FCA Dealer Show Rumor roundup: Trackhawk info, New Wrangler, etc

"Illegal Machine" (illmac) 08/25/2015 at 22:48 • Filed to: None

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FCA’s big dealer only show is going on in Vegas. Here is what I’m hearing from my pals there. All phones are confiscated so they have to remember what they can and report when they have a break.

Everyone is CRAZY EXCITED about what they were shown. So here we go:

Trackhawk Grand Cherokee was there. Sounded insane. 0-60 in 2.7 seconds, 700hp, starting at $79,999.

New Jeep Grand Wagoneer - competing with the likes of Land Rover, etc. Likely high end SUV, so great.

New Chrysler full size SUV, looked awesome. Durango size-ish, great design..can’t wait. Even had stow-and-go

Dart R/T and Dart GLH - and the turbo engine (no details) will be available in all trim levels. Best part? Dart GLH starts below $20k. 1.8 turbo hurricane engine On darts.

New Jeep Compass looks good.

New Dodge ram pics were neat, some of the new packages are nice too. The NEW Power Wagon.. holy ****... awesome looking and was on 37’s. 37’s won’t be on the production version, but it’ll have 35’s. Looks like the Ram Rebel on steroids.

Even the mini-van looked so much less mini-van ish but still very well designed.

The Dodge ‘Cuda looked good, they had one made in a convertible. Not sure that one will see production, but lighter and smaller than Challenger. (7/8 scale)

New Challenger ADR (American Drag Racer) release was crazy with 315’s on all 4 corners. Rumors of 1000hp?? The unveiling had it coming out of a cage. Ha!

Challenger T/A was a sweet road course car.. upgraded suspension, no rear seat... blacked out top graphics...

Charger Daytona with a 340 Hemi???

They have an SRT Durango in B5 Blue!!

One of the biggest surprises was the NEW CHARGER. Looks like the 99 concept... but so much better. I can’t wait until that hits.

Other notables were the 4500 promaster concept, some Alpha Romeos, which were impressive and Fiats like the 124 Spider and an SUV. Maseratti has some hot cars too.

Biggest surprise at the end though was seeing the new 2017 Wrangler. Not a big departure from the JK, but I’d say it shares nothing with the JK.

*I apologize for any errors above, I’m literally copying and pasting the info I’m getting*

RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 22:56

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As a big Italian fan, looking forward to the new FIAT and Alfa stuff! Also really like the Dart, so interested to see those new models as well! :) The the new Charger looking like the 1999 concept, that will be pretty neat! Looking forward to that as well! :D

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 22:56

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Dodge ‘Cuda? So like the new Avenger or something, a slightly more cramped Charger?

Illegal Machine > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/25/2015 at 22:58

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No, think Mustang sized coupe.

Illegal Machine > RallyDarkstrike - Fan of 2-cyl FIATs, Eastern Bloc & Kei cars 08/25/2015 at 22:59

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Sorry! My guy’s a Dodge guy, so he skimmed the Alfa/Fiat stuff!

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:00

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I’m excited about the Alfa, and did they display the SRT Dart or Alfa Miata thing? I’ve been waiting AWD manual goodness lately...I'm genuinely excited about the new charger. It's been prime time to get away from the Benz sourced roots and make some thing from themselves.

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:00

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So replace the challenger with the cuda?

Illegal Machine > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 08/25/2015 at 23:10

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From what I hear....there is no and won’t be an SRT Dart. Which is sad. Curious what the GLH Dart is, though. GLH was the old “Goes like Hell” Omni/Daytona in the 80’s. But you’re not getting SIGNIFICANT performance out of a car that’s under $20K anymore.

Heard a separate rumor about a Trackhawk Renegade (AWD Turbo) to go with the JGC Trackhawk, but I would have thought that would be shown at this show and there was no sign of it. So....not sure.

Illegal Machine > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 08/25/2015 at 23:11

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From what I was told, this didn’t look like a production car....but the rumor has been that the Challenger was going to be replaced by a smaller, Mustang sized car. So it may be the case.

Hot Takes Salesman > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:12

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New charger? Didn’t we just get a new goddamn Charger?

Also, 2.7 0-60 for the Trailhawk? I'm guessing AWD and black magic

Hot Takes Salesman > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:14

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Hmmmmm, 1999 concept lookin car? I wanna see this! (Besides the Trailhawk which I guess is constructed from a hellcat engine, two burgers, bacon, and a million bald eagle orgasms)

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:14

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Interesting..so what would that make the charger? Wasnt the 99 concept a coupe?

