My only political post.

"BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather" (bugeyedacura) 11/09/2016 at 16:03 • Filed to: None

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But this is exactly how I feel. I used to consider myself a moderate, or a “log cabin Republican” at the most right I could muster. However, the intollerant tolerance shown but the left over the last few years has pushed me all the way over.

citizennick > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:10

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This is basically what I’ve been wanting to put into words. Thank you.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:15

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When will white men quit feeling victimized?

Half my timeline is “wtf just happened” and the other half is:

To my fellow democrats going to Trump protest events post election— Please stop. The peaceful transition of power is a bedrock of our democracy. You are too late. We have to shift our focus to local legislation...

*actual direct quote

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > citizennick 11/09/2016 at 16:16

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When I saw it, it just resonated.

Party-vi > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:18

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The only problem I see is the “vote against”, as if Trump’s win was majorly fueled by an intense hatred of Clinton. It certainly helped, but there were enough people that voted for the apparent racist, misogynist candidate to make this a near-even race. People voting against Clinton by abstaining, voting for Trump, or voting 3rd party pushed Trump into the lead by a small margin.

That being said, Clinton’s loss was because the Democratic party fucked themselves, both in the primaries, and by resting on their laurels after almost a decade of Obama. Meanwhile, after Romney the GOP got their ground game started, and has been going at it since.

Make no mistake though, if Biden had run Trump would have been the candidate making an early morning phone call to concede.

jkm7680 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:23

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Couldn’t have said it better man.

I’m on the right. I’m not racist, misogynistic, homophobic or bigoted. This is a lot for some to swallow.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Party-vi 11/09/2016 at 16:33

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The largest scoring 3rd party candidate probably took more votes from Trump than he did from Clinton. One of my biggest gripes right now, apart from the whole Trump being president-elect thing, is the 3rd party blaming going on. Hillary would have had to take in nearly all of Johnson’s votes to win, something which never was going to happen.

I’m glad that you, unlike so many others, recognize that the blame ultimately falls to the Democratic Party and Hillary though. They created such a rift in their own party that they likely pushed a significant portion of votes for their party away, either in the form of people not voting or writing someone in. The Stein percentage was never enough to make a difference. I think more of that support simply didn’t show up. They have nothing more than their own choices and poor strategy/candidate selection to blame.

Think about it. They chose a candidate and ran on such an elitist and polarizing platform, that middle America, the “working man” portion of the country, found Donald Trump, the NY billionaire playboy elitist, to be a more relatable candidate. That’s simply astounding.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Milky 11/09/2016 at 16:38

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You realize it wasn’t just white men that voted for Trump, right? If that was the case, he would have been trounced. Instead, Trump pulled 29% of the Latino vote (Romney has 27%), 8% of the African-American vote (Romney had 7%), 42% of the female vote.

citizennick > jkm7680 11/09/2016 at 16:38

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Sadly the loudest people on the right are usually the ones we all can’t stand. So sick of everyone lumping us all together.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Party-vi 11/09/2016 at 16:39

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The Democrats could have run just about anybody against Trump and won. And the Republicans could have run just about anybody against Clinton and won. What was horribly amazing was that they ended up facing each other. And then the Libertarians still couldn’t get to 5% nationally.

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > jkm7680 11/09/2016 at 16:43

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After what has happened throughout the day, I couldn’t agree with you more.

I’m very conservative, yet I just happen to be a Latino 18 year old immigrant college student. I am neither racist nor bigoted as you pointed out about yourself. Out of everything people learn about me, that has been the hardest for most to understand.

for Michigan > citizennick 11/09/2016 at 16:45

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I think that’s really true for both sides.

Textured Soy Protein > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:46

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Democrats could easily still have won while insulting the majority of the Republican electorate if they had also taken the time to inspire the Democrat electorate. Elections in our era of increasing polarization aren’t about being nice to the other side, they’re about energizing your base. The candidate who did that won.

