"cletus44 aka Clayton Seams" (cletus44)
12/07/2016 at 15:43 • Filed to: None
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"cletus44 aka Clayton Seams" (cletus44)
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are acting like loosening emissions and fuel-economy targets for cars sold in America will bring back dirty big-blocks that spew unburned hydrocarbons. They’re morons.
We already have 6-7L V8's that make twice the power as their 1960's predecessors and do it while achieving amazing mileage and burning cleanly. It’s actually amazing how good new engines are. Relaxing the environmental standards won’t make a new wave of performance cars or anything. It just means that every single shitty compact car driven by someone who just wants to get home will now pollute multiple times more than cars currently do.
I own a 1970 Corvette. I know pre-smog cars rule and I’m hardly an environmentalist. But when I hear about deregulating CAFE standards I just get nauseous. We have cities like LA with brown air and we’re going to tread backwards? My head.
PS9
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 15:53 |
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Meanwhile on Trump’s twitter:
“Hater cletus44 just mad he didn’t win the election like I did. Sad!”
“Unbelievable bias comming from oppositelock. Totally unfair!”
“We don’t need to protect the environment because it doesn’t exist. EPA: Liberal scam lining Al Gore’s pockets!”
“Oh yeah, @algore, we’re still on fot that meeting, right?”
The Crazy Kanuck; RIP Oppositelock
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 15:55 |
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Your Vette is more green in a way. You recycled it.
jimz
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 15:57 |
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it’s like they don’t realize that cleaning up engine emissions and increasing performance have come hand-in-hand with each other. We have such stonking performance now because engine management is so precise.
an example I like to use is that in 1970, a 302 cubic inch carbureted V8 making 400 horsepower would be a shaking, barely-idling, lopey, pain in the ass to drive on the street. in 2016, we have a 302 cubic inch V8 under the hood of every Mustang GT which makes 400+ horsepower all day, every day, and is practically smooth as silk from idle all the way up to its 7,000 rpm headline.
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cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
> PS9
12/07/2016 at 15:58 |
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Absolute gold. 10/10
duurtlang
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 15:59 |
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Unlike what many perceive, the United States doesn’t exist in a bubble. New tech designed to increase efficiency and reduce emissions will still be developed, and as long as it’s cost-neutral it will trickle down to US market cars as well.
I assume Americans will gravitate towards even heavier vehicles and the automatic increase in fuel consumption associated with extra weight. I do wonder what’ll happen when the prize of oil goes up significantly.
LongbowMkII
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:04 |
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It would allow high revving small n/a engines. Let’s see the FA in the 86 rev to 9k. SOMEBODY CALL YAMAHA
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cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
> duurtlang
12/07/2016 at 16:05 |
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“I do wonder what’ll happen when the prize of oil goes up significantly”
Probably invade a country
HammerheadFistpunch
> jimz
12/07/2016 at 16:05 |
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...that also emits less and burns much less fuel.
E90M3
> duurtlang
12/07/2016 at 16:06 |
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Get a job back in oil and not care that it costs $60 to fill up cause it’s like I’m paying myself. It hurts so good.
That said, I doubt we will see high prices for years. Shale oil has become the swing producer. I think production companies had it down to two weeks to go from a field to a completed well, meaning drilled, cased, cemented, logged, fracked, and clean out. That’s down from something like 4-6 weeks before 2014.
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jimz
> HammerheadFistpunch
12/07/2016 at 16:09 |
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yep. a 1970 car (even on unleaded) will leave your eyes stinging if you stood behind it for too long.
S65
> jimz
12/07/2016 at 16:12 |
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Every time my uncle would drive his ‘63 Impala he would reek of gas for days
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:15 |
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The 50 mpg goal was never supposed to be met as written. It was meant as a first offer in negotiations. If The Donald knew anything about the art of the deal, he’d know that.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:16 |
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I hear you got some tar sands up there...
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> jimz
12/07/2016 at 16:17 |
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Why do you hate America, bro?
