UAW Wages

"MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner" (montegoman562) 09/17/2015 at 12:00 • Filed to: UAW, SALARY, GET THAT MONEY

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So I wanted to share some of the discussion and facts about UAW worker wages because of some of the comments on the FP.

New proposed wages are going to be $25 an hour for lower tier and $30 for senior, higher level workers. Apparently that’s not enough money to do a job that doesn’t require higher education. I’m not trying to say that this job isn’t important, or easy. My mother in law was on the line for a lot of years. I’m also not trying to say people working the assembly line don’t deserve a good wage. What I’m trying to say is people focus a lot on “$25” and not on....$52,000 a year, commonly in the midwest which has lower costs of living than the coasts.

So let’s do a little math.

Lower tier: 25x40x52= $52,000. That’s $25 an hour x 40 hours a week x 52 weeks in a year. I do the full 52 because any weeks they aren’t at work are most likely paid time off/holiday pay. Also, remember they get benefits as well.

Higher tier 30x40x52= $62,400.

Now, in the situation with the F-150 plant at the top, we’re in Dearborn, MI in Wayne county. The median household income for Wayne County MI is: $41,504 and for the entire US it’s $53,046.

I’m not saying I want factory works getting paid 10 bucks an hour or something. I’m just saying at a certain point you can’t keep expecting it to go up and you should be thankful for the paycheck you’re receiving, a lot of people would take it if you’re not happy with it.

And again, these jobs don’t require ANY higher education. If you started at a factory at 18 right out of high school you’d be making $52,000 a year by age 26 and you would have zero student loans. It’s not easy work, I get that better than most people after watching my mother in law on the lines. But it’s already a wage that is VERY livable, it’s above average in most circumstances.

Imagine if you had a married couple that both worked on the line. Even at the low wage, that household now has $104,000 a year. That’s almost my wife and I’s combined income and we’ve been in our respective industries for almost 10 years each. She even has graduate school work on her resume!

What are your thoughts guys? At what point are we going to get massive strikes because the auto companies just can’t keep raising wages?

(Median Income Source: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! )

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:03

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Man I need to get on the line at the chicago plant if they start off at 52k a year

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:03

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I thought about being a factory wroker at Sterling Stamping for Chrysler but the UAW’s reputation of hiring the bottom of the barrel mad eme question how that would look on a resume. Plus the volatility of your job sitution leaves a lot to be desired. But if I could’ve worked a shift and taken college courses.......I think I would’ve.

nermal > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:10

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$50-$60k / yr for unskilled labor is fine by me. However, that amount doesn’t include benefits. What type of healthcare, retirement, and other benefits are there on top of that?

Labor costs are factored into the pricing of new vehicles. So, any additional costs will simply get passed on to the end customer. The automakers don’t want to do this, because higher prices can drive down demand.

The other option is driving out the unskilled labor in the manufacturing process, and moving to either automation, or Mexico.

Master Cylinder > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:10

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Right? I mean, shit, I’ve been a lawyer for over two years and I don’t even make $52K/year yet. And no (because I’m sure someone will say I should just be smarter and/or work harder), I didn’t get shitty grades and I’m not lazy.

On the other hand, I don’t begrudge anyone trying to get the best pay they can. Workers have very little bargaining power in most cases - perhaps it’s just that the UAW’s wages are closer to what a person’s time and labor should be worth if both sides came to the table as relative equals. Maybe other industries/occupations could take a page from the UAW book.

In the end, $25/hr, let alone $30/hr, is a good living out here in the Midwest, though.

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:15

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From a guy who spent almost 3 years after a graduate degree never making more than $12/hour, yes it seems like a helluva lot to me.

Yeah, yeah, didn’t know the right people, blah blah. But the point is that compared to most college grads with student loans and all that, the break-even point is probably somewhere in your mid-30s or later. Where’s the incentive to pursue higher education?

I’m all for increasing the trade-based workforce, but excessive wages should come in areas of absolute skills shortage (wait til you see what plumbers and electricians will earn in 10 years) — Not these jobs where they have 100 applicants for every spot because the wages are artificially inflated.

FKA-RacecaR > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:16

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How much of that $25/$30 an hour goes to union dues?

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:17

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My first engineering job out of college with a mechanical engineering degree after 5 years of studying my ass off, was at $23/hr in 2010. I wish I had known that I didn’t need to waste all that time and money on college when I could have made more just going to the assembly line. The ability to practically never be fired for anything you do would be nice too. My friends’ wife worked at HR in a SE Michigan UAW plant, she said he can’t even fire people for threatening to stab someone, all she can do is send them home

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:18

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I see things differently. Henry Ford built the middle class by paying high wages for a hard job. I live in Mount Holly and my father-in-law has been at the Freightliner plant for 30+ years. He’s got multiple health problems directly related to the stresses he’s put on his body over that time.

