"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
11/28/2016 at 13:18 • Filed to: None
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"My citroen won't start" (lucasboechat)
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Is the Rover V8, the rest is hot garbage.
Demon-Xanth knows how to operate a street.
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:21 |
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Don’t forget the batshit insane Indy 500 motors that were only outlawed after MB came up with their legendary one. These suckers were pushing drivers around the track at around 235MPH.
Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:22 |
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Buick 3.8>Rover V8
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:23 |
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Of course the Brits couldn’t have even chosen one of our good V8s. They had to pick the one that was too small and unreliable and that Buick gave up on after three years and then continue using it as proof of “look, we can V8 too” for the next 40 years.
Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:25 |
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This may raise the dead (post) but don’t forget that the Blackbird was started by a pair of Buick racing V8's.
jimz
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:25 |
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*cough*
*snk*
CalzoneGolem
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:27 |
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But 3800 ....
cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:28 |
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OH NO YOU DIDN’T
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:31 |
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Pretty cracking engine once the liner issues are fixed with tophat liners, the cooling improved, the oil pump of a later type used, the passageways in the head fixed, the later large valves used, cam replaced, rocker assembly wear prevented and improved pushrods and springs used, camshaft chain upgraded, head gaskets improved or oldsmobile style heads used - either with ARP studs, pistons and rods upgraded, cam travel issues dealt with, and a couple of other
minor issues
dealt with.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
11/28/2016 at 13:34 |
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Well, I mean, the 3800
was
a V6 nephew of the BOP215 family with slightly less inbreeding.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/28/2016 at 13:38 |
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Buick less “gave up on” and more “well, we fucked up the execution - let’s make an iron V6 and V8 out of it and hope nobody noticed we had a good idea buried under turds”.
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jimz
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/28/2016 at 13:53 |
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it wasn’t that, it was aluminum casting wasn’t as well understood as iron casting; porosity, inclusions, and cold shuts are much bigger challenges with aluminum. GM did a lot of novel stuff back then (aluminum V8, rear transaxles and independent suspension on the Tempest, etc.) but they all cost more and didn’t have any clear reason to buyers why they should buy them.
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SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/28/2016 at 13:53 |
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I really like to think that we gave the Brits one of our shit ones though.
TBH, I think it was a good idea, but utterly pointless in 1960. Who needs to save 100 lbs of engine weight in a 5000 lb Buick? No one. What someone needs is a bigger engine than a 215 that doesn’t require special coolant that you won’t be able to find because it’s 1960 and the internet doesn’t exist yet so you don’t even realize that there’s anything different about it.
djmt1
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 13:55 |
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I want a Rover V8 not necessarily to power anything but maybe like an alarm clock. I love the noise they make especially any that have been fiddled with by TVR.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> jimz
11/28/2016 at 14:07 |
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True, but the lack of clear reason/ongoing profit to be made also meant that several aspects of the Buick 215 that were kind of half-baked were either never fixed or fixed as much as four decades later. Porosity, coolant interactions, and (the big one) cracking blocks from trying to do cast-in liners were all significant, but the execution was a little fractured across the board. Valve train issues, breathing, journal cap design, and oil pump setup are some of the big ones that Rover took a very long time to address.
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jimz
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
11/28/2016 at 14:12 |
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and then they tried turbocharging the damn thing.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
11/28/2016 at 14:15 |
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The particular crack that they may have been smoking was probably that Buick had a long history of eights, so being able to offer a small displacement eight for smoothness in a smaller Buick made all kinds of sense on that front, and since they’d just gone smaller and lighter everywhere else, why not the engine? It wasn’t a 5000lb Buick - it was actually barely half that (~2600lb curb). Remember that this was the light platform family shared in part with the other GM lights (Corvair, Tempest, etc. etc.) - they were trying to make a baby Buick with all the class of the big ones.
This also being 1961, a 215 wasn’t *tiny*. Regard that Ford’s first modern Windsor smallblock in the ‘62 Fairlane was only a 221.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> jimz
11/28/2016 at 14:18 |
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With a fiendishly clever hydrolocking self-destruct, disguised as a turbo cooling/lubing system. At least the Olds 215 has 18 bolt heads instead of the 14 bolters that the Buick (and Rover) got saddled with. The 14 bolters with tin gaskets that pull to one side unevenly when the engine overheats. Which, according to Rover emission strategy of the 80s-90s, is all the time.
benchslap
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 16:28 |
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Demonstrably false.
shop-teacher
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 20:26 |
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Wow. What’s it like to be so immensely wrong?
Nobi
> My citroen won't start
11/28/2016 at 22:17 |
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GSX, GNX, and the 3800 in NA and S/C guise all disagree.
sdwarf36
> cletus44 aka Clayton Seams
11/28/2016 at 22:38 |
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Came to post this. You get to drop the mic.
pip bip - choose Corrour
> My citroen won't start
11/29/2016 at 04:07 |
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old V6's were also good.