What would it take? Clumsy wagon VS Z06

"EL_ULY" (uly) 08/03/2015 at 16:35 • Filed to: Project Speed Piggy

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What do you rad OPPOs think thy fat clumsy wagon would need in mods to be able to outperform a C7 Z06 on the track (without engine swap)? Mods list and prices

My guess would be:

-Full performance coiliver suspension

-Lightweight 18 inch wheels on Michelin Pilot Sport Cups

-Big ass brakes, maybe some R8 takeoffs?

-Performance rods and pistons (internals and shit lol)

-Head work (lol)

-Upgraded fuel delivery

-Supercharger (common for 2.8L) with cooler

-Race headers and exhaust

-RS6 body upgrade

-Random hardware and software dyno tune

All mods with some labor for the things I can’t do..... $18,000- $20,000 USD?

Does that sound right?

EDIT: The interior will most likely need to be stripped :( Roll cage for added stiffness (lol)

AM > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:39

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Or just do half of those upgrades and you’ll catch the Z06 after a few laps when it goes into limp mode.

HammerheadFistpunch > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:41

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is this a thought experiment? or a bet? I think it would be a tall order to match a c7 zo7 around a track but it possible. It would probably ruin the car for everyday use though.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:41

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A trip down the interstate. Motor Trend is no longer drinking the Kool-Aid as it seems.

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

Adding salt to the wound.

iSureWilll > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:41

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1st thing - Track time so you can be a great driver

Full engine build (as good as you can build it)

Drastic weight loss

Giant brakes

The best suspension you can get

You may have a shot, but the Z06 will be very very hard to beat in the corners with a decent driver.

crowmolly > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:41

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Track as in road course? I think it still wouldn’t do it. You’d have to head much further into race car territory.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:41

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I'd add to that massive weight reduction. Strip out the interior almost completely (save dash, other semi-essential parts), upgrade to a racing seat, harness, maybe a half-cage as well for rigidity. But that's a good list

Cherry_man1 > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:44

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Take everything just about out of the R8 and make the wagon mid engine

EL_ULY > AM 08/03/2015 at 16:44

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highly doubt it. In the last year (documented on OPPO) my wagon has gone into limp mode 3 times.

AM > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:46

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Oh, I see. Well I guess you could both go into limp mode and get passed by everyone else.

EL_ULY > HammerheadFistpunch 08/03/2015 at 16:47

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random brain droppings. Though, if only once on a time attack the fat girl could set a quicker time as the beast that is the C7 Z06, it would be worth the death of the DD

EL_ULY > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 16:48

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my wagon has gone into limp mode at least 3 times in the last year (documented on OPPO) At least the Vette did it kicking ass lol :]

EL_ULY > iSureWilll 08/03/2015 at 16:50

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without weight loss is preferable but thinking about it, it will have to be done. Driving skill is key as well. My butt was professionally tunes for Aston, Lotus, Volvo, and Merc/AMG at one point, but it has lost its sensitivity

EL_ULY > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 08/03/2015 at 16:51

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Losing weight was not something I wanted to do but it seems like it will have to be necessary

EL_ULY > crowmolly 08/03/2015 at 16:51

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it seems so now that I give it more thought. She is just too big

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:51

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No. It was just going down the interstate on this occasion, so it overheated doing something pretty much what in modernish car can do without overheating. A new car, especially one that is designed to be driven hard, should not overheat like these have gained the notoriety for doing. E-fucking-specially at under 2k rpm, which is what this should be at in 8th gear at 85.

Tripper > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:52

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I think it’s possible and your list is a good one, but I think you would end up spending more like 40-50k unless you did all of the wrenching, fabrication, tuning yourself.

EL_ULY > Cherry_man1 08/03/2015 at 16:52

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oh baby, mid-engine wagon

drooooooooooool!!!!!

EL_ULY > AM 08/03/2015 at 16:52

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lol :]

BeaterGT > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 08/03/2015 at 16:55

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Definitely this. Weight is one the biggest factors in performance!

EL_ULY > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 16:55

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maybe some debris got into the grille? We had a V8 Vantage GT’s over heat at my shop while on test drives. It ended up being bat cat converter of all things. Also, a couple G wagon AMGs because of bad radiators, also brand new. Heck, I remember the early IS-F’s had an issue with deposits on the t-stats causing them to stick.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 16:56

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Could be, but it’s doubtful.

EL_ULY > Tripper 08/03/2015 at 16:57

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wrenching yes, but fab work and tuning no. All while trying no to remove the internals but I think it’ll have to be done for various reasons. That would easily push things closer to $30,000

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 16:58

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Holy hell there is something seriously wrong with these if that’s happening cruising on the highway. I wonder if the CTS-V is going to do this too or if they shoved enough coolers in it to stop this.