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LongbowMkII
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:22 |
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Maybe some backwards oil rich country like Canada.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> LongbowMkII
12/07/2016 at 16:23 |
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Have you heard about the stranglehold on maple syrup production that the cartel has there? Know that they make people learn French? I think they could use some freedom.
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cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/07/2016 at 16:23 |
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I know that the OEM’s and the EPA play a constant game of setting goals and then revising those goals but through this back and forth, cars have progressed incredibly far and faster than ever before.
DipodomysDeserti
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:25 |
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Relaxing US emissions won’t do anything because auto makers want to sell cars in China. China will be tightening emissions standards over the next few decades because they believe in science.
That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:26 |
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If you want to save the environment by buying a car, buy a used car. I seem to recall hearing, back when I sold Toyotas, that the creation of a new Prius actually pollutes more than driving an old vehicle for years. Makes sense, since at least at the time the materials for the batteries were made in America, sent to Japan to be made into batteries, sent back to America to be made into battery packs, sent back to Japan to be put in the car, which was then sent back to America to be sold.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:29 |
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Yeah, but they didn’t meet the original goal either. IIRC the original Obama-era proposals were 32 mpg by 2012 which was then dropped to 27. Near as may as well be 55 mpg by 2025 seems a bit much, and I’d have expected mid 40s to have been the negotiated average. But then The Donald.
Future next gen S2000 owner
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 16:37 |
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This won’t work completely. When the EPA was created, California carved out an exemption for itself where it can set its own air quality standards. So manufacturers will have to meet California air quality standards regardless of what Trump does.
There used to be two sets of car emissions and was more prevalent in the 1970's when emissions regulations were just getting started. California cars were down on hp and other cars were only legally sold in certain states.
Also, individual states have the ability to adopt California air quality standards as their own. I think about ~5 have done so.
So Trump could eliminate all the EPA regs, California could up theirs and all the states could adopt the California regs and there isn’t any thing Trump can do about it.
California has mentioned several times they have no intention of reducing their standards. For ease and cost reason, I don’t see manufacturers going to two emission setups for cars.
fintail
> duurtlang
12/07/2016 at 16:38 |
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Frack more, annex Canuckistan, force Youropeans out of private cars altogether (although many in the traveling circus going between Brussels and Strasbourg would no doubt support it - for others, not for themselves, because of course).
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LongbowMkII
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/07/2016 at 16:39 |
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Not only that but they’re led by a communist sympathizer. We cannot wait.
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LongbowMkII
> Future next gen S2000 owner
12/07/2016 at 16:57 |
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Bosch has some programming that might be just what manufacturers would look for.
My bird IS the word
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/07/2016 at 17:32 |
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I get the worry that eventually they will hit a tech wall, but the have been doing well this far so I’m willing to give cafe a shot.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> LongbowMkII
12/07/2016 at 17:51 |
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They were trading with Cuba during the embargo. Surely that’s grounds for war.
MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
> E90M3
12/07/2016 at 20:50 |
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This is what a lot of people don’t realize. Shale oil is quick and cheap to set up so as soon as they are profitable they pop up again and keep prices level
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LongbowMkII
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
12/07/2016 at 20:51 |
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We’ve done more with less.
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E90M3
> MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s
12/07/2016 at 21:20 |
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That and the backlog of drilled but uncompleted wells (DUC) is staggering. This oversupply problem is nowhere close to going away.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> LongbowMkII
12/08/2016 at 07:47 |
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#Make1812HappenAgain
simplebychoice
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/08/2016 at 09:02 |
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You say “I’m hardly an environmentalist” but you’re advocating for not polluting the environment. This is literally what being an environmentalist means — caring about the environment. It’s nothing to be ashamed of.
gmporschenut also a fan of hondas
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
12/08/2016 at 23:43 |
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with a bunch of family in Pennsylvania, I dont want things to go back to way they used to be. I have friend that has his water shipped in after GE polluted the ground and to ship water in for his neighborhood was costing $$$,$$$ vs the $$,$$$,$$$ to cleanup.