Milky > haveacarortwoorthree2 11/09/2016 at 16:47

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Well aware. Still surprised.

Milky > citizennick 11/09/2016 at 16:48

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But yet thats exactly what this post is doing to all Democrats.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:54

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Congrats on only having straight, white men in your life. Sorry we call threats to the wellbeing of people who aren’t straight, white men threats and attack those who make them.

It really is the fault of those marginalized people, isn’t it?

BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:55

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I’ll be honest here. I’m a very conservative person. I’ve never agreed with most of what the Democrats say or do. I’m an 18 year old college student who happens to be a Colombian immigrant. Ever since last year, people have accused me of being wrong because I’m “white”, so I wouldn’t understand what immigrants or minorities deal with. I moved to this country many years ago not knowing any English whatsoever. I am neither racist nor bigoted. This logic you pointed out is their biggest flaw. I have been labelled a racist and a bigot by many, even though they very well know who I am and where I’m from. Most people my age revert to that strategy when I try to assert my opinions or when I reveal my political stance. Even when I remind them that I am a Latino immigrant whose family moved to this country and became American citizens for a better life, they still go right ahead and call me racist and bigoted without any further explanations or evidence.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 16:58

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The Election that Racism Won. Maybe the Liberals will become less smug. Maybe the Democratic Party will put forth an electable candidate next time.

citizennick > Milky 11/09/2016 at 16:58

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Taking into account oppo last night and everyone’s Facebook feed, this is nothing.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > jkm7680 11/09/2016 at 16:59

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Ya’ can’t vote for Donald Trump and not be any of those things. Ya’ just can’t.

Hot Takes Salesman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:01

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I mean, jeez, they spend all this time screaming at people and then call us the -ists when we respond to being screamed at. They’ll never change.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:02

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I’ve got family in rural Pennsylvania who likely voted for Trump. Family in dead towns overgrown with weeds. Family who dug coal for generations. If they think Donald Trump can do anything for them , I think they are going to wind up being disappointed.

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:03

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First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—  
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—  
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Party-vi > haveacarortwoorthree2 11/09/2016 at 17:04

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I don’t think Sanders v. Trump would be a landslide for the Democrats. I also don’t think Cruz v. Clinton would have gone well for the GOP.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Milky 11/09/2016 at 17:12

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When will liberals quit playing the race card? I have a black friend in my FB that was wrapped up in how racist Trump winning is that he called another one of our black friends racist against black people. Can you fucking imagine playing race card so hard that you play it against your own race? Even Yami Yugi couldn’t pull that off!

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Party-vi 11/09/2016 at 17:18

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I disagree with that. Bernie had a lot of young voters that didn’t vote after he was thrown out at first. I think it woulda changed things.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:21

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Well most often it’s the people on the far end of the spectrum that are the most vocal. you’re doing to people on the left the exact same thing you’re combining about by lumping them all into the same category.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > BlueMazda2 - Blesses the rains down in Africa, Purveyor of BMW Individual Arctic Metallic, Merci Twingo 11/09/2016 at 17:21

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That’s currently the problem with politics in America. There’s no dignity to the system because the second somebody finds out you’re not on their “team” the immediately attack.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 11/09/2016 at 17:22

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As a rule of thumb, Conservatives tend to help those who help themselves. If they want to keep doing the same thing every day and want hand outs to help make things better, that’s generally a liberal mentality.

Neil drives a beetle and a fancy beetle > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:24

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One thing I don’t like straight away is that it assumes by its own nature that those who voted for trump are “ordinary everyday people” and I guess by that line of thinking everyone who is a democrat is a shouter and I guess not ordinary. 47% of voters went with both sides. There’s lots of everyday ordinary people on each side. Even personally, this is the most I’ve written here or anywhere else about the election because I think this tweet actually gets at the heart of why trump won.

