"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
12/12/2016 at 07:59 • Filed to: None
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"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
12/12/2016 at 07:59 • Filed to: None | 3
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Even the pre-power bump used models. Would love to see the two in a comparison test since they are the same weight class.
LongbowMkII
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:05 |
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I would hope so for at least $10,000 more. It’d be embarrassing if it wasn’t.
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Wobbles the Mind
> LongbowMkII
12/12/2016 at 08:15 |
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Yeah boi! Same gap between an ST and RS. Best part is that a used 2015 GLA45 is getting down to $43,000 list price. Exciting times are ahead!
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:17 |
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In a straight line until the overboosted engine that’s only designed to last for the lease period goes, maybe.
FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:28 |
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I approve of this message despite my hatred for crossovers.
valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:33 |
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Like so many things in life this does come down to manual or not? And that tips it in favour of the Ford for a lot of people.
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Wobbles the Mind
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/12/2016 at 08:40 |
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Which one are you talking about?
kiwi_matt
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:41 |
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The GLA45. I’d be worried about the long term reliability of that engine.
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:42 |
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Plot twist, it isn’t.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:45 |
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The Merc. It puts out more power from less displacement, runs at an extra 5 PSI, and the company doesn’t have the reputation for quality that it had 25 years ago, though some people still think that German Engineering is going to override German Accounting. I also don’t trust DCTs yet.
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Wobbles the Mind
> valsidalv, reminding you that infiniti is an option
12/12/2016 at 08:51 |
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I don’t know, Im still in the camp that not all manuals are great manuals, especially in newer cars. Now that its a novelty/meme everyone gives any and all of them a pass.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 08:52 |
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I agree with you about manuals, but alot of it also has to do with just how overboosted clutches are these days. Putting a stiffer pressure plate in makes a world of difference.
Tekamul
> FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
12/12/2016 at 08:57 |
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Have you been up next to one? It’s a crossover in name only. They are tiny. It is the same size as a mazda3, save for the width.
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Wobbles the Mind
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/12/2016 at 08:59 |
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I don’t know, I feel like I can say the same thing about any automaker with a boosted four over 20 psi at peak. Personally I would trust a computer and two-clutches to handle peak boost better than the foot of my own adrenaline addicted self.
Tripper
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:00 |
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Agree. I almost didn’t even TD an S3 because no manual. Now if you said I could swap it for a manual, I’d tell you to keep it.
nafsucof
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:02 |
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I mean only in acceleration straight line but handling the rs is leagues ahead
gawdzillla
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:07 |
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no. stick shift > auto-tragic
i dont care what the nurburgring time slip says
Vicente Esteve
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:09 |
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Audi RS3>Focus RS
I base my arguments on sound alone.
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Tripper
> Vicente Esteve
12/12/2016 at 09:17 |
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Really hoping that these aren’t priced to the stratosphere as RS models often are because I want one when they get here.
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Wobbles the Mind
> nafsucof
12/12/2016 at 09:18 |
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The Focus RS is tested on Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tires! Have you seen what’s on the Porsche 918 and 991 GT3?
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:21 |
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For some reason I thought the 2.3 was out longer than it has been so figured it had more miles to find long term problems. It’s still less boost than the Merc though. I though it went back at least five years at this point, but I guess not. While user error can easily burn a clutch out, it’s just a clutch. It’s simple, it’s a design that’s been around for as long as the car, many people can do it in their driveway, and it doesn’t mean a whole new very expensive transmission for the car. From what I can tell, the GLA requires transmission maintenance every 50k miles that costs more than a new clutch at 100k+. It’s also pretty slow gearbox for a DCT to boot.
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Vicente Esteve
> Tripper
12/12/2016 at 09:26 |
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I am expecting close to 50k base, which is a lot for a hatch but then again it is all the car you will ever need.
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nafsucof
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 09:47 |
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Yeah I have. I daily drive a more aggressive tire all summer long. On tests with the pilot super sport the rs still pulls .99gs. The tires are available on the market. If Ford who intends the rs to be driven on tracks, sells them with those tires shame on Mercedes for not using them on their superior car.
Are you saying the only reason both of those porsches handle well is because of those tires as well?
DipodomysDeserti
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 10:18 |
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The manual in my Wrangler sucks. It’s still much more fun to drive than a autobox Wrangler.