Instead of attacking the unions who fight for higher wages, why not look at the benefits these high wages provide — more demand for goods and services, more home ownership, and more economic freedom because those people who aren’t working just to survive have the resources to build the American Dream.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > nermal 09/17/2015 at 12:18

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They do get full benefits on top of their 50-60k a year, just like any full time employee would.

Well, everyone gets angry about shipping jobs out of the country, and then claim that getting paid better than median for your region - and the whole country - isn’t enough.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Master Cylinder 09/17/2015 at 12:19

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It sure as hell is a good living in the Midwest.

And I would never, ever say anyone who got through law school is lazy haha.

I don’t think the UAW workers are lazy either, don’t get me wrong, it’s a tough freaking job.

wiffleballtony > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:20

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It took me 8 years, a bachelor’s degree and industry certifications to get to that pay grade. 25 and 30 respectively are extremely generous.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 09/17/2015 at 12:21

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Well said!

I wonder what the median age of skilled trade jobs (electricians/plumbers are a perfect example) is? I bet it’s high.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:22

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That’s insane.

And I have a feeling you’re salary will peak higher than a line worker’s, but you also probably have the student loans to show for it.

wiffleballtony > nermal 09/17/2015 at 12:22

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How much do you think skilled labor should make?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > FKA-RacecaR 09/17/2015 at 12:23

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I highly doubt it’s as much as high as what someone is putting into student loan payments, especially if they got a Masters.

But I will give you the fair point that I do not know the UAW fees.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > wiffleballtony 09/17/2015 at 12:23

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I would concur.

If the median income was 100k a year I’d say they were getting hosed, but it just isn’t.

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:24

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6 years later, yes my salary is much better. But that means no OT (i work about 50-60 hours a week) and then when I travel I’ll work closer to 70 hours a week.

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:25

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How does this compare with non-UAW plants like BMW and Mercedes in the south or Toyota in the west?

wiffleballtony > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 09/17/2015 at 12:26

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I’m sure he deserves every penny he has earned and I’m sure most assembly line workers do. However contrast that to the people who have to eat 60k in debt for an education and still start at 12 an hour, where’s their American dream?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 09/17/2015 at 12:26

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I’m not saying they shouldn’t purse a good, living wage. I’m also (like I emphasized in the original post) not in any way discrediting the difficulty of the work that’s done on the line. It sure as hell isn’t easy.

But their field is well above average for pay in this country, and they will never, not ask for more. It would be different if they came to these negotiations asking for better sick time or vacation days, or better dental care, but no, it’s always asking for more money per hour. Everyone wants a raise, I get that. But you have to be realistic about what a certain job or field actually pays out.

They’re out earning people with master’s degrees in some cases.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:26

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I’m not sure, but it’s a damn good question. I’ll look into it.

wiffleballtony > FKA-RacecaR 09/17/2015 at 12:27

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That is a good question.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:28

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The median private-sector union member made $878 a week in 2011 compared to $716 for nonmembers, a nearly 23% premium. (The premium was somewhat smaller in the manufacturing sector: $836 per week for union members for $780 per week for nonmembers.)

http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2012…

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > wiffleballtony 09/17/2015 at 12:30

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I’m part of that second group, actually. 20k in debt, making a shit wage, and pushing as hard as I can to move forward all while having been engaged in a Sisyphean career path thus far. For people like me, I realize that society made a ton of promises, and then broke all of them.

go to college, you’ll get a good job

no, really, you need to go to college

get a degree. any degree. it’s going to be worth it.

I still have hope, though, that when I finally graduate, I’ll be able to get into a path where my skills and knowledge will be valued far more than they had been in the past.

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:32

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One thing I’ve learned though working in union and non union assembly plants, manufacturing facilities, is that it is always easier to get along with non-union workers. If you known them and BS with them like a daily conversation, they’ll loan you a wrench or screwdriver if you ask. But UAW, I was laughed at when I went to a UAW auto assembly plant and ask for a screw driver to install a license plate. Was told I need to write a work order for that to happen. Good thing I had dimes and quarters with me that day

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:33

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Unpopular opinion time:

I don’t believe in unions. I think they have served their purpose. I believe, in this day and age of increasingly efficient communications, you can still organize well enough to have collective bargining when you need it.

