"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
11/10/2016 at 12:07 • Filed to: None
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"OPPOsaurus WRX" (opposaurus)
11/10/2016 at 12:07 • Filed to: None | 0
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how do you ask for a raise? I’ve been here for a while and its past due. I’m nervous about doing this. Its just a shitty conversation to have. I’m going at it half because I think its earn and half because I need some more damn money.
stupid alternative:
if he can’t give me the raise I want, what other things can he do that would help me? One thing I was thinking was a company car basically because I thought it could be written off as a company expense but thats just in my head I dont know if that actually works that way.
S65
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:12 |
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Get a Race Car, advertise on that. Can you write off a Race Car as a company car?
LongbowMkII
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:14 |
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Only ask for what value you bring to the company. research what others in your industry is making, do you have any new skills or awards?
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:14 |
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I’m not a wealth of knowledge and experience, but the best times I’ve negotiated a raise was during a promotion, an evaluation, or during a department transfer.
The last time I stormed into my boss’ office (five years ago now) and asked for a raise, he said he’d give me a 50 cent raise if I stopped talking. I don’t recommend it.
f86sabre
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:17 |
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You need to make an honest evaluation of how you are performing. If you can clearly, without a doubt, say that you have progressed then you should be ok to ask for more. Go in with a list of accomplishments and be able to detail how those accomplishments have brought value to the company via increased revenue, decreased cost on increased profitability. Bring numbers as much as you can.
Example:
This last year I completed project X which decreased your costs by $40000 a year. I also have increased my through put by 15%.
Good luck
Party-vi
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:19 |
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Do you perform any driving for you company? You should request mileage reimbursement if you’re driving a personal vehicle to and from jobsites on your dime.
Wherever I’ve worked (from gas stations to general contractors) I’ve always had a yearly performance evaluation, and they were usually tied to an increase in pay. Have you received a raise in the last year? Two years? How long as it been? Your boss may very well think you’re fine if you haven’t asked for a raise.
I would not recommend asking for a raise based on your personal situation, but I would recommend making a list of accomplishments at work and bringing those to their attention. You should just ask when they have a moment to talk to you, and then ask if you were going to see a salary increase. They’ll probably ask you why you want a salary increase (fucking really though? You have to ask why?), and you can respond with “XX of days/months since my last increase, accomplishments, customers are happy/asking for me by name, increased sales/contracts, etc”. I’ve had this conversation before, and I have never regretted it.
FYI, accomplishments don’t have to be “I made the company $XXXX”. They can be completing work on time, or having 0 late proposals, or upselling customers, etc.
boredalways
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:19 |
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Once there, search for advice on raises. You won’t be disappointed.
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:22 |
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I would find out what dirt there is on your boss that could affect their life in some way. Cheating on their spouse, conflict of interest, dodgy taxes, something like that. Present that while making your case for a raise. Actually, you can pretty much make that the case for said raise.
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boredalways
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:23 |
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Also this:
DynamicWeight
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:24 |
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Look at what others with your experience in your job in your area are making. That’s first off and that will be a useful tool.
Second, no one gives a shit that you need more money. We all need more money. There are truly pitiful cases out there, but if you have a full time job, you are most likely not one of them. I’m saying this harshly not because I am uncaring, but to get a point across. Whining plays on someone’s guilt, and people avoid those who make them feel guilty.
The way you convince someone to give you more money is to make them aware of your worth. When asking for a raise, point to the things you have done in the past year or so that have stood out. How did you make the company more money than someone younger and cheaper would have in your position? Was it excellent service that will keep customer coming back? New innovations that someone else may not have thought of? Industry specific experience that leads to a higher work output with superior results?
Third, remember that the underlying threat here is that you are willing to take your experience and skills somewhere else that will pay for them. Also, they should have already given you a raise if they we’re intent on keeping you. It is not you who is in the wrong for asking, it is them for ignoring you for so long and forcing you to have to ask. You’re not going in asking for a favor, you’re reminding them of their end of the bargain and that they have been lacking.
Go fucking get em! GET PAID.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> Party-vi
11/10/2016 at 12:28 |
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its just me and the boss, so there are no set standards.... for anything. I think the biggest accomplishments have just been becoming more efficient in what I do. I’ll have been here for 1 yr on Dec 7th. He offered to discuss a raise after 6 months and I stupidly said it should be when I get my arch licence thinking I could do it in less time. I’ve had a hard time getting the licence and I don’t think it would be fair at this point to make me wait. also none of this was in writing and signed. I dont drive much., maybe once every month or two. I just thought that would be a huge cost reduction on me and maybe a easy way for him to help me out without actually increasing my income.
mtdrift
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:32 |
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In my experience, the best way to approach this is to set up a meeting, and then come prepared with:
b) a list of all the really great and indispensable stuff you’ve done for the company since you started
a) your payroll history, and the fact that it hasn’t moved
c) have a number in mind, just asking for a “raise”won’t get you far. An extra $4.00 an hour? An extra $7k per year? Whatever, but start high because this is a negotiation (unless the company has rigid rules for salary adjustments), and be willing to compromise.