Illegal Machine > Hot Takes Salesman 08/25/2015 at 23:29

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Naw. The new front end was just a stylibg refresh of the existing car.

Illegal Machine > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 08/25/2015 at 23:29

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Yeah, but I don’t believe this car was a coupe.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:43

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First the good:

SRT Durango

T/A Challenger, makes sense to take on GT350s and Z/28s

Grand Wagoneer

Power Wagon

50/50:

Dart GLH, I want this to be true

Cuda

Trackhawk (see below)

NOPE:

I doubt the “new” Charger part considering they facelifted it for this year.

0-60 in 2.7 for a Grand Cherokee is extremely optimistic at best.

Challenger ADR , a drag car wouldn’t want 315’s all around.

Chrysler SUV, the Aspen was such a failure I doubt they’d do it again. Especially with a Grand Wagoneer as direct competition.

Where would a new Compass fit in the lineup?

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/25/2015 at 23:43

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Challenger name will be retired supposedly

BaconSandwich is tasty. > Illegal Machine 08/25/2015 at 23:46

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No word on a hybrid Caravan?

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 08/25/2015 at 23:59

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That’s kind of shocking. Are they not selling? They’re a huge hit around here.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 00:07

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Hm. Maybe someone will find a stateside salvaged 4C (or import a 4C engine from Europe) and shove it in the dart. Fits.

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/26/2015 at 00:58

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I think they just want to rebrand it instead. Supposedly it’ll be losing weight and shrinking to better take on the Mustang and Camaro.

Besides, it’s been a while for the Barracuda.

j250ex > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 02:08

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Yeah 2.7 0-60 is p85d territory. Actually never mind. That's better than a p85d. Someone must have mistaken a number

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > j250ex 08/26/2015 at 02:14

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2.7 is GT-R, 911 Turbo, Huracan, or Veyron numbers. 3.7 to 60 would be astonishingly fast, but plausible.

Where have all the lightweights gone? > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 02:20

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It has 4 doors, but the rear doors have the handles shaved. This reminds me just how far ahead of their time Chrysler’s concept car designers were. This is a 4 door coupe before the CLS made them trendy.

Susan > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 03:53

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300hp available across the board is no minor thing ;)

Susan > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 08/26/2015 at 03:53

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The 99 concept is a Sedan, guys. lol

Susan > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 03:54

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Supposedly they’re going to be coexisting. Think 1gen Avenger/Eclipse/Stratus in size.

Susan > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/26/2015 at 03:55

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Think 90s — 1gen avenger/eclipse/stratus coupe

Susan > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 08/26/2015 at 04:06

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There isn’t an SRT Dart, but the 300hp engine will be available across the board and with AWD optional.

Susan > BaconSandwich is tasty. 08/26/2015 at 04:25

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T&C- plug in hybrid confirmed, much simpler stow and go. As expected the Grand Caravan is done in the US. It will continue on in Canada and the rest of the world. —- Allpar

Susan > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 04:31

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New = new platform this round, and all these are 12-24 mos from being on lots, all greenlit and everything.

The aspen was a failure because it was literally a durango with a dif. grille, i think they learned their lesson this time.

The compass will likely be the “grand-cherokee” styling side of the equasion. jeep seems to be doing this half-like-wrangler, half-like-grandCherokee.

“GLH” supposedly is a 300hp engine, and will be available across the line with either fwd or awd. Transmission(s) are undisclosed.

The Challenger “ADR” is basically a street-legal machine, so it’d need more than 2” wide tires up front. The grand cherokee is a Hellcat, and with the right tuning, and gear ratio, it wouldn’t surprise me if it could get going that quick, but it is likely a more focused vehicle, a step above the standard SRT, maybe with some weight savings and stuff done.. -shrug-

Susan > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 04:35

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How much power does the GTR have 545 to 600; weighs 3,813 to 3,922 lbs? I dont see it as implausible as you guys think. 700+hp and 4,545 to 5,150 lbs... well, awd does have that acceleration advantage, even if it is a heavier vehicle.. I suppose we’ll find out when we find out. Likely with drag radials, and weight reduction options that i’m sure will be part of it.

Susan > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 04:36

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Every panel except the rear doors was changed. It was a pretty deep refresh, but it’s still the same ol’ charger we’ve had since what.. 2005?

Illegal Machine > Susan 08/26/2015 at 07:31

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First, is this Suzq044?

