"Tripper" (tripe46)
11/18/2016 at 15:07 • Filed to: None | 8 | 14 |
I had this review all ready to go on 9/28 and just as I was about to click “post” I found out that !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . So I figured I’d wait until I was in a good spot to field comments. Friday afternoon is that time.
It’s been almost 16 months since I decided to trade my 08’
E90 M3 in for a 16’ Audi S3. A few weeks before I made that decision I was
never going to drive anything but a 3 pedal M car. That was when I was still on
an extended BMW honeymoon. My first M3 (E46) which I’ve owned for almost 10
years, never gave me any real shit until
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. The E90 was
covered by a warranty for the first two years of ownership, so I had no worries
there either. That was until I started having to use that warranty.
I began hesitantly shopping new STi’s, I had an 04’ and not a whole hell of a lot has changed with them in 12 years. I inquired about ordering one with the low profile spoiler, but my local dealer was less than helpful and just wanted to sell me something they had on the lot. Next was the Golf R, until I found out that I couldn’t have one for over 5 months and could expect to pay over sticker. After that was the M235i, but I really wanted something with 4 doors. I was kind of stuck for a week or so. I drove a new S4, but it felt huge and I was looking to go smaller/lighter than the E90. My buddy mentioned the S3 and I was quick to nix it because it is not available with 3 pedals. I got curious though, mainly because I was having trouble ticking all of the boxes with any car.
So I
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to see
what we knew about the S3, then I headed to a dealer for a TD. After the most
entertaining test drive a sales person has ever taken me on, it was my turn in
the driver’s seat. I was impressed, it felt every bit as quick and composed as
the M3 just without the glorious noise and nearly perfect steering rack. I was
hooked, the only problem now is that S3’s could only be found in the standard
boring Audi colors (black, lots of silvers, and white). We found a red one but
I had a red Jetta that I hated, so I thought that since I was getting a roided
out Jetta, that it should be a different color. Sepang Blue proved to be the
most difficult color to locate. We found 2 limited edition colors (vegas
yellow, viper green) before we found a blue one that I could actually buy. It
was worth the wait as I got a blue one with every option that I wanted (Tech
pkg, LED pkg, stereo “upgrade”, and black optic performance package).
Exterior 8/10
E46 S3
Audi makes the same suit in different sizes as far as their
non-CUV cars go, but it’s a really good looking suit. Proportions are just
right and I love the shaven, tight look of Audi cars. I’m not a fan of the
standard Audi chrome/brushed aluminum exterior highlights, but the black optic
package takes care of all that. Instead of chrome window trim/grille I got
gloss black. Instead of brushed aluminum mirror caps, mine match the body
color. I like the wheels, but I don’t love them a set of silver FF01’s is in my
future. I ended up with black wheels for my winter set, but that was because of
fitment.
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Interior 7/10
Everything inside is nice, but not too nice. As William
Clavey said “it feels more VW than Audi” and it does. I would rather a nicer
material for the dash as well as the sunroof shade. One of my favorite features
of the interior is the ability to put away the infotainment screen. Big screens
are a trend I loathe in modern cars, so being able to tuck it into the dash is
really nice. The seats are good for sports ish seats, but not as
deep/supportive as I like.
Acceleration 8/10
60mph can be had in 4.4 seconds using launch control, which
is really fun. After I demoed launch control for my wife, she asked that I not
do it again because it “tickled her brain” and she was not sure how she felt
about it. However, where this car really shines is 50-70/70-90. So quick passes
aplenty! Turbo lag is slightly noticeable when starting in “comfort” mode, but
other than that the car is out like sauerkraut it pretty much any condition.
Braking 8/10
I use my brakes as little as possible, but I have had to
stand one them once since I have had the S3. It stopped real fast and I didn’t
hit Bambi so they’re good by me. Pedal feel is nearly as touchy as a fresh
Lexus which is good for most and bad for people like my mother in law.
Ride 8/10
The performance package nets you magnetic dampers which were
a must for me as I had become used to them in the M3. Most of the time I leave
it in comfort mode as the ride is really nice, not S class nice but Audi nice.
In “dynamic” mode the suspension hardens and body roll is barely noticeable.
