"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
11/30/2016 at 08:41 • Filed to: Speculations
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"Wobbles the Mind" (wobblesthemind)
11/30/2016 at 08:41 • Filed to: Speculations | 3
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I’ll jump straight to it. There are two lines of RWD platforms being used by Genesis and Kia. You have the K-Platforms which are descended from the Genesis Coupe and the H-Platforms which are descended from the Genesis Sedan. I took some time and think I’m closing in on what future styles, engines, and pricings these Genesis and top end Kia models will enter the US with over the next 3 years.
Here are the platform designations I’m using to create engine, weight, pricings, and so on:
Hyundai Genesis Coupe - BK
Kia GT Sedan - CK
Genesis G70 Sedan - RK
First gen Hyundai Genesis Sedan - BH
Kia K900 - BH-L (VI)
Hyundai Equus - VI
Second gen Hyundai Genesis Sedan/Genesis G80 - DH
Genesis G90 - “DH-L”
We can see that “K” denotes the Genesis Coupe platform, “H” denotes the Genesis Sedan platform, and “I” is just shorthand for extending the H platform. Genesis has stated that the G90 is on a platform exclusive to Genesis and that their midsized SUV will be built on the same platform. They also stated that the G70 and a compact SUV will be built on the same platform. Genesis has also stated that the 3.3T V6 will be exclusive to Genesis as well.
K-Platforms
3,000 lbs to 3,800 lbs range
RWD (AWD coming)
2.0T 4-Cyl (274 hp / 275 lb-ft) and 3.8L V6 (348 hp / 295 lb-ft)
Missing turbo V6 (likely 3.0L or 3.8L). No V8s.
Focus price range of $25,000-$45,000.
So we can now guess that the Genesis G70 Sedan, Kia GT Sedan, and Genesis Compact CUV will be the models that receive performance focused trims. Basically the next 3 vehicles we’ll start seeing next year will all be second generation Genesis Coupes, which also suggests Kia will have a smallish sportscar coming and that the K900 will not have a successor since that platform is for Genesis.
H-Platforms / I-Platforms
4,000 lbs - 4,800 lb / 4,800+ lbs
RWD and HTRAC AWD
3.8L V6 (311 hp / 293 lb-ft), 3.3T V6 (365 hp / 376 lb-ft), 5.0L V8 (420 hp, 383 lb-ft).
Focus price range $35,000 - $55,000 and $50,000-$70,000 extended platform.
Current/future models are the K900 (which will not have a successor), Genesis G80, Genesis G90, and future Genesis Midsize SUV. If Genesis is building a coupe on this platform then it will be similar to the BMW 6-Series in size and market.
This is also the platform that Lotus assisted with tuning, which means the large sedans have handling composure similar to the large European sedans. So we now know that Lotus just assisted in making the future large cars competitive, they weren’t used to create sportscars.
Future Models - K Platform
Genesis G70 Sedan - 3,500 lbs to 3,900lbs. Same size as 3-Series and Q50
$29,000 (270 hp 4-cyl), RWD/AWD
$36,000 (330 hp V6), RWD/AWD
$43,000 (400 hp V6), RWD/AWD
Kia GT Sedan - 3,700 lbs to 4,100 lbs. Sizing between A5 Sportback and A7.
*Kia is planning to build 60,000 units a year, which means around 800-1,000 monthly sales in the US. For this reason I’m going to assume no AWD will be offered.
$33,000 (270 hp 2.0T 4-cyl), RWD only
$38,000 (348 hp 3.8L V6, replace with 330 hp TTV6), RWD only
$44,000 (400 hp TTV6), RWD only
Genesis Compact SUV - 4,000 lbs to 4,400 lbs. Same size as X3 and Lexus NX.
$33,000 (270 hp 4-cyl), RWD/AWD
$38,000 (330 hp V6), RWD/AWD
Kia “Stinger” GT Coupe - 3,300 lbs to 3,700 lbs. Same size as former Genesis Coupe.
$27,000 (270 hp 4-cyl), RWD only
$31,000 (330 hp TTV6), RWD only
$37,000 (400 hp TTV6), RWD only
Future Models - H Platform
Genesis G80 - 4,200 lbs to 4,600 lbs. Midsize Luxury Sedan
$42,000 (311 hp 3.8L V6), RWD/HTRAC AWD
$47,000 (365 hp 3.3T V6), RWD/HTRAC AWD
$54,000 (420 hp 5.0 V8), RWD/HTRAC AWD
Genesis G90 - 4,600 lbs to 5,000 lbs. Large Luxury Sedan
$68,000 (365 hp 3.3T V6), RWD/HTRAC AWD
$70,000 (420 hp 5.0L V8), RWD/HTRAC AWD
Genesis Midsize SUV - 4,600 lbs to 5,000 lbs. Similar size to X5 and Lexus RX
$46,000 (365 hp 3.3T V6), RWD/HTRAC AWD
$55,000 (420 hp 5.0L V8), RWD/HTRAC AWD
Genesis G80 Coupe - 4,300 lbs to 4,700 lbs. Similar to 6-series Coupe size
$51,000 (365 hp 3.3T V6), RWD/AWD
$63,000 (420 hp 5.0L V8), RWD/AWD
Something is likely coming to replace the 5.0L V8 but nothing over 450 hp and it will still be a V8. It looks as if there are two more turbo V6 engines coming besides the 3.3T in the Genesis cars (likely a 3.0T and a 3.8T). I think there is also another AWD system coming for the K-Platform models but I don’t know what it will be branded as.
That’s EIGHT rear-wheel drive vehicles over the next 3 years. All of them out of S. Korea, half on a sportscar platform and the other half on a Lotus assisted platform. A majority of the lineup averages 350hp and could be priced below a 241 hp, 4-cyl E-Class Sedan. Not to mention all these cars are set to run on 87 octane pump gas, be daily drivers with high feature content and connectivity, no freaking cup tires on your grocery getter, and be cars that handle and ride well (but not event day levels). Long factory warranties, value priced, heavy initial depreciation and incentives, simple interfaces...
There ya go, it really is a big hole in the market between premium and luxury cars. I think other automakers may want to cover that space, especially Acura, Lincoln, and whatever Buick can get out of the Avenir lineup. In fact it’s such a large hole that it’s no wonder GMC sales a majority of its vehicles in Denali form.
mr2gud2u
> Wobbles the Mind
11/30/2016 at 09:16 |
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I would really like to see this happen. The world needs more semi affordable rwd V8 sedans.
Rico
> Wobbles the Mind
11/30/2016 at 09:58 |
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I think you know more about Kia/Hyundai than Kia and Hyundai do.
ZoopZoopLoops
> Wobbles the Mind
11/30/2016 at 10:46 |
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stinger, kia pls.
But your 3300 lbs minimum estimate is unfortunate since they spun it as a lightweight. But I guess that is lightweight nowadays. For a 2-seater concept I hoped it would be smaller. But more like 370z in your estimate is likely.
edit: 2+2 in the concept, so you’re right.
NitrousNick
> Wobbles the Mind
11/30/2016 at 11:49 |
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I love that this is a screenshot from Forza.