Second, I’m talking about the 2015 refresh. They changed a lot...but it’s basically the same car underneath. I was getting the impression this “99 Charger”-esque vehicle was totally TOTALLY different.

Illegal Machine > Susan 08/26/2015 at 07:32

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That’s right. It was a sedan with hidden door handles.

Illegal Machine > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 07:38

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The one common thread I’ve seen in all leaked Trackhawk rumors is <3 0-60. So when I heard 2.7 this time...I’m starting to believe it.

Pre Hellcat at 707hp, I would have laughed at it, but I’m not doubting anything FCA claims in terms of speed.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 2.7 0-60 *on drag radials* (like they did with the Hellcats). I have a 2014 JCG SRT and with an intake and tune, I can chirp the tires using launch control.

Illegal Machine > j250ex 08/26/2015 at 07:38

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Copy and pasting my reply to the other dude:

The one common thread I’ve seen in all leaked Trackhawk rumors is <3 0-60. So when I heard 2.7 this time...I’m starting to believe it.

Pre Hellcat at 707hp, I would have laughed at it, but I’m not doubting anything FCA claims in terms of speed.

Wouldn’t be surprised if it was 2.7 0-60 *on drag radials* (like they did with the Hellcats). I have a 2014 JCG SRT and with an intake and tune, I can chirp the tires using launch control.

BigBlock440 > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 08:20

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New Challenger ADR (American Drag Racer) release was crazy with 315’s on all 4 corners. Rumors of 1000hp?? The unveiling had it coming out of a cage. Ha!

Why would a drag race package come with 315s on all 4 corners? I’d think that would be better on the T/A

Charger Daytona with a 340 Hemi???

They’ve always had a 345 Hemi (5.7), so I’d assume that.

Looking forward to the new Wagoneer, glad to see Chrysler is getting another model. Don’t bring back the ‘Cuda, call it something else. I hope, but am not optimistic, that Ram keeps the crosshairs.

BigBlock440 > Susan 08/26/2015 at 08:22

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“The aspen was a failure because it was literally a durango with a dif. grille, i think they learned their lesson this time.”

Also, it was hideous, as was the Durango it was based on.

BigBlock440 > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 08:24

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0-60 in 2.7 for a Grand Cherokee is extremely optimistic at best.

http://jalopnik.com/dodge-charger-…

The Charger does it in 2.9, add in AWD for the Grand Cherokee and it’s more likely than not.

Illegal Machine > BigBlock440 08/26/2015 at 08:24

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I said the exact same thing. Why the hell would it have 315’s on all four corners? I figured they’d do that to the T/A like the 305’s on the Z/28.

Apparently it had crazy flared fenders on all 4 corners. I was assured he meant the ARD, not the T/A. I guess we’ll have to wait and see.

Though a 1000hp Challenger with 315 drag radials on all 4 could destroy anything on a road course and drag strip.

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 09:24

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I didn’t realize one post could give me so many fucking orgasms.

SRT Durango? More challengers? Faster than a Cheetah on bath salts Grand Cherokee? Fuck!

NotRichBMWOwner > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 10:05

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Desiel Renegade with 6mt?

Illegal Machine > BigBlock440 08/26/2015 at 10:33

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Someone on Allpar (where they’re discussing the event + this post) mentioned he’d heard about a 5.5L Hemi. So that could be the 340.

BigBlock440 > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 10:54

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Hmm, wonder what would be different about it. Maybe DI or forced induction?

Illegal Machine > BigBlock440 08/26/2015 at 10:57

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Doubt forced induction. Assume we’d hear about another FI Hemi.

Direct injection sounds like a possibility for sure.

Autojunkie > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 13:27

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NOPE:

I doubt the “new” Charger part considering they facelifted it for this year.

—- This is still two years out (at least) for 2018 or 2019 MY

0-60 in 2.7 for a Grand Cherokee is extremely optimistic at best.

—- Not after what I saw just a couple of weeks ago.

Challenger ADR , a drag car wouldn’t want 315’s all around.

—- Unless it’s an AWD Challenger?

Chrysler SUV, the Aspen was such a failure I doubt they’d do it again. Especially with a Grand Wagoneer as direct competition.

—- It’s not about it being a “Chrysler SUV” that caused the failure of the Aspen. Along those olines you would have to explain why the Durango for that era was also a failure comapared to the current one. Completely different vehicle. Apples and oranges.

Where would a new Compass fit in the lineup?

