When does the world decide

"Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo" (rustyvandura) 02/23/2016 at 16:53 • Filed to: None

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...that enough is enough and make Li’l Fat Kim go away?

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ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 16:59

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Listen when he wants to talk.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/22/pol…

TheHondaBro > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:00

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North Korea won’t do a thing. The moment a North Korean warhead detonates in another country, the rest of civilization will burn them to a crisp quickly and effortlessly, and Kim Jong Un realizes that.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > ttyymmnn 02/23/2016 at 17:08

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If he really does want to talk.

ttyymmnn > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:09

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Maybe he just wants to eat. One look at him and you know where all the food in NK is going.

My citroen won't start > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:11

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They are far from a threat and even if they were, not state has the right to step on another’s sovereignty.

scoob > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:12

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How do you ask “WHAT ARE THOSE?!” in Korean?

Master Cylinder > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:14

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Honestly, knocking over a nuclear state is probably something best left untried. We don’t even manage all that well with non-nuclear states. Well, unless you only count the knocking over part. Putting them back together after hasn’t worked well at all, though.

Preferable in my mind to somehow get China on our side in terms of shutting off their support for Lil’ Kim. Better than the huge loss of life that would come from trying to kick in their door.

ttyymmnn > scoob 02/23/2016 at 17:17

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As the father of three boys, I got that reference.

ttyymmnn > scoob 02/23/2016 at 17:18

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Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Master Cylinder 02/23/2016 at 17:31

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Good point, well stated. I think it’s the specter of millions of starving North Koreans from a failed NK that nobody wants to face.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > My citroen won't start 02/23/2016 at 17:32

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Perhaps, but what about when NK decides to up and sink a South Korean warship?

Montalvo > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:36

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I think we are waiting on his own people to eventually turn on him and eat him. Li’l Fat Kim has a BMI high enough to sustain half of his country.

My citroen won't start > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 17:45

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They did that already. No one wants a war over there, not the Koreas and especially not China, so constant economic sanctions and ever increasing military demonstrations are what’s on the menu.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Montalvo 02/23/2016 at 17:47

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We may be waiting a while. The life expectancy of a top-level official seems to be about a hot second.

Hot Takes Salesman > My citroen won't start 02/23/2016 at 18:04

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Bruh

Manwich - now Keto-Friendly > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 18:20

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I wonder what he looks like in a T-shirt.

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 18:23

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China will never let North Korea collapse, because NK is an incredible strategic asset. China has a paranoid and completely militarized speed bump between them and South Korea, which is the only land route that the West could use to attack into the heart of China.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Manwich - now Keto-Friendly 02/23/2016 at 19:00

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Isn’t it enough for you that he’s already in his pajamas?

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 19:01

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But why would the west ever want to to that ? Capture China’s smog?

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 19:08

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You’re not thinking like an old-school Communist. The West always wants to invade, they just need you to let down your guard!

BorkBorkBjork > Master Cylinder 02/23/2016 at 19:17

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If it’s the nuclear war part you are concerned about, don’t be. North Korea does not have the military prowess to protect their nuclear arsenal from a first-rate military. The US Air Force and Navy could easily knock out any launch system on the ground before they ever had a chance to field it, and their command and control structure would be destroyed long before anyone could possibly give an order to use such a weapon.

North Korea’s true deterrent is, sadly, that any invasion would lead to the largest humanitarian crisis ever, and South Korea would likely have to deal with the majority of it (and they absolutely do not want to) .

China is another concern. We saw how they reacted to the threat of simply having a western power on their borders during the Korean war; they pushed 400,000 troops across the border and shoved the UN forces back to the 38th parallel. They would likely get involved again, and in much the same way.

Master Cylinder > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 19:19

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Yeah, even if we could somehow just make Kim and his whole despotic government disappear without any bloodshed, NK would be a huge clusterfuck that no one in their right mind would want to touch.

Master Cylinder > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 19:25

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Yeah, NK’s arsenal doesn’t exactly keep me up at night, but nukes are still nukes. Could we be 100% sure we could knock them all out in one strike? Even if we could, NK has so much conventional weaponry aimed at SK and vice versa that huge loss of life is basically guaranteed if shit ever got real.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 19:36

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Old-school communist or Reagan-era Republican?

ranwhenparked > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 19:37

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The best thing would be for some top KPA generals to just kind of bump him off and replace him with someone else (or, keep him where he is as a figurehead, and wield power behind the scenes). The North Korean government falling would create far more problems than it would solve, particularly for South Korea.