Handling 9/10
Two of my close friends have S5’s, in which I have had more
than a few drives. While I never really had a thing for Audi’s I was always
impressed with their tenacious grip. Just flying around turns jerking the wheel
here and there, only to stay right on track with almost no noise from the
tires. The S3 is no different. While under normal driving conditions the S3 is
pretty much FWD, when you’re on it you would never know. If you need proof,
it’s the rear wheels that occasionally chirp when launching. In dynamic mode with
your foot on the gas, it feels every bit as planted on all 4’s as every Subaru
I have driven. The only thing keeping this score from a 10 is steering feel. In
comfort mode steering feel is artificially light, and in dynamic mode it’s over
the top heavy…standard for electric racks (BRZ is quite good though). That and
the fact that I have driven a few cars that are hard 10’s in this department. I’m sure that you can get this car to under steer near the limit but I’ll never see that limit outside of a racetrack.
Gearbox 9/10
That 9/10 was funny to type as I had originally written off
the S3 because it only comes with paddles. In the world of automatic
transmissions 1=SMG 1 and 10=PDK the DSG in the S3 is a firm 9. In comfort mode
it shifts smoothly and early to avoid punchy throttle response. In dynamic mode
it holds gears long, and downshifts for you. However, the best way to do when
you’re out for a spirited drive is manual mode. Shifts up and down are lighting
fast and its pretty much impossible to drive this way without making your own
shifting/laser sound effects.
Audio 6/10
I’m on record hating on factory “upgraded” stereos. I
have sensitive ears and aftermarket is almost always the way to go if you’re
after good sound. However, I knew going into this purchase that I would likely
not go the aftermarket route, and only listen to compressed tunes via my phone
anyway so I might as well get the “upgraded” stereo. It’s ok but nothing special.
Side note: The S3 has one of those noisemaker things hidden
in the dash in attempt to make the car sound more aggressive. I have tried it
at full tilt, low tilt, and unplugged. It does not sound vastly different so I
left it plugged in. I knew I would be disappointed in the sound anyway going from an S65 V8 to a 4cyl turbo.
Toys 7/10
I like the big sunroof, it’s got a backup camera, shitty
nav, and a not that great infotainment system. This is the area of a car that I
care the least about. Once nice thing about the stereo setup is that all of the
legacy components are hidden. Aux is in center console, CD and SD slots are in
the glovebox which makes for a really clean control panel.
Value 8/10
The S3 has a starting price of $42,500 (good luck finding
one under $46k). The most expensive one I saw was a loaded S3 with an
individual color (nardo grey and it looked fucking amazing) for $62k. The
sticker on mine was $51k and I paid slightly less. Most people would argue that this is not a good value
as you can have an STi or Golf R for a lot less. For me though, it’s a great
value! It’s everything I wanted minus a manual trans, and now that I have owned
it for a while I wouldn’t trade it for a 3 pedal model if you offered. I did
the “boy racer” thing (Nissan SE-R Spec V, WRX, STi). Since then I have been
after cars that are more “suited up”. The Golf R is a reasonable compromise as
it’s a lot nicer place to be than the STi, but it’s not as nice as the Audi and
it still has a little of that “racer” vibe in my eyes.
78/100
In conclusion, I’m more happy with the little Audi than I thought possible as I was mostly a Bimmer guy. It’s got tons of usable performance and it is a blast to drive. I don’t know whats next, but I’ve got my name on the list to at least drive the first RS3 that becomes available at the dealer where I bought the S3.
P.S. I apologize for all the trash pics, but they’re all I’ve got. Here’s a decent on of my handsome doggo.
Arrivederci
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 15:26 | 1 |
Great write-up! After reading Jalopnik’s review of the S3, I started looking at what CPO ones are fetching and they’re not too bad. A decently-kitted one can be had pretty easily under $40k. Once they’re plentiful in the mid-$30k range, it’ll be quite a lot of car for the money.
Tripper
> Arrivederci
11/18/2016 at 15:30 | 0 |
Yea the used market will be a good one here. They had a 2015 with 20k on the clock when I bought mine, and wanted $45k and were not budging!