The manual in my ‘63 Corvair reeaaaallllly sucked. It was still more fun to drive than an autobox Corvair.
The autobox in my wife’s BMW is absolutely fantastic, fast, and buttery smooth. I’d still rather drive it with even a shitty manual.
Fun cars should be fun. You’re not collecting any meaningful winnings beating the guy next to you to a stoplight or going out for a track day.
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DipodomysDeserti
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 10:19 |
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If you screw up, you can easily replace your clutch. Not so with the DCT.
Chasaboo
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 10:23 |
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Do you think anyone has gotten one of these for high 30s yet?
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Wobbles the Mind
> nafsucof
12/12/2016 at 10:29 |
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Tires make the car. The RS is using the same formula as the Z/28, world beating tires and enough engine to move them. Once cars are pushing Trofeo R levels of aggression with tire changes that cost over 3% of the MSRP then you are a gimmick.
Textured Soy Protein
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 10:58 |
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I dunno if I’d chalk the handling advantage of the RS up to only tires. It’s got a better awd system.
The GLA has a Haldex awd system, which has improved over the years, but it’s still an “on-demand” awd system. It’s now capable of sending power rearward in response to cornering rather than waiting for the front wheels to actually slip but it’s still a fwd based system that sends power to the rears at certain times only.
The RS has a GKN Twinster awd system that can over-drive the rear axle and vector torque side to side across that axle. Real torque vectoring, not traction-control trickery. It’s still a power takeoff unit system like Haldex and doesn’t have a center differential, and there are certain times it’s fwd only. But overall it does a much better job of sending power to the rear wheels and has the added benefit of sending more power to the outside rear wheel in cornering.
Similar tires on both cars and you’d still have the awd advantage to the RS.
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FSI - alcohol enthusiast with a car problem
> Tekamul
12/12/2016 at 11:09 |
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Yes I have and personally, I think it’s no real crossover either but there’s also the A45 AMG, so...
I don’t really get Mercedes’ product planning.
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Wobbles the Mind
> Textured Soy Protein
12/12/2016 at 11:18 |
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But is that advantage large enough to promote the merits of the Euro Focus that’s eating all the hype or doesn’t it push my point that there is a CUV cheaper than a Macan and has performance so far outside its segment that I need the greatest hyper hatch in the US on 911 GT3 tires just to move ahead of it?
I’m not saying the RS isn’t awesome, I’m saying the GLA45 is being completely overlooked for how bonkers and effective it is. It’s something special.
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Textured Soy Protein
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 11:37 |
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Granted I’ve only read about the GLA but from what I’ve seen it’s a great motor attached to a somewhat mediocre driveline. Part of the appeal of most bonkers awd performance cars is that they have particularly tricky awd systems. Mitsu Evo, Subaru STI, Nissan GT-R.
A half-step down from these are systems without front LSDs and slightly less tricky center diffs, like the Audi quattro + sport rear diff, BMW xDrive + torque vectoring, Porsche torque vectoring, Subaru WRX with mechanical center & rear LSDs.
Next step down from that are systems with no front or rear LSDs but still with a starting front/rear torque split.
There are several (mostly from VW like the Golf R, TTS/TTRS, S3) that have Haldex systems and the knock against all of them is that they have Haldex. Not that they can’t be fun but it’s just not the same.
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nafsucof
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 14:42 |
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. You can’t just throw sticky tires at cars and not mess up dynamics. These cars handle really well and are setup for track use. The spring and damper rates are set for the tires. The camaro has crazy DSSV dampers. Hardly a gimmick. The rs as the videos show is great in snow with snow tires too.
Point being with better tires (contisportcontact 5p tw:240) the Amg has lower lateral acceleration(.93gs vs .99gs)than the focus rs (pilot super sport tires tw:300)
So even with out the gimmick tires its a better handler. The turn-in is faster and the car rotates better with less understeer.
Kanaric
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 17:52 |
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Super expensive car, get last generation’s haldex.... which is inferior to the new system in a Golf R or the system in a Focus RS.
Not the same compairsion. The Merc doesn’t come close. It’s like comparing the Golf R a generation ago to the Evo X. The haldex was updated to make sure there wasn’t such a disparity and this AMG car doesn’t use it.
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Kanaric
> Wobbles the Mind
12/12/2016 at 17:53 |
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Ya and the merc has the old Haldex. If you put equivalentt tires on both cars the difference would still be there.