Unions have gone the way of (some) charities (again, some. not getting critical of charities, they’re a big help to a lot of people). Just as a few charities have become little more than a tax shelter, unions now help mainly those at the top.

Besides, 52000-union dues. Or, current wage, without union dues. Or, Ideally, 52000 without union dues.

Also, one of the stupidest things I can think of is REQUIRING someone to join a union in order to work in a specific place or industry.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:33

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They’re out earning people with master’s degrees in some cases.

So?

A Master’s degree is only as good as the demand for the knowledge you earn from it. A Master’s in art history is pretty worthless unless you work in education or you can sell those skills.

Meanwhile, a Master’s in geology can get you into a six figure job right after graduation because of the demand for it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:34

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Wow that’s awful.

Though I will say that linked article above shows that UAW members get drastically better benefit coverage to go along with those wages too. I believe it said 83% healthcare coverage vs 66% coverage.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:35

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Less union dues. Smaller gap than it looks.

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:35

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Unions can do a lot of good, but also a lot of bad. The UAW is the example of the bad when they’re caught drinking and smoking pot on the job, but can’t get fired for it, or if they are they are forced to be rehired. Chrysler Trenton Engine Plant if you’re not familar with the news coverage of it all.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:36

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That's my other beef aboutunions, the fact that it's nearly impossible to fire somebody when they clearly deserve it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection 09/17/2015 at 12:37

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I’m not talking about art history degrees.

MBA’s, etc.

I get it if you take underwater basket weaving in college you’re not coming out seeing 6 figures. But the hit you take to go to college is supposed to be a benefit assuming you’re not in a wacky field. Like I’ve said to others if the median wage in this country was over 100k and they were down at 52k I’d be saying it was BS and they should be paid better. But they’re well above it, especially here in the Midwest.

At the end of the day a standard line worker job doesn’t require higher education and it’s going to get too high.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:39

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Oh, I’m very aware. Perfect example of bad. Someone just told me on here they knew someone in HR that couldn’t get a guy fired after he threatened to stab a coworker.

But I am glad that the UAW got them decent benefits, it’s a hard job and it does take a toll physically. They need that coverage.

450X_FTW > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:40

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everyone needs coverage. fear of going bankrupt from being sick will make you fear going to the doctor

Birddog > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:40

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I think people need to stop associating higher education with higher pay. Usually when that happens someone starts griping about Trade jobs and their “too much money.”

Just for fun..

A Journeyman Plumber makes $47.25/hr ($98,280 per year) after a 5 year apprenticeship. By the third year of the apprenticeship you’re at $50k. And, in some cases, if a kid is smart he or she can sign up as a Summer Helper in High School and earn time toward the Apprenticeship makes ng $13-15/hour.)

I can tell you first hand that it’s not necessarily hard work either.

Do I deserve it? Should it be taken away because I didn’t go to College and don’t have Student Loans?

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > 450X_FTW 09/17/2015 at 12:45

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I concur.

I’m not a fan of the “Canadian” style system, but I think we need to start regulating the gross over cost of items in hospitals. Like when a Saline Solution IV bag costs a grand. Come on guys, it’s salt water in a ziploc!

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:45

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Last I heard we’re pushing in the 50s. Getting people into trades is going to potentially be one of the few saviors of the middle class if we can convince folks to stop feeling like college is necessary.

Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:46

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A lot of the sentiment in this thread is, “They don’t deserve it,” and I disagree. My father-in-law makes about $70k a year, and the people just starting on the line make around $16/hr.

I’m with Pikkety and Saez

I’m with Jens Rushing .

They want us fighting over who has the bigger pile of crumbs so we don’t realize they made off with almost the whole damn cake.

The economy is built from the bottom up. Too many years of Rand and Reagan horse-and-sparrow economics have caused us to be this way.

vondon302 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 12:50

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Just wanted to chime in here. I work in a uaw shop. About 80 percent of the workforce is pretty good it’s the other 20 percent that are assholes. My biggest problem is the uaw seems to fight for that 20 percent that f it up for the rest. Drinking on the job don’t worry we’ll get you back. Sexual harrasment no problem cya in 3 months. Most members know they got it good and work hard at a tough job. We’ve hired a lot of 2 tier workers in the last year. About 40 percent doesn’t last 3 months so it ain’t easy.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Birddog 09/17/2015 at 12:53

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No not at all.

But 5 years of training went into getting to that level. It may be paid on the job training, but it’s training just like my classes were training at Michigan State University. Mine just cost money instead of making it.