HillarysTechnicolorWardrobe > My citroen won't start 02/23/2016 at 19:51

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Exactly. As terrible as he is it’s not legal to nuke the country in order to prevent NK from possibly nuking another country in the future.

It’s the whole Minority Report dilemna. You can’t punish someone for a crime they haven’t commited yet. There is always a chance that they won’t commit the crime, which would make the punishment unjust.

BorkBorkBjork > Master Cylinder 02/23/2016 at 19:52

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We could knock out their delivery systems on a first strike, that’s guaranteed. The only problem is if they have a nuke hidden away on a truck, that could still do some damage. But this is a communist police-state, no soldier would use a weapon like that without direct orders from Command, which could be neutered in minutes.

HillarysTechnicolorWardrobe > Master Cylinder 02/23/2016 at 19:55

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Exactly. Starting a war would cause a lot of damage on both sides.

The only way to be absolutly sure that all of their nukes are knocked out during a first strike would be to flatten the whole country during that first strike. Which would be immensely cruel to the innocent people who live there and have no way of overthrowing their government through peaceful or violent means.

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 19:58

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When it comes to invading communist countries, nobody beats the Democrats (Kennedy in Cuba and Vietnam {also LBJ}, and Truman in Korea).

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 19:59

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Can you really count Cuba?

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 20:07

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You kinda have to, even though it was the right thing to do. Too bad JFK didn’t support that operation more forcefully, that failure (combined with all of the Looney Toons-esque ways he tried to assasinate Castro) led to the Missile Crisis

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 20:10

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Do you favor the current “warming” of US-Cuban relations?

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 20:16

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Not particularly. It’s more of a publicity stunt than anything. Not sure its going to do anything more than economically prop up that regime, which will do little to benefit the Cuban people.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 20:22

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Dog gonnit, I wanted to think that something good was actually going on in the world, or at least something useful . What line of work are you in?

BorkBorkBjork > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 20:53

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Engineering/Consulting. I used to dabble in Defense work, and may be going back there soon.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/23/2016 at 21:43

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Chinese foreign diplomacy has always been to get outsiders to fight their battles, thus getting the US to fight Japan for them.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BorkBorkBjork 02/23/2016 at 22:57

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Civil engineer or uncivil? I’m a 7th grade math teacher in the San Francisco Bay Area.

BiTurbo228 - Dr Frankenstein of Spitfires > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/24/2016 at 07:04

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Not unless there’s money in it. That seems to be the main reason behind ‘the world’ stepping into conflicts.

66671 - 200 [METRIC] my dash > BorkBorkBjork 02/24/2016 at 20:08

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According to a Foxtrat Alpha article though, China is considering imposing sanctions against NK, but don’t take my word for it.

OperationCrossroads > BorkBorkBjork 02/27/2016 at 20:14

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The deployment of PGM-19 “Jupiter” missiles to Turkey in 1961, within striking distance of Moscow, is actually what led to the Cuban Missile Crisis. Sure trying to kill Castro probably made him more receptive to having nuclear missiles in his back yard, but the Russians forward deployed those missiles in response to our aggression and our missiles were removed from Turkey as part of the deal that brought an end to the crisis.

Dave > BorkBorkBjork 02/28/2016 at 04:28

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Any military action on Chinese mainland would not be about capturing resources. The Chinese leadership is afraid of politically/ideologically motivated military pressure (rather than invasion); which, to be honest, is completely feasible.

If there was a large scale revolt against the ruling party, would it be difficult to envision foreign powers helping out the dissenters with boots on soil? Of course not.

This is what the paranoia is about.

Beef7up > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/29/2016 at 03:31

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Oh really? So the communist didn’t invade us? Seems that every fucking college and university is now filled with them, every public school is practically Marxist education and Hollywood is bordering on Soviet sympathies.

Communists were smart, they came in through the schools not the borders.

Beef7up > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 02/29/2016 at 03:32

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Get a room guys...