Whats the most sleeper car you can buy new today?

"Luc - The Acadian Oppo" (luc5) 08/13/2015 at 13:32 • Filed to: None

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Like the title says I’m wondering what’s the biggest sleeper you can walk into a dealership and buy brand new today?

I know some are gonna mention the Hellcat Charger but it’s not really that much of a sleeper unless you know absolutely nothing about cars.

I’m talking about normal cars that are way faster than they probably should be. Like how you can buy a Chevy Impala with a 305HP!!! V6 or a base model ram 1500 with a 395HP Hemi.

10 years ago that would of been completely unheard of.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:35

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Chevy SS because apparently everyone thinks it looks like a Malibu.

Camry/Accord V6 would be a good one because 0-60 in under 6 seconds

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:37

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Sleeper from factory or potential sleeper?

Either way I would vote for the Express van with the 6.0 or 6.6 Duramax. More of a sleeper than the Ram because while most people don't expect the Ram to be as fast as it is, NO-ONE expects a van to be quick in any way shape or form. I know for a fact that they can hit low 8's 0-60 (6.0L, 15 PASSENGER—not cargo, which would be lighter, with 360,000km on the odo, stock). That's fast enough to require full throttle to get away from for most new cars, and as fast as many cars. Much more than you expect from a van.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:38

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I’d say the Forester XT is pretty unassuming looking to most people. And I’m sure most would think it’s just another CUV.

Chevy SS is another one, but lets face it, no one is buying them.

not for canada - australian in disguise > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:38

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Korean midsize sedan with the same engine as an Evo anyone?

278 HP/269 Ft-LB

Also, the Grand Caravan, completely ho-hum on the outside, but it’s got 283 HP under the hood.

Lumpy44, Proprietor Of Fine Gif > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/13/2015 at 13:39

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Second the SS.

Mercedes Streeter > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:39

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Hyundai with an inflatable mattress?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/13/2015 at 13:40

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I honestly can't see the Malibu in the SS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/13/2015 at 13:41

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Neither can I and I've stared at pictures of both for a good while to try and see it.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Mercedes Streeter 08/13/2015 at 13:41

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Well played.

CB > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:41

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My answer is always the Genesis R-Spec. 5.2 seconds to sixty, which is a bit slower than the last gen’s 4.8 second time.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:41

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Ford Flex or Lincoln MKT with the 365 HP TT V6 and AWD

Or for that matter the Taurus SHO isn’t really recognizable either with the same power output

DoYouEvenShift > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:42

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SS sedan or P85D

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/13/2015 at 13:43

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Even if it did, I don’t see the issue. The Malibu isn’t bad looking, even though it isn’t spectacular. Besides, the last Impala was just a slightly breathed on version of the Caprice, styling wise.

The SS is a sleeper. As it should be.

EL_ULY > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:43

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brown XC70 T6 with Polestar

*Bonus* off road hooning

itschrome > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:43

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I’d vote for the Taurus SHO.. most people do not know it’s any different than the base Taurus.

djmt1 > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:45

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A debadged AMG. To most people they are just Taxis right up to the point where they go deaf.

itschrome > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/13/2015 at 13:46

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I don;t think the Lincoln counts, simple by being a (or so I’m told it is) “premium” or “luxury” brand. A lot of people just assume a name plate like Lincoln would be a powerful car withe they are or aren’t actually. I can’t agree on the flex or Taurus enough. probably say the flex even more so. wish I had thought of that first actually.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:49

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Accord coupe V6. 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, 14.0 second 1/4 mile

Mattbob > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:53

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the ford Flex ecoboost has 365 HP and 350 lbft of torque.

Milky > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 13:55

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Imma go with the S8.

Yes it looks expensive and yes you might notice the S badge. Even then though I don’t think anyone will think this boat gets to 60 in 3.5 seconds.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 14:03

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Definitely true, even more so with the first and second generations cars from the 90’s. Not new, I know, but still.

itschrome > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 08/13/2015 at 14:05

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no, every one knows you can spot a 2nd gen SHO because it’s the only with the hood open on the front lawn..

My hovercraft is full of eels > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 14:15

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In Europe, we have the Skoda Superb. It’s a rather boring, but surprisingly spatious and practical family sedan/wagon. Most of the Superbs have the 2.0 TDI, which is a decent engine, but the 140 hp is not too much when it comes to moving this pretty large car.

But then there is the 3.6 V6, with only very-very small differences in appearance.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/13/2015 at 14:16

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Honestly saw one last night at Roadkill and thought it was a Regal. Not even joking.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 14:16

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Flex w/ the 3.5 TT. There was one at Roadkill last night that was surprisingly fast!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/13/2015 at 14:17

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I don’t like GM and would play that card if I actually saw it, but I don’t. The Malibu looks like a blobbish FWD car, while the SS looks like a sporty RWD sedan. The SS looks like the Malibu in the same way the 300 looks like the 200.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/13/2015 at 14:21

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And the same way the LFA looks like an RX300.

itschrome > StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 08/13/2015 at 14:23

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no, you’re right. I wish I had said the flex to be honest. but both the flex/Taurus are perfect sleepers.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 14:23

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I’ll argue until we’re both blue in the face on the luxury thing.

