I hope they triple the fine if someone is pulled over wearing this shirt.

"cesariojpn" (cesariojpn) 08/30/2015 at 17:57 • Filed to: None

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PanchoVilleneuve ST > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:09

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You’ll look great going through the windshield and into the other car with it on. It’s for the most fashionable human-shaped projectile.

Shark-Attack > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:13

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Why? If someone is dumb enough not to wear a seat belt, let them. We do too much to stop natural selection and It’s not like this planet is underpopulated. I would say increase their insurance, but we all know insurance company’s have more than enough windfall.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:16

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This is why seat belts should be neon colors just to clearly see them

But I agree with everyone else. Let them die.

Dwhite - Powered by Caffeine, Daft Punk, and Corgis > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:16

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I never got people that dont.

There is literally zero reason not to wear a seat belt.

Scorpio GTX1 > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 18:17

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The best argument in favour of seat belt enforcement is that idiots who don’t wear seat belts and get hurt or killed are a burden on the economy. It’s not that we really care about these morons, but people dying generally tends to fuck shit up.

Zibodiz > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:20

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yeah, I’m part of the Libertarian “if it doesn’t hurt someone else, let them be” mindset, but that issue aside, I think it’s a cool shirt. Not for driving in, mind you, just for wearing. It’s kinda like this tattoo:

Shark-Attack > Scorpio GTX1 08/30/2015 at 18:20

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Normally I’d say that’s true, but this planet only has so many resources and we’re splitting it between over 7 billion people. I’m honestly almost positive that a lot of our economic problems are stemming from said overpopulation.

Manny05x > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:22

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What if it makes people aware to wear a seatbelt?

zeontestpilot > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 18:24

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$50 for it? They should change more, I say $150. If they are desperate, let them waste their money.

Scorpio GTX1 > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 18:28

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Hmmm, well I think this calls for an experiment. Let’s remove seat belt legislation for 10 years and see what happens!

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Zibodiz 08/30/2015 at 18:30

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I want that tattoo

Shark-Attack > Scorpio GTX1 08/30/2015 at 18:33

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I’m all for it, but it won’t happen because insurance companies will have a fit and line the right pockets

Tohru > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 19:10

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And the government will have a fit because “we have to protect people from themselves!”

ranwhenparked > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 19:14

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If they die, then, yes, I agree with you. The problem is that the safety features in modern cars mean that someone not wearing a seatbelt is more likely to be injured and survive than to die, which means they become a burden on the healthcare system and drive up costs for everyone else. Unless you’re independently wealthy and can self-insure, there really isn’t a way to badly injure yourself through stupidity and affect only you.

Alex B > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 19:19

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And it is not very practical either. You are stuck wearing an ugly T-shirt.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 19:19

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I think the main time its a problem is if they are sat behind someone else.

Shark-Attack > ranwhenparked 08/30/2015 at 19:32

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That’s why I brought up insurance companies. Thats what they’re for right? It seems to me like they collect a lot of money without paying out nearly the same figures.

ranwhenparked > Shark-Attack 08/30/2015 at 19:43

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It works the same as all insurance (car, homeowners, etc) - the companies are gambling that they’ll take in more in premiums than they’ll have to pay out. The more people that collect, the more they have to charge everyone else so that the math still works.

Chuckles > cesariojpn 08/30/2015 at 23:29

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I wonder if they make a RHD version, or perhaps a 5 point harness version.

Rainbow > Zibodiz 09/17/2015 at 17:25

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It does hurt other people, though. A lot. You’re forgetting that these idiots have families and friends.

Zibodiz > Rainbow 09/20/2015 at 12:55

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First off, let me point out that I didn’t intend to get into a political discussion with this. I’m not trying to start an argument, just responding to what you said, and explaining my position.

Anyway, by your logic, you can excuse any overreach by the government. As a far-flung example, are you familiar with the Nazi T4 Program*? If not, here’s an example of part of it; the murder of all Down’s syndrome children. Why? Because it was for the common good. After all, with nationalized health care, the doctors have to give more attention to a disabled individual, which is attention they could have put toward a healthy person who had gotten into an accident. Essentially, the disabled people were robbing the healthier ones of care. It was better for everyone if the disabled were just removed from the equation.

Obviously this is an extreme example, but it makes a point: where do you draw the line? Denying a junkie their fix is a negative action on those individuals. If you can reason that it’s worth it to impose that negative because more people will feel a negative impact if you don’t, then you’re starting down that road towards the T4 program... even if the ‘fix’ is just driving without a seatbelt.

The Libertarian perspective is that every adult individual has the freedom to choose for themselves. Just like unprotected sex with strangers; it’s not in the public’s best interest (after all, lots of diseases are spread that way), but if those involved are “consenting adults”, it’s reasoned that it’s their own business, and they can face their own consequences.

* More about that here: http://hmd.org.uk/genocides/disa…

I should also point out that I always wear my seatbelt. I see the benefits, and would prefer not to die because I didn’t wear mine. I’m simply not into forcing everyone to do things because I believe they’re best. After all, as an anology, how is that an different than religion; many faiths teach that those who don’t convert will burn in Hell. Should everyone be forced to convert to prevent this? Or should they, instead, educate those who are willing to listen?

Rainbow > Zibodiz 09/20/2015 at 14:35

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https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/slippery-slope

Zibodiz > Rainbow 09/20/2015 at 17:19

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“Because no proof is presented to show that such extreme hypotheticals will occur....”

Except I didn’t use hypotheticals. I used actual examples. There is a huge difference.

Rainbow > Zibodiz 09/20/2015 at 18:25

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That didn’t occur as a result of seatbelt laws or anything remotely related, though.

Zibodiz > Rainbow 09/21/2015 at 23:01

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I would reply... but this is looking more like an argument and less like a conversation, so I will just smile and walk away.

Rainbow > Zibodiz 09/22/2015 at 08:31

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Yeah, we can agree to disagree. I don’t think you’re quite understanding my point, but I’ll also accept that I’m probably not grasping what you’re trying to say either.