In general, good managers want to keep good employees happy, and they understand that raises are part of that equation.
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Party-vi
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:35 |
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It might be less expensive for him to pay you more than to purchase, register, and apply a $1M umbrella policy on a new company vehicle.
If he offered to negotiate 6 months in, and you suggested to wait until you got your license, I would start there. How far away from your license are you? You could start the conversation with “when I started, you had mentioned discussing my salary 6 months in, and I had stated I would like to get my arch. license before then. I have XX months to go before the license, but would like to ask if we can revisit the salary discussion now.”
I’ve only ever gotten one out of cycle (aka before 1 year) pay increase, and that was discussed when I was hired. I still don’t think it would hurt to ask for a raise, but I don’t think you should be asking for a company vehicle. AAA says the annual cost to operate a vehicle is about $9,000. Honestly I would rather have that as a salary increase instead of a Prius or Accent to drive around in.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> DynamicWeight
11/10/2016 at 12:36 |
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I agree, ‘i need a raise’ is not justification for a raise. I wasn’t planning on using this as a point to receive a raise. My need for a raise is is motivation for me to get off my ass and go get it. Hopefully my performance is the justification for him to give it to me. My need for a raise is things such as my town raising taxes and the baby that will be born any day now.
do you know a good site to look at for salary info? Its just me and the boss here so I have no peers to discuss this with. also on that point, it is just me so I do all the production. If I just left he would be SCREWED.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> Party-vi
11/10/2016 at 12:41 |
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haha see i had no idea on the cost. I figured it would just be a few hundred a month for insurance and lease or whatever.
Yes, I would take $9k over that.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> S65
11/10/2016 at 12:46 |
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good idea, probably not feasible
cazzyodo
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 12:48 |
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My gf did some research on what she could get elsewhere and brought it up during reviews, I believe, so it was an easier conversation. Glassdoor may have some insight, salary.com is a thing, payscale, etc. A search for salaries would give you a bunch that you can create a range out of. Then, take the experience you’ve gained into consideration. If you’re under the industry average, it becomes a conversation of legitimate living adjustment. If you’re appropriately compensated but stagnant, bring up how your work has expanded but your compensation has not.
Data, man. Data to back it up! Good luck!
DipodomysDeserti
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 13:52 |
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Straightsix9904
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 14:30 |
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You’ve got some great advice in here. But here is a bit more. Never threaten to leave when asking. This puts them in a defensive mode and it starts out the conversation heading the wrong way.
I would mention that you’ve become more efficient and you’ve built relationships that are beneficial, or something to the effect. But go in comfortable and confident and look him in the eye. Don’t act like you don’t deserve it.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> Straightsix9904
11/10/2016 at 15:08 |
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I wouldn’t threaten to leave, i’d be fucked he he said the doors to your right, don’t let it hit your ass on the way out.
FTTOHG Has Moved to https://opposite-lock.com
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 16:00 |
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I don’t know how accurate it is, because it is basically just crowd-sourced, but glassdoor.com is the place where people review companies they have worked for and list their position and wage/salary while they were there.
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DynamicWeight
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 16:52 |
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As head gaskets said, glass door is the only one I know of. I didn’t realize it was just you and the other guy. I guess you may want to tone down what I said half a notch (but JUST HALF!) since you must obviously work very closely with this person and I assume have a very close relationship with them.
I guess the only way I would change my advice is to use “we” a lot. Emphasize that you see the two of you as a team, a team that is working really well together. That you are dedicated to your relationship (“just look at all I have been doing for it!”). And that as a heavily contributing partner you are owed a larger slice of the pie.
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OPPOsaurus WRX
> DynamicWeight
11/10/2016 at 18:22 |
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It’s a actually a very frustrating relationship. He’s often busy with 1 specific project and I don’t get the help I need. It’s almost like we both operate independently but he is still supposed to be making the decisions on my projects but doesn’t have the time to do so. I’m learning and getting better but there is still a lot I need to learn. Doing a hotel or 15 unit condo build is hugely different than a house which is what I have all my experience in.
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DynamicWeight
> OPPOsaurus WRX
11/10/2016 at 19:00 |
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All the more reason to start expressing how much you see your relationship as being part of a team. Rather than arguing it, just state it. Express your gratitude for his help. Never hurts to build up your superior while building up yourself. “Look how valuable you’ve made me!”
Also, great to hear you’re getting different experience that’s similar to what you already know. That’s a sign of a good job imho.
As an aside, how have you communicated to him that you aren’t getting the help you need? Is it possible to set up some official bit of time on a recurring basis for you to get the instruction you need to complete your job? I hate how true this is, but giving people “general” complaints like “you don’t help enough” doesn’t change behavior. Try asking for specific things, like “Every Monday, at 9am, let’s get together to discuss my priorities and address any questions we might have”