But we can just sit back and enjoy the awesome conclusion of the Flex.

itschrome > Milky 08/13/2015 at 14:26

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You’d be wrong. the perception of Audi being a premium/luxury brand in most peoples eyes automatically removes any sleeper aspect due to the perception that luxury or premium brand cars are inherently powerful/faster than your average car.

itschrome > EL_ULY 08/13/2015 at 14:26

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yes! yes! yes!

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/13/2015 at 14:27

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They are totally the same. Just like the Cobalt and Corvette.

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 14:30

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Hey. The hood’s shut isn’t it? Ignore the jackstands.

Also ignore the fact that it’s a Gen One. The Gen Three V8 cars really werent that great though.

for Michigan > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 14:32

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Chevy “plus-size-Malibu” SS

3.5TT EcoBoost Fords: Flex, Taurus SHO, Explorer

Honda Accord V6

Toyota Camry V6

itschrome > TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts 08/13/2015 at 14:34

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OH the v8 was a gen 3? that’s the one i was actually joking. but honestly it still hold true for the other too. haha

Textured Soy Protein > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 14:36

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Cadillac XTS Vsport. Sure people know some Cadillacs are fast, but the XTS is a fwd geriatric-mobile concession to “traditional” (i.e. ancient) Cadillac customers that shares a platform with the Buick LaCrosse and Chevy Impala.

“I’m gonna tootle along from my 55-and-up golf course condo to the local grocery store at 5 under the limit,” is what you think when you see an XTS. Except the XTS Vsport has a 410 hp twin-turbo V6, awd, big brakes, and magnetic dampers.

So maybe the golf course condo set will at least use it to maintain the speed limit.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/13/2015 at 14:36

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Can’t you see? THE HEADLIGHTS ARE IDENTICAL!!!

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 14:52

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Nah, I work on Audi, they’re one of my clients. just glancing at an S8 you don’t see 0-60 in 3.5 It just looks like an overgrown A/S6 or a really overgrown A/S4. You expect it to move sure, but you don’t expect it to be in Corvette territory. I mean the 2015 Stingray w/Z51 does 0-60 in 3.7. Let that sink in.

coelacanthist > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 14:55

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I know they are out of production, but the hhr ss panel. Didn't know they existed prior to being embarrassed by one at a red light.

deekster_caddy > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 14:56

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Pretty much any cheap car - they are almost all way faster than reasonably fast cars of 15-20 years ago. Unless you get a pure econobox, as in made for fuel economy only.

lonestranger > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 15:24

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Calgary > Edmonton ;)

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Milky 08/13/2015 at 15:31

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There is nothing sleeper about Audi S models.

Look at that huge chrome grill and huge wheels and different colored mirrors and 4 exhaust tips. It’s German for “look at me!”

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > lonestranger 08/13/2015 at 15:31

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What? Such confused.

EDIT: Holy smokes that van was actually in Calgary? it took me a bit to figure out what you were talking about.

Milky > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 15:35

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Yea its faster then a Camry. But you don’t think it’ll smoke most sports cars including the F-Type R.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/13/2015 at 15:36

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Although I agree since you can’t buy it in Canada it is disqualified.

Soory aboot that eh!

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 15:37

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Yup the Taurus/Flex are both very strong candidates.

I’d take a flex for maximum under the radarness.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Milky 08/13/2015 at 15:40

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not really a sleeper but definitely a car that is way faster than it should be. That thing is a damn rocket.

Milky > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 08/13/2015 at 15:42

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Oh come on, a ton of not very fast cars has huge wheels and 4 exhaust tips.

And the people that can spot the mirrors won’t be caught by any “sleeper”.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/13/2015 at 15:44

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Yeah the flex is definitely high on the list. Who would expect a soccer brick to be that quick.

The only thing that lets you know it’s the TT model is the little tiny ecoboost badge that you would never be able to read if you were also driving.

It’s also just a tune away from 400+hp.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > EL_ULY 08/13/2015 at 15:47

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I actually had to google the specs. I’M IMPRESSED! Definitely high on the sleeper chart.

I did not even know there was a polestar version of it and I’m a total gearhead so yeah not many people would be expecting that at a red light.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Textured Soy Protein 08/13/2015 at 15:52

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This is actually the car I had in mind as the ultimate sleeper. Take off the V badges and no one would suspect a thing.

