude was always a really good looking car I though

JR1 > RazoE 03/21/2016 at 10:23

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Yeah but it still would be fun to rev out that engine I bet

Snuze: Needs another Swede > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:39

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You’re right on the first count, its a fun backroads car, just watch that handling. That’s how I know it’s twitchy. I was bombing down a favorite road of mine. I was by no means going 10/10ths but I was definitely going harder than I should have, probably in any car, but especially one that isn’t mine. Anyways, there’s a little dip on the right edge of the road in this one part as you come out of a fast right hander and setup for a slower left hander. All the other cars I’ve run down this road have handled it fine. The RSX did not like it. Nothing terrible happened, but it did enough slipping and sliding to forever back me off in that car.

JR1 > Snuze: Needs another Swede 03/21/2016 at 10:41

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Really? Good to know

interstate366, now In The Industry > JR1 03/21/2016 at 10:43

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I have a friend who has an 8th gen Mugen Si and a 5th gen Prelude. He says the Prelude is more fun to drive, the Si has a better aftermarket, and that they’re a push power-wise.

I’ve never liked the 2-door 8th gen Si. The back end just looks weird to me.

Little Black Coupe Turned Silver > RazoE 03/21/2016 at 11:00

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Meh. I have a friend with one, only has an intake and exhaust. And it just dynoed at 199/142, on a Mustang at that.

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > JR1 03/21/2016 at 12:35

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Oh wait, my 4AGE already revs to 8000 and my Blacktop revs to 8500!

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > JR1 03/21/2016 at 13:00

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They’re fine as long as you think of them as a moderately-fast Civic and not an actual sports car. My RSX had a similar motor that would rev to 8600 but even then it felt like it was trapped in a reverse time warp relative to anything with real power.

JR1 > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire 03/21/2016 at 13:03

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That is a good way to look at it. So you think it is a different tier than say a Genesis coupe?

RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire > JR1 03/21/2016 at 13:13

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I haven’t driven the Genesis coupe, but it definitely feels a big step behind anything I’ve driven with a turbo (GTI, Fiesta ST) or more cylinders (Infiniti G37, BMW anything).

That said, I put 125,000 miles on that car and nothing went seriously wrong, and I occasionally think about getting an 8th/9th gen Civic Si sedan as a daily driver.

JR1 > RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire 03/21/2016 at 13:24

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If I were ever to get one it would definitely be DD. I would want something for fun for the weekand

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > JR1 03/22/2016 at 00:48

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Tachometers go that high?!

JR1 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 03/22/2016 at 07:36

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Not in many cars

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > JR1 03/22/2016 at 09:34

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But revving 7 liters to 7000 is better.

JR1 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 03/22/2016 at 09:36

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I agree but you can’t do that for under 8k

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > JR1 03/22/2016 at 09:47

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It’s worth it.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > JR1 03/22/2016 at 09:57

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It’s so ugly though.

JR1 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 03/22/2016 at 10:19

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I don’t think it is ugly. I think unremarkable is a better word to describe the Civic Si. Same could be said for most fun economy cars.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > JR1 03/22/2016 at 10:29

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There’s not enough distinction between the slope of the hood and the slope of the windscreen. It’s just kinda weird.

JR1 > Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To 03/22/2016 at 10:57

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Hey now you could say the same thing about almost every Lamborghini

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > JR1 03/22/2016 at 12:58

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The FD Civic’s K20 was a high point for Honda. The redline is high and the VTEC cam change is bonkers.

The K20 was gutless below the 5000 rpm-ish VTEC trigger, so it’s understandable that Honda later went to the K24 iVTEC for drivability and wider appeal.

Of course, the FD Type R never made it to the US but it was even crazier with an 8600 rpm redline.

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > jkm7680 03/22/2016 at 13:02

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Stock, or with an OEM Mugen exhaust, they sound great.

Anything aftermarket is way too boomy down low, and advertises more than what the car really has.

JR1 > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 03/22/2016 at 14:27

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It seems that engine is just a small masterpiece in an otherwise discreet vehicle

Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever > JR1 03/22/2016 at 14:49

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Such is the definition of the Honda Civic. Half of a Ferrari’s sound for relatively little financial commitment.

JR1 > Chan - Mid-engine with cabin fever 03/22/2016 at 16:34

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And the fact that you get to row through three or four gears at WOT when getting onto the highway seems very appealing to me

NJAnon > JR1 03/22/2016 at 21:00

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The Spoon Civic had its engine revving to 10,000rpm. I’d take the Spoon Civic but not for the reasons you think.

But I would be iffy about being impressed. That Si engine may have had that one cool charateristic, but the rest of the car has to match. And Honda, simply putting “DOHC” on the bottom bumper won’t cut it. Thats just like Ford putting “MUSTANG” on their bottom door half of their Mustangs.

JR1 > NJAnon 03/22/2016 at 23:02

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Spoon? And I know the rest has to match. The handling is pretty good I thought?

NJAnon > JR1 03/22/2016 at 23:32

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https://www.spoonsports.eu/spoon-products…

Spoon has done some cool stuff to S2000's as well. I just don’t take Honda’s factory offerings to heart really after the 90's. You had to rely on aftermarket so people wouldn’t joke that the torque used to screw the cap on a Mountain Dew was more than a Civic’s.