Holy fucking hell - asshole judge destroys family edition

"You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much" (youcantellafinn) 07/10/2015 at 08:41 • Filed to: None

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When all the kids remained resistant, Gorcyca ruled them in contempt and sent them to Children’s Village’s juvenile detention center until age 18. The trio have reportedly since been separated from each other, as well as both of their parents, who aren’t even allowed to visit.

This judge has totally overstepped his her authority and needs to be removed from the bench. He She has ordered three kids, ages 15, 10 and 9 to be imprisoned in a juvenile detention center until they are 18 for refusing to “foster a ‘healthy relationship’ with their dad” There is absolutely no way that imprisoning a 9 year old until they turn 18 for refusing to go see his father is not cruel and unusual punishment. I realize that I don’t know the full story of what is going on here, but there is no way that imprisoning kids for refusing to see a parent can be justified. Obviously this is part of a divorce filled with an unusual amount of animosity between the parents, but you cannot punish the kids for the actions of the parents. Source article !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

How in the literal fuck can this fucking stupid fucking asshole of a judge sleep at night after literally destroying a family? Obviously it is a bad situation, but fucking seriously, how fucking stupid do you have to be to think that separating the kids from both of their parents and apparently each other for up to 9 years is going to help the situation?

*** Edited for my reading comprehension fail this morning. Did not notice the judge was a woman, thanks to those who pointed that out.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:46

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That judge should get anally fucked with a prickly pear.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:49

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The judge is actually a women if I remember the article I read correctly. Also, I feel like there's more to this story than we know at the moment, but at no point should kids be thrown in juvenile detention for not wanting to see their dad in a divorce

itschrome > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:52

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what in the fucking hell is wrong with this judge??

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/10/2015 at 08:53

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If the 15yo is telling the truth, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t be, he has a perfectly valid reason for not wanting to talk to his dad. The other 2 following his lead is understandable.

yamahog > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:53

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And to add insult to injury, the father left the country... because that’s what any parent would do upon hearing their kids were separated and imprisoned, right? But you would not believe the amount of people out here in Michigan saying “THAT’S WHAT THEY DESERVE FOR DISRESPECTING THEIR FATHER!!” Um, have you met a 15 year old?? There’s not enough prison space for all the occasional moody and disrespectful but otherwise normal teens in the world!

Also, *her authority, as this tremendously fucked-up powertripping judge happens to be a woman.

Edit: ahhh frick, wrong end of the kinjaverse, thought this was in GT.

Cherry_man1 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:55

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This Judge has no respect for the Law nor children well being. She needs to be expelled from the court and herself reported for child abuse.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 08:56

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The fact that she’s being called out on Jezebel is testament to her idiocy. I’m not trying to start shit, but seriously.

Nibby > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:58

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people are fucked up. ;_;

LongbowMkII > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 08:59

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I saw this on GT. What bothers me most is the judge’s insistence that the father is a great guy despite the fact that his children want nothing to do with him.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 09:00

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This just doesn’t make sense. I assume the father has court ordered visitation. If the children don’t want to see him, how does this work in the eyes of the law? Maybe the father is a real ass and the kids just don’t like him? Or maybe the mother is filling their heads with stuff, who knows. But I’m not sure how this is an offense that you throw kids in juvenile detention for. You work with out with a court appointed therapist or something.

davedave1111 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 09:01

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I have no problem at all with a 15yo being sent to juvie for contempt of court. I wasn’t aware kids as young as 9 or 10 could be, so that’s really weird.

Of course the one who should really be in jail for a long, long time is the mother. There seems no doubt in this case that she has indeed acted appallingly, poisoning the kids against their father after she kidnapped them from the family home. There also seems no doubt that the ‘abuse’ allegations were made up by the mother and fed to the kids. There also seems to be no doubt whatsoever that the father is wholly innocent of any wrongdoing, and has only tried to get to see his kids.

Now, does that justify the judge’s actions? I’m not inclined to say yes. But I do understand that this is one of the most egregious cases we’ve seen along these lines, and that the judge felt some extreme step was necessary to rectify it.