Where as someone can be trained to work an an auto line a hell of a lot quicker than that.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > vondon302 09/17/2015 at 12:59

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And like I’ve said I don’t in ANYWAY intend to discredit the level of difficulty of these line jobs.

I’ve watched it take a toll on my mother in law, who doesn’t do it anymore, after well over a decade of line work. She makes less money and is happier.

I’ve also said how I’m happy that they get better benefits through the union than non-union workers.

BKosher84 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:06

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My dad has worked for GM for 37 years (yes, the old fart needs to retire, but he won’t for some reason) in a Powertrain Plant and he made well over 100k last year and he is on his way to make that much again this year........

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Since my three and a half month son has been born (May 28th) my dad has had a total of 4 days off work and has only seen his new grandson three times..... If he turns down overtime, he gets pumped to the bottom of the list to be asked again, and it is VERY hard to get back to the top of the list... So he works his ass off so he can provide for he and my mom and his new grandson (They spoil the hell out of him; They aren’t in mounds of debt either.. I think he’s just scared to retire).

My dad deserves every single penny he makes out of that place, because when I was home as a kid.. My dad wasn’t around a ton.. And it wasn’t because he was a deadbeat, it’s because he worked 2nd shift in a nasty ass foundry providing for my mom and I.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > BKosher84 09/17/2015 at 13:10

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And I don’t in any way mean to discredit your father’s work or his work ethic. Like a ton of his peers he works his ASS off in tough conditions.

I get that.

But at a certain point, we’re going to get a place where only people working at the factory can even afford to buy one of the cars! They’re out earning the average, handily, and the majority of younger people have big student loan debt to fight off.

It’s a difference between higher education jobs vs unskilled jobs. In no way is this a “bash assembly/plant workers” post.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 09/17/2015 at 13:12

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my brother in law is looking like he wants to become a mechanic, (instead of going to college) maybe I should let him know about the earning potential in electrical and plumbing.

Ash78, voting early and often > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:14

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Mechanics could be in the same boat, but I think they still have a steady stream of car enthusiasts propping their numbers up. But nobody wants to clean up other people’s shit. Well, maybe for $150/hr they do...

(last plumber I called was at 10pm and I paid $370 for 20 minutes of work, 2 guys. After hours emergency.)

nermal > wiffleballtony 09/17/2015 at 13:16

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Whatever price they can charge.

Wpro3 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:20

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Through out the comments there is a recurring theme of people burdened with large students debts and hefty monthly payments upset with labor workers making a healthy wage. I know the tension and understand it in my daily life. I am a United steel worker and my wife is a college graduate. I make 4 times the yearly income she brings in, my student/tradeschool debts were under 10k while her’s amounted to over 43k.

I believe the wage uaw negotiated for is fair and deserved. The union went on a raise freeze for a number of years Following the recession. The auto manufactures can afford this. The system having corporations put shareholders and yearly returns ahead of workers is a problem and leading to the income gap.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Ash78, voting early and often 09/17/2015 at 13:20

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yeah that’ll do it.

My dad’s a master mechanic and has been a mechanic since he dropped out of college (I think right around 78/79, so it’s been a while!) . His posted labor rate is now around 90 an hour I believe. It’s provided well for us, but his work ethic is unbelievable and he refuses to work at dealerhips, always runs his own place. That means no company benefits, vacation or sick time.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:23

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You’re missing one key ingredient though, overtime. Its almost always offered, and a ton of people take them up on it. Now we are talking double time, if its a holiday its triple time. I know people who have almost 200 hours of OT already this year, now we are talking big money. Thats at least another 10k and the years not even over. Which is getting really close to where I am at, after 5 years in the field and with a college degree.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Wpro3 09/17/2015 at 13:31

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The system having corporations put shareholders and yearly returns ahead of workers is a problem and leading to the income gap.

100% with you on that part.

I am not saying they shouldn’t make a healthy wage or one they can live comfortably on. At a certain point though, they need to realize that it’s not a skilled trade and shutting down an entire company’s (multiple company’s in the UAW’s case) business to demand higher wages drives the company to manufacturing elsewhere. I think it’s a bit high and if it goes higher in the future, it’s going to be harder and harder to justify.

Like I’ve said to others. If their salary was 52k a year and the median in the area was 100k, I’d say what the hell - pay them better. But they’re above median income for an unskilled trade. (note unskilled doesn’t equate to easy)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 09/17/2015 at 13:33

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One guy told me his dad has 37 years of experience and with all his OT is set to make 100k this year. I mean, good for him getting all that OT but, damn, that’s a lot of money.

wiffleballtony > nermal 09/17/2015 at 13:36

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But that’s not how it works...