Dave the car guy , still here
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 15:42 | 1 |
Congrats, looks nice. So how are you feeling now that you’ve partially left the Dark Side? You know once the Force has a hold on you there is no going back. I was a GM or Ford guy for years then got my first Audi. Its been almost 18 yrs now and being I work in a GM dealership I’ve caught a lot of crap over it. However nobody ever says a word when I can get through any snowdrifts in our lot during winter. Many of those days I’m one of the first to work. Please report back later when you’ve driven it in the snow. I’ve had Jeeps with full time and part time systems as well as Torsen and Haldex AWD cars, want to hear your take on its weather worthiness.
Tripper
> Dave the car guy , still here
11/18/2016 at 16:03 | 0 |
Haha. With the direction that BMW has gone in recent years, I’m happy to be in an Audi. Everything I loved about Bimmers has been glazed over by their version of electronic steering, deletion of their fantastic straight six, and the plethora of poopyfart CUV models like the X1. Not to mention the now gross overuse of the M badge.
I’ve still got my E46 M3, and it’s my bottom bitch;) so when I need to row my own or enjoy what made me love BMW’s of that vintage, I can do it.
It’s a blast in the snow! I can’t get it to just spin circles like the STi could, but it’s scary easy to drive fast in the snow. Luckily I’ve already learned the hard lesson of overconfident driving in the snow. I’ve been really impressed with both the DSG and the Haldex system.
Textured Soy Protein
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 16:09 | 1 |
I think the active suspension is definitely the way to go on these. A coworker has an S3 with the base suspension and while everything is screwed together nice and tightly so there’s no rattles, it’s stiff . My E92 335xi with a bunch of suspension mods rides better than it although some of my hardened bushings and shock mounts and whatnot make some noise and my interior is a bit rattly.
Tripper
> Textured Soy Protein
11/18/2016 at 16:12 | 0 |
Agree. A lot of people are under the impression that active suspension is for more performance, when it’s really to tune it down. I like how stiff it is in “dynamic” mode, but I love being able to turn it off when I’m just cruising or on a shit road.
Dave the car guy , still here
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 16:14 | 0 |
Nice to hear you have found a warm spot for Four Rings in your heart. We have now had 3 A4 with Torsen and now my 08 A3 with Haldex. At some point for my older platform I might upgrade the controller. I will say when getting out of deeper drifts at work when its snowed all day that the old Torsen systems had more immediate grunt but the Haldex still gets the job done however it seems with a minor delay. With a set of snows either system turns these cars into tanks. I too questioned whether I’d like the DSG but quickly became a convert. On a back road I have a feeling it brings out the Speed Racer in all of us.
BTW, sorry to hear about your loss. Hope his family and yours find peace in remembering the good times you had together.
Textured Soy Protein
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 16:22 | 1 |
My Koni FSD shocks kinda sorta accomplish that mechanically. It’s still a firm ride but compliant.
Tripper
> Dave the car guy , still here
11/18/2016 at 16:26 | 0 |
Yea the Torsen system especially with the sport diff, is the winner of the two. However the Haldex is no slouch, and I’ve got dedicated summer and winter wheel/tire sets. So snow depth will stop me long before traction.
My father had an SMG E46 M3, so I was really skeptical about the DSG, but it’s great there is no denying it.
I appreciate your kind words. He was a good dude and is always remembered in high spirits.
Tripper
> Textured Soy Protein
11/18/2016 at 16:28 | 0 |
Whats the deal with the FSDs? Are they adjustable or just a different design?
Textured Soy Protein
> Tripper
11/18/2016 at 17:34 | 0 |
They FSDs aren’t adjustable, but they have blow-off valves in them so they stay stiff in response to body roll but go soft on sharp impacts. I’m running 235/35-19 front and 275/30-19 rear tires, B&G lowering springs, and assorted harder bushings & shock mounts, so I tried to preserve some of the ride comfort with the FSDs.
Tripper
> Textured Soy Protein
11/18/2016 at 17:35 | 0 |
Gotcha, that is a neat design!
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> Tripper
12/31/2016 at 01:28 | 1 |
I can’t believe I missed this post! Great stuff. Sorry for your loss as well.
That color is wonderful.
[insert complaint about no S3 hatch]
[insert complaint about missing pedal]
[insert reminder that it’s not like I could afford one anyway!]
Tripper
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
01/03/2017 at 10:17 | 0 |
Thanks man.
If a hatch was offered here, I probably would have gone for it. Normally I’m a sedan guy, but the S3 is short and better suited to a hatch.