Don’t forget, by the way, that if mumsie goes to jail - as looks likely if this fails - then the kids will be offered the chance to live with their father. If they turn that down, they’ll go into care until they turn 18. In light of that, giving them a wake-up shock for a week or two might well be in their best interests.

davedave1111 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 09:02

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“If the 15yo is telling the truth, and I don’t see why he wouldn’t be”

You need to look into the case in more detail. It’s pretty clear that it’s a false allegation fed by the mother.

Cherry_man1 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 09:03

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davedave1111 > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 09:04

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“And to add insult to injury, the father left the country... “

Where did you get that idea? Have you misunderstood the bit about him having moved overseas for work (and wanting to take his whole family), which is what started the divorce thing?

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > Cherry_man1 07/10/2015 at 09:04

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You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 07/10/2015 at 09:05

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It is definitely a messy divorce, but regardless of that I agree that the kids do not belong in detention for their actions. There is a better article in the Detroit News , and in that article the 15 year old alleges that the father has hit the mother and that is why he is refusing to have anything to do with him.

Also, reading comprehension fail on my part, I corrected it to show the judge is a woman.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:05

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link?

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You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 09:06

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Definitely a fucked up situation. I found a better article in the Detroit News . Looks like the 15 year old is refusing to see the dad because he witnessed him hitting the mother.

Reading comprehension fail on my part, I edited to correct and show the judge is a woman.

LongbowMkII > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:08

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Is that why he left the country? He’s a piece of shit for allowing this. Full stop. Find a family member or friend for the kids to stay with. There’s not a chance in hell I would ever allow my kids to see the inside of a jail if I could do anything (for this)

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 07/10/2015 at 09:08

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Sure, go nuts.

yamahog > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:11

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My local news, as this is happening in the same county I live in.

“It is equally outrageous and telling that the children’s father has left for a trip to Israel and the children remain in juvenile custody,” Mary Keefe, Executive Director of the MCEDSV, said in a statement.

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i…

Also, contrary to your assertion below, if the mother were to be imprisoned for any reason and the children (who usually have family court appointed advocates) did not want to stay with their father, they would more than likely end up with another family member or possible foster care, but not separated in juvenile detention.

LongbowMkII > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:13

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You quit that job and take care of your kids. This guy has fucked up priorities.

G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 09:15

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I shall call it Karma, as it will royally screw you up.

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:18

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There is a better article regarding the case in the Detroit News . Since there are allegations of violent behavior being made by the 15 year old I find it very reasonable that he would refuse to put himself in a situation that might result in he or his siblings being harmed.

According to the court transcript, the 15-year-old apologized to Gorcyca but said he was not going to apologize to his father because he had done nothing wrong. He also alleged his father was violent and said he had seen him hit his mother, “so I’m not going to talk to him.” Gorcyca reminded the boy that his father had never been charged with any offenses and that he loved his children and wanted to spend time with them.

Obviously this is a divorce case with an unusual amount of animosity between the parents. Even if the allegations of violence were planted by the mother I don’t see how that justifies the kids being punished. If the judge feels it is in the best interest of the children to be removed from the situation their are foster families that would be better suited to achieving that goal than imprisoning the kids in a juvenile detention center and keeping them separated from each other. Even if the judge felt it was in the kids best interest to be separated they could be placed with different foster families. There is just no way you can justify imprisoning kids for the crimes of their parents, and the judge ordered them placed in detention until they turn 18, not for two or three weeks.

LongbowMkII > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 09:20

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OT: Do you own a Blazer now? Or are you a Realtor?

You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 07/10/2015 at 09:21

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According to the Detroit News the 15 year old has alleged that the father is violent and has hit his mother in the past. That would seem to be legitimate justification for refusing to see the father in my eyes. Even if the allegations were planted by the mother and she has poisoned the kids against the father there are better options to remove the kids from the situation. Foster care should be the judges first option if she felt it was in the kids best interest to be removed from the situation.

itschrome > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 09:23

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the blunt end of a fire extinguisher rubbed with ghost pepper sauce

yamahog > LongbowMkII 07/10/2015 at 09:25

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Yup, sold the Jerp and got this bad lad:

And on that note, I slink back to my lair.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > itschrome 07/10/2015 at 09:27

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I like the ghost pepper sauce idea...

itschrome > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 09:28

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Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > itschrome 07/10/2015 at 09:32

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LongbowMkII > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 09:40

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Nice.

davedave1111 > LongbowMkII 07/10/2015 at 09:41

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Eh? What are you talking about? They’re an Israeli family, moved to the US temporarily, when the father - the only earner - got a new job back in Israel, he wanted his family to move home. That’s perfectly normal, so I have no idea what you see wrong there.