I think the emotion and purpose behind it is right(working class, white(I don’t know if you or this person identifies as white but I think most of the people who feel this way are), Americans feel accused of something, when they have not taken an action to wrong anyone else) but I think it falls short of accurately depicting each side of last nights election.

I do think that lower middle class white men(and to an extent women), who consider themselves “good people” feel under attack by predominantly democrats. The line of thinking being something like “I have done no wrong so how am I a bigot.”

The argument from shoutey democrats that’s not coming through or people deny, is that attempts by women and people of color to achieve equality are skewed by many as offensive or special treatment, and people who benefit from the status quo resist. And to many women and people of color who are trying to achieve equality, resistance feels bigoted.

This of course is compounded by too many people underestimating the extent to which they are racist, misogynistic, or bigoted in some way even if they aren’t one of those people yelling awful things that goes viral. To use a fun phrase that popped up a few time in the election cycle, they have implicit biases.

I think the tweet is right that the conversation could be better phrased from democrats but it’s also a tough line to walk. Facts and figures no matter how trustworthy get discredited by idiots, so it often times feels like a bad way to break down barriers.

Side note - I think the 2008/09 economic crash caused by B Clinton and Bush era deregulation is still intensifying these tensions.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PanchoVilleneuve ST 11/09/2016 at 17:26

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The government has screwed all of us to the point that if you weren’t rich with old money, you’re fucked. The fact that liberals continue to separate everybody when really the only thing we can do to make our lives better is to unite as Americans just shows that they don’t really care.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:27

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We call bigots bigots. Maybe they should stop being bigots if they don’t like being called one.

Berang > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:27

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This is like some major crybaby bullshit.

If people calling people racists on twitter were anybody’s reason for choosing a candidate, they should have just stayed home and grown up a little. I mean, seriously? How fucking petty and immature is that?

I can get people voting for Trump because he promised to help people keep their shitty jobs (although how he’s going to do this, is anybody’s guess). I can get people voting for trump just because was the republican nominee. I can get people voting for Trump because he promised them tax breaks. I can get that lots of people voted for Trump for reasons other than him pandering to racists and misogynists. But voting for him to spite people tossing the word bigot around? JFC, is anybody really that fucking dumb?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/09/2016 at 17:28

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I know, #notallliberals, right? But on a serious note, 90% of the liberals on my FB today have been saying that all Conservatives are the things above. That’s an overwhelming majority.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 11/09/2016 at 17:28

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My whole time I was thinking “how do you not find someone to beat Trump?:”

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PanchoVilleneuve ST 11/09/2016 at 17:33

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But the post is saying that most liberals have called conservatives bigots for a while now. Last election, anyone who didn’t like Obama was racist. And that bullshit got spread before presidency was even a glimmer in Trump’s eye. So don’t even start.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Berang 11/09/2016 at 17:36

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I don’t think it directly caused anyone to vote for him, but Last election when people were called racist for not agreeing with Obama pro-choice or pro-federal gov policies, it laid the groundwork to push people out of the middle because they no longer felt welcome. And when people don’t feel welcome, they peek over the fence and that lays the groundwork to full out joint the party.

PanchoVilleneuve ST > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:36

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Keep victim blaming. You’re clearly in the right, here. Those poor little racists, won’t anybody think of the white men?

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:38

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Facebook does bring out the worst in people. that’s why I haven’t checked mine in months.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PanchoVilleneuve ST 11/09/2016 at 17:41

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I’m sorry that I don’t feel as sorry for you as the Democrats do. Maybe next election you’ll be so marginalized by the conservative that they can march you out at one of their conventions and USE you to secure votes. Because believe me, they don’t support you. They pity you. And I would never support a party that pities me.

Berang > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:47

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That’s not making this scenario sound any less petty. It’s not like Obama was calling people racists for not voting for him, so it’s sort ridiculous to hold that against his party. If one’s motivation for voting for somebody is to punish some demographic, instead of to choose the best person for the job of making things work right, that person is just a childish asshole with mental issues. Americans have an unhealthy obsession with punishment.

