"TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut" (twincharged)
07/13/2015 at 13:57 • Filed to: None
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"TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut" (twincharged)
07/13/2015 at 13:57 • Filed to: None | 1
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You’re going to make life for a lot of my friends rather difficult.
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On one hand, I totally understand the situation - visa fraud is a serious crime and draws away jobs that could’ve been given to the unemployed in Britain. It also allows for foreign citizens to remain in Britain and claim benefits/welfare. Those who are hardworking taxpayers especially don’t like foreigners claiming welfare due to the ongoing benefits scandal in the UK, where people who are either too lazy to work or are immigrants seeking asylum get social welfare, paid for by the taxpayer. With the recent popularity of TV shows such as Benefits Street (an entire street in the UK living on state welfare), British taxpayers are getting more and more disgruntled at having to pay for people who do not work because the benefits bring in more money than actual work, or so I’m lead to believe by British media. If there are any British Oppos here, please correct me if I’m wrong.
On the other hand, those who are legitimately coming to the UK to seek education are paying a huge amount of money, up to five figures for a higher education period of at least three years (provided they get no scholarships). Their sponsors may not be able to fully fund both their tuition fees and living costs and thus they will have to go and seek out part-time jobs in the local area to supplement their living. The work experience will also generally do these students will in preparing them for lives as independent adults. Currently, this proposed law will only affect non-EU citizens so I’m safe for now, but a lot of my friends are not. I don’t know what else to do except tell them about this whole issue and perhaps persuade them to reconsider their university locations...
Steve in Manhattan
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
07/13/2015 at 14:10 |
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Conservatives, Tories, Republicans - these governments are bad news for everyone.
SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
07/13/2015 at 14:30 |
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I hate how western countries seem to be doing less and less to try to retain talent. Fareed Zakaria talks about it in one of his books. Apparently when he graduated from university in India, something like 75% of the graduating class emigrated to America and at the time the majority of residency applications were granted to people who had a documented skill. Now the majority (close to 90% iirc) are here because of claims of love, which is kind of bullshit. I know so many people who got their residency by getting married to someone for a visa. Apparently it’s the most painless way to do it these days.
djmt1
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
07/13/2015 at 14:46 |
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I finished my degree last year and for 3/4 of my classes, I was the only person born in the UK and from what I can gather, very few of them had any plan to go home but they also had no plan to stick around and collect benefits. Never have I seen people so motivated to get a job and some of the shit they were willing to put up with was staggering in order to secure employment.
This seems like overkill for a very minor problem in the grand scheme of things. The UK and especially London has a massive skill shortage, this is just going to make things worse.
RWS Motorsport
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
07/13/2015 at 15:04 |
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Benefits being claimed by people who are just lazy and don’t want to work is a very popular topic for the right wing papers. By vilifying people on benefits (most of whom collect a perfectly legitimate amount) and turning the public against them it makes those at the bottom of society mistrusted and un-liked. Which is handy as Tax fraud costs the UK economy much more than benefits fraud, but tax fraud is a white collar crime and those doing it often hold positions of power and influence, where as benefits fraud is more often committed by those right at the other end of the social scale.
Oh, and yes its a ridiculous situation. Throw out people who have just spent at least £30,000 in the UK to get a degree, worked damn hard and are exactly the kind of people who will help grow an economy, because its perceived that they are taking jobs from British people?? And because a tiny handful have abused the system (although in most cases this was actually universities abusing the system, rather than individuals) this is happening. Utterly short sighted and ridiculous policy.
I think this has been talked about for a while, hopefully someone will see sense before it comes in though.
RiceRocketeer Extraordinaire
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
07/13/2015 at 15:17 |
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That’s pretty short-sighted — even from a selfish point of view, you’d think they’d want to KEEP as much of the skilled and willing workforce as possible, provided they were here under legit circumstances (i.e. not like the US’s H1-B program which leads to general wage suppression).