—- I’ll agree with this one. I also need to see for myself because I just don’t see how they could just do another one that’s really about the same size as the Renegade.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 13:29

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On drag radials, on a prepped surface maybe, considering the Challenger can do 2.9.

Illegal Machine > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 13:40

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Exactly

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Susan 08/26/2015 at 13:46

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The ADR sounds like a SEMA car. My point about the Chrysler SUV is that the Grand Cherokee half of Jeep (I agree with you on that) has gone upmarket enough that I don’t see the need for a Chrysler, especially if the Wagoneer gets built. The compass seems a bit odd still considering how well both the Renegade and Cherokee are doing. As a 2018-19 model year (I went and read Allpar) I could understand a new Charger, since the LX platform is getting towards the end of it’s lifespan. I’d be happy if they moved away from the retro styling a bit too. I certainly didn’t mean to be combative, I just tire of speculation.

Susan > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 13:55

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Because street legal.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Autojunkie 08/26/2015 at 13:57

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I’m thinking the ADR is a SEMA car. As for the Chrysler SUV, it’s more to do with internal competition with Jeep moving upmarket. The Aspen part was more that I think they’re probably a bit gun-shy after a previous failure, and haven’t had issues selling the GC as a Luxury SUV.

My main point in a lot of this was, it sounds like an awful lot of new products that aren’t different enough to differentiate themselves from each other on the market. Lots of internal competition from what’s only 3 brands (the C in FCA).

Autojunkie > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 14:21

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Chrysler is not a luxury brand though. They fit right in between Chevrolet and Buick as their direct competition. Think of the Chrysler SUV as a FWD-based to compete with the Traverse and Enclave. The “SUV” for those that really want a FWD station wagon, but don’t know it.

The actuality is that there is and will be far fewer competion between brands. This is the advantage of having all brands housed under one dealership so there is no need to make products to compete among each of the brands. GM, Ford and Chrysler all had brands that competed within themselves back in the 80s and 90s. Ford and FCA not so much anymore and even less in the near future. They all fill a specific niche with almost no overlap. GM on the other hand...

450X_FTW > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 15:25

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Check out the Ram section. Autoblog mentioned you.

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/26/bar…

Illegal Machine > 450X_FTW 08/26/2015 at 15:34

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Nice! Thanks for the heads up!

Autoblog cited me, but Jalopnik hasn’t. HA!

nermal > NotRichBMWOwner 08/26/2015 at 15:50

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They’re out not in Europe. Same for the Cherokees.

TillTheWheelsFallOff: Brocoma > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 16:14

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The Dodge ‘Cuda looked good, they had one made in a convertible. Not sure that one will see production, but lighter and smaller than Challenger. (7/8 scale)

If this becomes reality and looks good in coupe form, I can’t tell you how quickly my family will get to a dealership.

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 16:32

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Hey! This post is featured as a source on Autoblog. You’ve made it to the big time. (Disregarding that AB is generally a filthy wasteland, especially the comment section)

http://www.autoblog.com/2015/08/26/bar…

It should be noted that while we’ve tried to rely on concrete sources or corroborations from multiple sources, some of the news here comes from people claiming to have been in attendance and posting in forums like Allpar and Jalopnik’s Opposite Lock . Unless corroborated by a mainstream source or confirmed by our own sources within FCA, we’re listing each item that comes from a forum. Have those grains of salt at the ready.

Illegal Machine > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 08/26/2015 at 16:46

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Yeah, if I would have called it “Top 10 reveals from FCA Vegas show!!” maybe Jalop would have picked it up. :-/

DinoBurner > j250ex 08/26/2015 at 16:49

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Or a got the unit of measure wrong ;-)

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 08/26/2015 at 16:53

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WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 16:53

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cazzyodo > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 16:57

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itschrome > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 16:59

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*cough* omni/charger *cough*

Illegal Machine > itschrome 08/26/2015 at 17:01

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Oops! Right you are!

itschrome > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:09

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I know I am.. :( and I should probably be ashamed for how much I know about 80’s mopar. But I just love ‘em.. I mean Variable-geometry turbocharger in 1989 on a production car! who else did that? who?! any ways I’ll stop.. sorry to interrupt your life with my unfortunate morap knowledge.

Hank Scorpio > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:22

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One of the biggest surprises was the NEW CHARGER. Looks like the 99 concept... but so much better. I can’t wait until that hits.

Since the Charger is Dodge’s only mid/full size sedan, I’m curious what this is going to mean. Are they killing the Dodge sedan entirely in favor of the 300? Or are they making a four door car with swooping lines? Or something else I haven’t thought of?