TheTurbochargedSquirrel > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:50

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They did. And then they conspired against him in the primaries.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 17:50

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A major part of Hillary’s problem is that she has all of the warmth and charisma of a cinderblock.

NostalgicCarLife > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:05

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Let’s be honest here, republicans failed to find somebody better than Trump too. Obviously both parties are seriously broken.

Jonee > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:22

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Both sides are just as guilty of this. Liberals are sick of being called social justice warriors, bleeding hearts, delusional tree huggers, hippies, etc. It was only recently that they seemingly began getting some respect and socially, the country started becoming more progressive. Let us not forget she got more votes than he did. The country is split. Both the left and the right want nothing to do with the other side and that is a problem.

Milky > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:30

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Vocal minority. Liberals know trump doesn’t speak for every republican when he says he wants to ban an entire religion. Just like you should know that person doesn’t speak for every democrat.

and we’ll wait when its not blatantly obvious.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:32

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I think that is a fair, if possibly oversimplified, assessment. I vigorously agree that too much gets handed out to too many people with zero return expectation and it’s been going on so many generations that our society has created a giant group of helpless people.

Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:40

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I will admit that “basket of deplorables” was completely unacceptable and I’m very far left

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > TheTurbochargedSquirrel 11/09/2016 at 18:45

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That is certainly the version of events to which I am inclined to subscribe. A Trump-versus-Sanders election would have been interesting, but Trump would have been relentless and vicious about labeling Sanders as old. Would’ve been tough. Trump is a biblically epic bully.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap 11/09/2016 at 18:46

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There’s been a lot in this race that’s not cool, and I’m talking about from both sides.

PatBateman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:46

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There are people saying ugly things to me on my sister’s Facebook post because I dared to calm their burning hatred and ask them to lower the level of hostility they are presenting towards Trump supporters.

It’s past the point of humor, and that says a lot because I love dark humor.

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 18:47

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You used FB comments to determine who was going to get your vote for president. Jesus fucking christ.

bhtooefr > NostalgicCarLife 11/09/2016 at 19:02

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Saying this as someone who wouldn’t have voted for a Republican candidate in this race (I wanted Bernie, damnit, and I voted for Jill Stein in the general - in a state where Trump got over 50%, so it really didn’t matter)... it doesn’t help that the DNC helped things along to get an extremist Republican nominated.

Jonee > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 19:09

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That’s actually not the liberal mentality. And, again, this is part of what I said in my comment that each side lacks respect for the other side. The idea of economic safety nets is that it helps people who need it. Because many many people do need it. I’ve worked with people on government assistance of some form or another. The vast majority of them don’t want it. It’s not fun. But, they have to feed themselves and their family. They want a roof over their heads until they can help themselves. And this system works for the most part. Some people take advantage of it because there’s always going to be people taking advantage of a system. But, on the ground, welfare, section 8 vouchers, etc. are most often temporary measures that keep people on their feet. It’s not a hand out, it’s a leg up. And that’s nothing to be resentful about.

Rykilla303 > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 19:23

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C. A little of both.

Gotta call a duck a duck when you see one. Doesn’t mean you can’t try and understand it.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > PatBateman 11/09/2016 at 19:24

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The left is so tolerant... As long as you do as they say.

But in all seriousness, people are losing their shit and it’s becoming not okay.

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > DipodomysDeserti 11/09/2016 at 19:25

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No I didn’t. I think you misunderstood...

PatBateman > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 19:28

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I have a few friends that are posting their Pro-Trump digs on FB, some that are Pro-Clinton posting their digs on supporters and Trump himself. Everyone needs to just chill out a little bit. Maybe have a Scotch and a good stick.

Tekamul > Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo 11/09/2016 at 19:29

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They had 8 years of evidence Clinton wasn’t going to help. They rolled the dice, and were going to lose either way.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Party-vi 11/09/2016 at 19:41

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I think Trump actually picked up a fair number of Bernie voters because he was an outsider purportedly trying to change the system. I think Cruz would have killed Clinton in the debates, although at this point who in the hell knows if that even matters.