They damn well better be working on a solution for that RIGHT NOW.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/03/2015 at 17:01

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Not sure if true, but I saw something about it being the compactness of the car, and that the CTS wouldn’t be as problematic due to having more room for cooling. But it seems to be a bit of an issue, though not as big as the C6Z’s valve issues, because this at least isn’t total failure.

Cherry_man1 > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:01

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Yes yes it is a monster!

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:04

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So are you actually gonna do it?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 17:04

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I could see that being the case. Maybe time to use some of that blank space on either side of the grille for more cooling holes.

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > BeaterGT 08/03/2015 at 17:04

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That and tires.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/03/2015 at 17:06

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Problem solved.

LongbowMkII > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 17:07

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215’ is hardly cause for panic

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 17:08

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Now THAT looks like a tubeframe o’ fun.

LOREM IPSUM > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:08

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Does the Z06 owner get to spend an equal amount improving his Z06?

If so, you’re boned... Also, potentially bankrupt.

LongbowMkII > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:09

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High downforce wings.

CRider > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:10

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A turbo

Tires

A good driver

Extreme weight loss

That should get you close.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > LongbowMkII 08/03/2015 at 17:12

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That’s oil temp, not coolant.

Saracen > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:21

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-Suspension: agreed. Ohlins baby. Or KW V3 or PSS10’s if you want to keep the ride at an acceptable margin.

- Enkei’s RPF1 in 18x9 and 18x10 fitments both weigh under 19 pounds and are cheap ;)

- Check out Cayenne brake kits...they are pretty economical option for 14.5” 6-piston brakes! Don’t know if there are any current adapter kits for the C5 A6 body but I’m sure you could figure that out ;)

- Is this a street car or are you going to strip it out?

- Since your car is so much bigger and heavier than a Corvette, I don’t know if a built and blown 2.8L will get you the needed power. Also PES superchargers have a history of being junk.

—Maybe swap in a 3.0T from a junked car and add a full exhaust and stage 2 flash+pulley? 3.0T’s in that state of tune pull close to 400 awhp ;) It should be doable with your budget in lieu of all that custom work.

— Alternately a Stage 3 2.7T will get you there easily, of course they are a bitch.

Also, the RS6 body is beautiful but it won’t do anything performance wise.

LongbowMkII > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies 08/03/2015 at 17:23

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So it is. Strange. I always figured as a rule of thumb that the oil was hotter than the water. Maybe it’s the dry sump setup.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > LongbowMkII 08/03/2015 at 17:27

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Can’t explain it.

No Prius Needed > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:31

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Approximately 1.3 Type R stickers.

EL_ULY > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 08/03/2015 at 17:33

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I don’t want to get rid of the car, it’s just suuuper slow. More than anything, it’s just brain dropping.

EL_ULY > LOREM IPSUM 08/03/2015 at 17:39

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lol nope, he has a C7 Z06 :]

EL_ULY > LongbowMkII 08/03/2015 at 17:40

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like a splitter and all that?

EL_ULY > CRider 08/03/2015 at 17:40

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lol best relpy ever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EL_ULY > No Prius Needed 08/03/2015 at 17:41

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more than 1... dayum, that is like GTLM spec racecar

BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:41

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No I totally get it. I have a whole bookmarks folder on chrome filled with parts/stuff I want to do to my truck. But I'm in college and all my money is going towards that, so...

RazoE > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 17:41

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Ultimate weight reduction, incredible suspension, and about 20 lbs of boooooooost.

EL_ULY > BReLp7dzHM3ytYsE 08/03/2015 at 17:42

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oh I know. It’s been 8 years since college and i’m still broke as a joke :]

EL_ULY > RazoE 08/03/2015 at 17:44

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and chingos de lana. Keeping the stock interior is just not going to do

EL_ULY > Saracen 08/03/2015 at 17:46

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expert advise!!! I don’t want to get rid of the fat girl but it is just too slow. Those wheels would be pretty much perfect especially with a big brake setup like that. After some thought, I doubt a built 2.8 would help much also. Poor engine gets no love

LongbowMkII > EL_ULY 08/03/2015 at 18:14

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Park bench wing, whole 9 yards.

/Fourzatuning

AM > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 08/03/2015 at 18:16

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IIRC, I read somewhere that the CTS will have better cooling than the Z06 since it has a less compact engine bay. Not sure if they have or not, but the CTS could receive a beefier cooling system than the C7Z since it has extra space. I know with the CTS they got rid of the dry-sump oil system for a less complicated wet-sump system so there could be other changes.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > AM 08/03/2015 at 18:28

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I remember reading that every single hole in the CTS fascia is stuffed with a cooler for something. So hopefully they have it sufficiently cooled.

pip bip - choose Corrour > EL_ULY 08/04/2015 at 04:50

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strap a Jato rocket to the roof perhaps

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