If it ends up as a swoopy-lined four door with a V8 and manual transmission as options, I’ll preorder one. And I’ve never owned something from this side of the pacific.

GreenN_Gold > BigBlock440 08/26/2015 at 17:24

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Exactly. That was the worst Durango ever inside and out, and then they made a more expensive version of it that nobody even knew existed. Chrysler needs an SUV. The Aspen’s failure should not be looked at as a deterrent.

50fridge > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:26

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Sorry to be a wet blanket but how will any of these cars prepare Chrysler/Fiat for CAFE increases and if gas prices go up again? Might make sense in the short term but they are really rolling the dice for long term survival for Chrysler/Fiat.

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:27

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I apologize if I came off as combative, you’re just the messenger :)

Hank Scorpio > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 08/26/2015 at 17:28

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That would be pretty silly. The Challenger is a popular vehicle — they’ve sold more every subsequent year than the one before since its introduction — and it takes time to build up a new brand. Not that I put poorly thought-out business decisions past what an automaker would do, but this writeup also mentions the Challenger ADR and T/A being shown at the event.

Hank Scorpio > CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) 08/26/2015 at 17:30

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An LS1 fits in anything, right?

Textured Soy Protein > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:31

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If the Fiat 124 Spider is an ND Miata with a turbo motor and hopefully offers both the Brembo brakes and leather seats (unlike the ND where you can only get the Brembos on the Club with not many other options) I will be verrrrrrrrrry tempted.

the 1969 Dodge Charger Guy > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:32

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If the Cuda is 7/8s the size of the current Challenger, that means they will have finally gotten it right. Saw a current Challenger parked next to a ‘70 Challenger and christ the current one is a whale. I’m surprised Dodge has sold as many of those tubby Challengers as they have.

Which means the 7/8s size Cuda will be juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust right.

Hank Scorpio > Where have all the lightweights gone? 08/26/2015 at 17:32

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I love how the post face-lift Charger looks, but that’s the most attractive four-door car I’ve seen in forever.

Phunkydiabetic > Where have all the lightweights gone? 08/26/2015 at 17:33

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Interesting that the door scoops returned for the 2011 refresh.

shpuker > Susan 08/26/2015 at 17:39

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More like since 2010/2011. If they’re just now unveiling the first concept I’d suspect this would be a 2017/2018 model year which fits their 5 year plan they gave out almost a year or so ago now.

Phunkydiabetic > Susan 08/26/2015 at 17:41

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Thats bizarre. Wonder what the explanation is for that?

JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! > Hank Scorpio 08/26/2015 at 17:42

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I just dont see the point of offering two very similar vehicles unless they make the Challenge less muscle car and more cruiser (think almost 90s Tbird)

Dodge was supposed to be reinventing themselves and become performace oriented, no more minivans or SUVs. And offering 2 very similar sport muscle coupes wouldnt be the smartest.

But im just going off what I read elsewhere on the Internet a while ago

GreenN_Gold > Where have all the lightweights gone? 08/26/2015 at 17:43

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Oh look, Tesla handles.

WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe > the 1969 Dodge Charger Guy 08/26/2015 at 17:44

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Yeah, it’s way bigger, but a lot of it is safety tech, and it may be a little plus size beyond that, but look at a new Mustang compared to the original, or the Camaro, or even the Porsche 911. These cars are all substantially larger than their predecessors.

But you know what I like about the Challenger? It retains most of the old-school feel of the original. It feels like a more refined, but still raw early 70s large-displacement muscle/pony car. And Dodge is unapologetic about it, I’m sure. And big or not, Dodge is on fire lately. They’ve been my favorite make for well over 10 years, and they’re just cementing it more and more all the time.

As far as the ‘Cuda, I think it will slot below the Chally, IMHO. It’s apparently got a convertible variant to start. Also, I’m hoping they can use some of Mazda’s Miata underpinnings that their using for Alfa, to use for this as well. A smaller, RWD, manual equipped sports coupe and convertible could do quite well for Dodge.

Hank Scorpio > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 08/26/2015 at 17:48

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I was thinking about that too, but didn’t have a good answer. I think yours is a reasonable one, but then you’ve still got the rebranding issue because the Challenger has already built a reputation as a muscle car. On the other hand, you could make a ‘Cuda which is bigger than the Challenger and that could be the cruiser. I’m just speculating at this point though.

iNvDrZiM > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 17:49

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Any word on their Plug-in Hybrid Town & Country? (Range/Cost/Etc.)