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 20:08

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People on Facebook kept calling you a racist and a xenophobe because you were a Republican, so you voted for Trump to spite them. What I miss?

BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather > DipodomysDeserti 11/09/2016 at 20:23

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That’s not my Facebook...

DipodomysDeserti > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 20:25

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Yeah, but you said,

“This is exactly how I feel.”

Is this not, in fact, exactly how you feel? Do also think his post is stupid as hell?

For Sweden > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 20:48

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That’s not why Hillary Clinton lost or why Donald Trump won. Donald Trump MAYBE won as many votes as Mitt Romney; probably fewer. Democratic turnout collapsed.

Don’t say you landed a punch when your opponent punched themselves in the face.

TheHondaBro > BugEyedBimmer - back in the Saddle Dakota Leather 11/09/2016 at 20:52

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We call him Sanders.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tekamul 11/09/2016 at 21:17

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Interesting take. Spread the pain around this way.

Party-vi > haveacarortwoorthree2 11/09/2016 at 21:37

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Cruz - the guy that ate a thing that literally crawled around his lips during a debate, would have killed Clinton?

Jonee > PatBateman 11/09/2016 at 22:26

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A lot of people are seeing this as a message to them that half the country doesn’t give a shit about them, and are downright angry at them for no reason except that they’re finally getting to live like “normal” people. So, they’re angry back.

PatBateman > Jonee 11/09/2016 at 23:33

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Have the East and West Coast liberals given a good god damn about Middle America over the last 8 years? You know, “flyover States” where “rednecks, hillbillies, racists, and the uneducated simpletons” live? The answer is not only “no”, but “HELL no”.

In this election, we had - for all intents and purposes - two New York blue bloods running for the highest office in the land. One preached globalization, less domestic energy production/jobs, and openly said that she would put coal miners out of business. The other preached pride in country, bringing manufacturing jobs back to the US, and helping workers get back to what they want to do: WORK.

So pardon me if I recognize that there are two sides to this coin and see the need for civility.*

*not directed at you.

Jonee > PatBateman 11/09/2016 at 23:58

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Yes, because that’s only in appearance, which is definitely an issue. But, the progressive policies of the Democrats would most certainly help those people in the flyover states. It always has in the past, and those states that have Democratic governors, like Minnesota, are doing better than those with Republicans, like Wisconsin. Globalization is inevitable. And it’s corporations leading that charge. Those manufacturing jobs are not coming back. We’re past the point of no return on that front. So, the best thing to do is look to the future, not the past. I get the message all those people heard. The Democrats most certainly needed to make theirs better. I agree they took people for granted. I just think folks need to be better informed about their reality. Which absolutely means people on both sides should stop talking at people. And, that message of pride in country tread a fine line with nationalism which is part of what people on the left are reacting to. Pride is one thing, but nationalism is always dangerous. And, also on that side of the coin were angry tones of sexism and other bigotry. That was there, there’s no denying it. That doesn’t mean that everyone on the right is a bigot, but by electing someone who had no problem with displaying bigotry, it sent a sharp signal to a lot of people. It said, “we’re afraid of you and we don’t like you.”

haveacarortwoorthree2 > Party-vi 11/10/2016 at 08:32

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“would have killed Clinton in the debates” — and yes, he would have. Trump was awful in the debates and that allowed Clinton to be on the offensive the entire time. Cruz is smart enough, prepared enough, experienced enough, and agile enough to have put Clinton on the defensive throughout each debate. Although, as I said earlier, at this point who in the hell knows if that would even have mattered this year.

Rusty Vandura - www.tinyurl.com/keepoppo > Tekamul 11/13/2016 at 17:35

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In retrospect, this is the most cogent comment I have heard anyone make to date on a Trump vote.