Wpro3 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:37

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I don’t agree with the assembly/manufacturing line being a unskilled job.

It’s not a 4 year apprenticeship like I went through for my trade but it’s still a job that requires some thought

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 13:42

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It may have changed, but when I was working at the factory that stamps the bodies for Mercedes in Alabama, it was not a union job. Keep in mind, this was 17 years ago, but we made $8 and hour starting....$8.00/hr let that sink in.I think now it is something like $12/hr. In a stamping facility. One where you would crawl inside the 40 ton presses to clean them by hand. It was dangerous, dirty and thankless work, and guess what, people were lined up around the block to get those jobs.

While I’m not a union guy by any measure, sometimes the dangers of the task necessitate a union. I sure as hell with they had had one there because the things they had us do sometimes were so unsafe that I honestly believe they were borderline criminal. I quit that job and took another gig elsewhere and found my way out to the west coast, but I know those jobs are still there, and if a person is hungry enough, they’ll take them. And guess what? The management of factories like that just view their workers as replaceable cogs in their machine. As long as the workers in states like that continue to let their work be undervalued that way, it won’t change.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Wpro3 09/17/2015 at 13:47

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I’m sorry we’ll be agreeing to disagree on this one.

I don’t see it as a skilled job. If it can be taught to someone within a few weeks, even at a few months to get it down, it’s not a skilled job.

A 4 year apprenticeship is a skilled job. A job with a minimum for a Bachelor’s Degree is a skilled job. A couple months and you’re on your own - not a skilled job.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/17/2015 at 14:04

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8 bucks an hour!? that’s insane.

I’m not necessarily dogging on the union here, but but 30 bucks an hour is pretty extreme.

I’m saying there should be a balance. You’re experience was the polar opposite of a UAW scenario.

FKA-RacecaR > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 14:22

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Don’t get me mistaken, I agree with your whole point.

Sure unions were needed when they came about, and I am thankful for that. But now they seem to be about a “fair” wage when their idea of that is way beyond what a lot of people are making.

From the people I know who are in unions, they do help protect, but a lot of that protecting is of the upper crust union leaders. If they can convince the people under them that they may get $XX/hr increase, then of course they will back them. But what they may not know is the union leaders are getting $X,XXX+ increases.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 14:29

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Yeah. Like I said, I’m not a union man myself, but I get it. Oh, i forgot to mention that at the time, that particular company had the highest employee churn rate in the entire freakin’ state. That should give you an idea of what it was like there.

Wpro3 > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 09/17/2015 at 14:54

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Overtime is the working mans only way to get ahead. I'm at 480hours of overtime since april and still have 3 more months of heavy overtime to look forward too. Sunday double time premium keeps me working so much

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 09/17/2015 at 15:01

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Oh yeah, glad you got outta there man!

Meatcoma > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 15:50

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Also, remember they get benefits as well.

I’m not sure about UAW but when I was a member of the IUOE local to me, our ‘benefits’ came out of our check. We paid x/hour for our own vacation that went into an account, we paid x/hour towards our own health insurance, we paid x/hour that went to our retirement as well. When I quit doing construction in 2005 I was making $25/hour(mind you this job was normally seasonal and based on 7/mo out of the years work). After taxes and the deductions I took home about $14/hour.

Not everything a union does is perfect, but the idea behind them is warranted.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Meatcoma 09/17/2015 at 16:02

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1, I’m not complaining about unions just the current wage level.

2, that’s how everyone’s benefits work. UAW members get 84% of their health insurance covered, that portion that comes from the check covers the other 16%, it’s incredibly common. Retirement is almost always a “matched” plan. So if I give 3% of my check to retirement (arbitrary easy number, 50 bucks), my company will kick in the same amount, so they would also give 50 bucks - now 100 went into retirement.

Paying into vacation days on the other hand jumps out, that’s different. That’s not actual time off that’s buying your PTO.

Everyone has that drop off for taxes, deductions, and benefits.

Meatcoma > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 16:14

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well for a 40/hr week /52week job I agree somewhat. But I ain’t mad at anyone getting more, I’m more mad at myself for not getting myself more.

vondon302 > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 09/17/2015 at 16:34

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Yea I agree with all you said. Just wanted to put my 2 cents in there. There’s better and worst ways of making a living. I just wish the uaw would educate some of these people on how good they got it and let the company’s fire the drunks and thieves.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > vondon302 09/18/2015 at 09:16

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Yep, no one should be invincible at their company.