I live in a tiny town of like 2000 people and there is one old guy probably in his 80’s that has a V-sport XTS. I don’t think he actually picked that out I’m sure the salesman convinced him he needed it.

lonestranger > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 15:54

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Yeah, I was deliberately obtuse, but I knew you’d figure it out eventually ;)

It backs out of the driveway of this auto shop near Chinook mall. I used to live right by the tall apartments in the background, so the skyline looked familiar.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > not for canada - australian in disguise 08/13/2015 at 15:55

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Does the kia really have the Mitsubishi 4B11T? I couldn’t find anything regarding that on wikipedia.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 08/13/2015 at 15:56

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I was thinking completely stock factory car. But I totally understand where you are coming from with the potential of the diesel vans.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 08/13/2015 at 15:57

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The Forester XT is a manual transmission away from being one of the best cars you can buy for the money.

I’d totally rock one if it weren’t for the CVT.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > DoYouEvenShift 08/13/2015 at 15:58

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P85D is hardly a sleeper. Most car people know what a Tesla is and what it’s capable of.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > coelacanthist 08/13/2015 at 16:00

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I REALLY liked those when they came out. I could not afford one at the time but I would of totally bought a HHR SS (not panel tho) if I had the money at the time. I still like them today.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:06

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YEP.

And just a thought- the C5 Z06, so top of the line C5 Corvette, only had 405 hp. It’s awesome we now live in a world where a Soccer Box is a small tune away from matching the top of the line Corvette from 10-ish years ago in horsepower.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 08/13/2015 at 16:16

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I know it’s damn near batshit insane. No family car “needs” that type of push but I love that it does.

Top trim Silverado 1500 had the 5.3L and 295hp 10 years ago and now we get that in the absolute base model V6.

What a world we live in. The worst part is 400+hp trucks of today are more fuel efficient than the 200hp V6 of 10 years ago.

DoYouEvenShift > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:22

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To car people, you cant hide a sleeper very well. To the sheep, a Veyron will blend into the sea if Corollas and Civics.

Mindless Self Indulgence > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:22

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When it was new, the previous generation RAV4 Sport with the V6 was quite a sleeper. 269 HP and 0 to 60 in about 6.3 seconds.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:24

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TRUTH. On all points.

And my FWD V6 Milan from 07 that has 220hp was crazy high horsepower than looks like a god damn slug now. And it’s EPA highway of 26 looks like shit too.

The fun part is someone at my work has a turbo 4 malibu (2 years old now i think) that is only .1 faster 0-60 than my Milan, she was bragging about how fast it was.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Mindless Self Indulgence 08/13/2015 at 16:32

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Yes 100% when it was new it was crazy fast for what it was. It wasn’t super bloated and heavy yet and 268hp is still decent today so 8 years ago that was a metric shit ton.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 16:34

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Yeah, but you don’t assume 3.5 seconds. People don’t just see four rings and go “Oh look a rocket ship”. There is such thing as a luxury sleeper.

not for canada - australian in disguise > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:37

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The Theta-II 2.0T uses an extremely similar block to the 4B11T, used in the Evo and Ralliart.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > DoYouEvenShift 08/13/2015 at 16:39

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I don’t know the Flex TT is one badge removal away from being a normal Flex. There is nothing else on it to give it away. Even the best car guy couldn’t tell them apart if it weren’t for the badge.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > not for canada - australian in disguise 08/13/2015 at 16:40

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Interesting.

Saracen > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 16:56

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Audi S6.

Saracen > Milky 08/13/2015 at 16:56

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I’d go with the S6 over the S8.

Luc - The Acadian Oppo > Saracen 08/13/2015 at 16:56

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yes

DoYouEvenShift > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 17:08

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True. Same with some of the cheaper Charger RTs.

wiffleballtony > Luc - The Acadian Oppo 08/13/2015 at 17:12

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Chevrolet SS

TheVancen- In Pursuit of a Greater Payday and Car Parts > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 19:01

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Mine above is a Gen One, 1991

This one is a Gen Two

And this is a Gen Three, the V8 in question.

They all have problems, but long as you know about them they’re relatively easy to fix. Mine already has a Quaife diff, so that’s the big weak point in my car taken care of.

Milky > Saracen 08/13/2015 at 19:17

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Shit, C&D got the S6 to 60 in 3.6?! Damn, yea you’re right.

AM > itschrome 08/13/2015 at 19:33

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Let's add the 2016 Explorer Platinum. Looks like a regular Explorer but has a 365hp 3.5TT under the hood.

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Milky 08/13/2015 at 19:36

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I guess I'm missing your point. The WRX is not a sleeper either.

Milky > Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast 08/13/2015 at 20:44

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Its a 250hp car with quad exhaust tips … meaning seeing quad tips isn’t a “oh shit thats a fast car” give away. This probably is a better example:

Danimalk - Drives a Slow Car Fast > Milky 08/13/2015 at 21:40

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You’re right but they are trying to look like fast cars, and therefore not sleepers.