Racescort666 > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 09:42

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I definitely think there’s more going on than the articles are saying. Although I agree that the judge probably overstepped her bounds. I would have assumed that child services would have intervened first but what do I know?

shop-teacher > yamahog 07/10/2015 at 09:50

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Nice Blazer!!!

LongbowMkII > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 09:55

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And rather than do the correct thing and fight for his kids to be kept out of jail, he left. “Good luck kids, but if I miss a day of work, I’ll be fired. I hope you understand that me living the life I want is more important than your freedom and well being. See you in 9 years little one!”

davedave1111 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 10:02

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“The fact that she’s being called out on Jezebel is testament to her idiocy.”

Why? Jez is quite happy to slag-off any woman they don’t like.

Really, the hatchet job they did was quite beautiful - the kids were referred to throughout as being the mother’s, as if they only have one parent, and the mother was repeatedly referred to by name whilst the father was never mentioned.

If you really think Jez is anything other than Gawkerite comment-bait...

davedave1111 > LongbowMkII 07/10/2015 at 10:04

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Eh? The father is very sad that he has to support the judge, but he feels it’s in the kids’ best interests. They’re not in juvie because he refuses to see them . Have you understood what this case is about?

cazzyodo > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 10:10

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I actually threw a comment in there yesterday cuz I can empathize with these kids. Fucking miserable to deal with...and that’s before the dipshit judge.

davedave1111 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 10:12

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To what? You could start with the one Yamahog linked below, from the Detroit news, for some more general information:

http://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/i…

The judge then shifted her focus to the children’s mother, Maya Eibschitz-Tsimhoni, telling her that “Your behavior...is unlike anything I’ve ever seen in 46,000 cases,” comparing the mother’s actions to the Charles Manson cult.

Various ‘news’ outlets would of course like you to believe that this is some hideously high-handed judge acting peremptorily or capriciously, but in fact, while the judge’s ruling might be called into question, there’s just no doubt whatsoever that the judge was entirely justified in feeling that this is a particularly extreme case.

LongbowMkII > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 10:17

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Juvie is almost never in the best interest of the children. And it is clear what this case is about. If he cared, he would fight for their freedom even if it meant he still never got to see them again. He needs to put his ego aside and do something about it.

How do you think this will save the dad’s relationship with the kids? I don’t think Hallmark has a “Thanks for letting me go to jail Dad!” card.

shop-teacher > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 10:24

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What the everlasting fuck!?! Even if the father is telling the truth, there is absolutely zero justification for throwing these kids in a detention center. This is a monumental overstepping of authority.

davedave1111 > LongbowMkII 07/10/2015 at 10:44

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“Juvie is almost never in the best interest of the children”

What a silly thing to say. Even if it were true - and obviously it isn’t, or we wouldn’t have juvie in every country in the world - that would still leave open the possibility that this is one of the exceptional cases.

“He needs to put his ego aside and do something about it.”

Seriously, you need to go and read the full reports about this. You’ve clearly got hold of the wrong end of the stick. The dad is the one fighting for the kids’ freedom; the mother is abusing them and he’s trying to end that.

WiscoProud > You can tell a Finn but you can't tell him much 07/10/2015 at 12:00

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If there is any justice in this world, this will be quickly overturned, and the judge reprimanded. I understand her position (kids refused to see father due to mom's influence), but jail is ridiculous.

Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer > davedave1111 07/10/2015 at 12:19

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Thanks.

I’m going to abstain from further discussion on this. It’s just royally fucked up from both sides. I just hope it all works out.

davedave1111 > Smallbear wants a modern Syclone, local Maple Leafs spammer 07/10/2015 at 12:26

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That seems like good advice somsone should have given me a few hours ago :)