TurboS60 > WesBarton89 - The Way to Santa Fe 08/26/2015 at 18:42

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forgot one

Susan > Phunkydiabetic 08/26/2015 at 19:09

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The caravan sells better in Canada than the t&c

Bandit > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 19:12

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“The Dodge ‘Cuda looked good, they had one made in a convertible. Not sure that one will see production, but lighter and smaller than Challenger. (7/8 scale) “ Plymouth badge swaps should be a factory option.

Susan > the 1969 Dodge Charger Guy 08/26/2015 at 19:14

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It’s because almost nobody races them. They drive them in the standard mundane ways where their weight is a non issue

DakirSmith > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 19:47

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I’ll wait until I see it. That much new product there is no way they got it all right. Big SUVs will be tough long term. Tahoes are the preferred vehicle. Minivans are declining and the market is owned by Toyota and Honda. If that is the charger not impressed. The wrangler better not be messed up or moved out of Toledo.

Those are my initial thoughts.

MaximilianMeen > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 08/26/2015 at 19:47

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Wasn’t the new Chally an 11/10 scale of the original? So this is getting it back down to a more reasonable pony car size?

BigBlock440 > JQJ213- Now With An Extra Cylinder! 08/26/2015 at 19:48

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Why would offering two different performance coupes be “not the smartest thing” for a brand trying to be a performance brand? I’d think the more performance models the better.

BigBlock440 > DakirSmith 08/26/2015 at 19:51

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The minivan market is owned by the 3rd and 4th place vehicles?

Illegal Machine > the 1969 Dodge Charger Guy 08/26/2015 at 20:12

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They sell because they’re BY FAR the most comfortable modern muscle cars. Challengers are GT cars. Have usable back seats.

Best looking too, but I suppose that’s subjective.

Illegal Machine > Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch 08/26/2015 at 20:14

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I’m told the ADR is not being built as a SEMA car or Concept car. It’s target is low production, and street legal (not like a drag pack).

It and the T/A’s new suspension and styling cues will then trickle down to the rest of the Challengers.

NO clue how they plan on pulling that off, but I want to see it. HA!

Saazbaru > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 20:38

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I’ll I gotta say is that Dart GLH better be insane. Otherwise it won’t have the desired effect at all for FCA. They should support as much aftermarket tuning as possible, give it a wing and scoops and preferably box flares. If they just barely warm it over, everyone who got excited by the return of that nameplate will be dissapointed and yet another name plate will be ruined.

AutoEnthustiast > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 20:41

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You misspelled Alfa Romeo in the second to last paragraph, lol.

Phillthy > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 20:56

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No, it’s not subjective to anyone who has a modicum of taste.

Thats why I bought my Charger way back when, its still one of the most comfortable cars “regular cars” I have ever been in.

and 100 more > Susan 08/26/2015 at 21:10

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The compass will likely be the “grand-cherokee” styling side of the equasion. jeep seems to be doing this half-like-wrangler, half-like-grandCherokee.

So would you say that the new Compass will be a blend of the current Compass and Patriot, style-wise? any idea what size the new Compass will be in relation to the current one?

I know nobody else really cares about the Compass, but the old MK platform is still selling like hotcakes... they better have something good that can replace it, since the Renegade and Cherokee can’t quite hit the price point of the old MK twins.

EDIT : sorry, directed to the wrong person... unless you happen to know.

and 100 more > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 21:14

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Any details on the new Compass? How does it look in relation to the old one? Any idea what size the new Compass will be in relation to the current one?

I know nobody else really cares about the Compass, but the old MK platform is still selling like hotcakes... they better have something good that can replace it, since the Renegade and Cherokee can’t quite hit the price point of the old MK twins.

wunderwagen wants a longer roof > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 21:43

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Dart GLH?! Sign me up!

CSX321 > itschrome 08/26/2015 at 21:57

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“Variable-geometry turbocharger in 1989 on a production car”

My daily driver! :-)

Bman76 (no it doesn't need a WS6 hood) M. Arch > Illegal Machine 08/26/2015 at 22:03

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I’d love to see the ADR, and I think the T/A makes complete sense and should see production.

Also, I made a poll/survey to gauge Oppo’s opinions on the news, it’s been entertaining.

http://oppositelock.kinja.com/poll-fca-rumor…

Illegal Machine > AutoEnthustiast 08/26/2015 at 23:41

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You didn’t read the last sentence in bold and underlined. lol