Closed cockpit

"415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°)" (415s30) 06/28/2015 at 12:41 • Filed to: F1

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So I keep seeing these, and a lot of the F1 fans are really against it. So I thought I would start a discussion. Is it the tradition that bothers them, not being able to see the driver as well? I’m curious what has some people who have watched F1 for 30+ say they won’t watch anymore if they do this. Will they really stop, I wouldn’t. I would take a formula with flat out racing and less hybrids for the cockpit covering. I say let WEC take the reigns for hybrid system development, F1 will have to change a bit to keep up with the times but I think it should be flat out within the speed limits they have to set. You can’t let people drive as fast as engineers in this day and age can make them go. What about Malaysia? Its going to be hot, I guess they have to run some air vents to keep the driver cool, or AC haha. They want turbo engines, fine, loose the other crap on board that nobody can come into the sport and keep running right. If Honda just had to build a turbo engine and McLaren just had to build the chassis, I think Alonso and Button would be at least hanging with RBR this year, and Renault would better off as well. Rob Smedley said the cockpit is easy engineering wise, WRC gets guys out of the car quick, I don’t know what you do with an F1 car flipped over and pinning the canopy down, you have the air intake above that gives some space, but it’s not as easy as the WRC side entry. They feel like there has so be some danger, well I think there still is, we had a death really, I am not so sure Jules will ever be ok, unfortunately. We have had a couple mountings and what if Alonso or Kimi were killed? I guess if we can have certain things in the racing/formula/tech side then I won’t revolt if they did this.

Axial > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 12:48

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Think of how awesome it would be with sliding canopies. Getting into an F1 car would suddenly become almost as cool as climbing into the cockpit of a fighter jet.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 12:54

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Oh man that looks so cool

blacktruck18 > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 12:59

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F1 should do this, it looks awesome. Also it could add an extra layer of safety for the drivers. If they didn’t set it up right it could be harder to get out in the event of a flip.

m2m, apex detective > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:00

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It’s not going to make them slower.

It’s going to look sweet.

I don’t see why anyone should be agains closed cockpits; especially after several incidents of people catching debris with their face/head.

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:02

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That’s exactly the point that needs to be made when we talk about canopies. If it’s a safety thing that will let the FIA chill out a little and give the cars some room to run, we should all embrace it. Imagine what these current cars could do with limited total fuel but no flow restriction, a respectable redline, and tires that aren’t made out of soggy cardboard.

Looking as badass as every 5 year old thinks a race car should look is just a nice bonus.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > m2m, apex detective 06/28/2015 at 13:03

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It would actually be better for the aero dept, I think Adrian Newey has dreams about these. The helmet and cockpit area creates a bad spot.

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:03

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I think it looks brilliant. I’m sure it adds safety and extra aerodynamic properties as well. As long as they keep the glass clear I’ll be good with it. Not a fan of P1 and the tinted glass

this is not matt farah's foxbodymiata > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:04

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Newey has wet dreams about eliminating a big gaping hole with a head that moves around sticking up out of it getting the way of his nice smooth laminar flow.

ttyymmnn > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:06

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They look cool, but I think they are a bad idea. Yes, they would have prevented Massa’s injury. But in a crash like Bianchi’s, it would have been just that much more material, possibly jagged, smashing into his face. It may also increase the time it takes for an F1 driver to exit the cockpit in case of emergency (by rule, they must be able to exit the cockpit in 5 seconds, with another 5 seconds allowed to re-attach the steering wheel). And if the driver is incapacitated, it’s one more layer that the rescue crew must go through to reach the driver.

m2m, apex detective > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:19

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The forces exerted on the driver’s head/neck area are quite demanding, too. I think people could do without those.

Gabor Vajda (@Gabor_V) > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 13:21

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Some F1 fans are just the worst in the world and I mean it. And I don’t think of the hardcore driver fans who think a race is shit because their favourite didn’t win.

Some of the geeky traditionalist people are freaking me out. I raised a point on a forum a few years ago that drivers should be able to choose their own numbers (that was before it was made available) and received a shitstorm of comments that F1 wasn’t NASCAR and that shouldn’t be done. I was like “dude, chill, it’s just a number and the easiest touch to make F1 a bit more personal” and they went on nagging about tradition and stuff.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Gabor Vajda (@Gabor_V) 06/28/2015 at 14:43

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Yeah it gets a little nuts. I just hope they find a good balance with the things that matter.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > ttyymmnn 06/28/2015 at 14:47

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Yeah I see a problem with that too, I would say eject the canopy if it rolled or whatever but then the canopy is a projectile, might hit another car or marshal. I was thinking maybe some kind of windshield in the front and a single sort of roll bar/strip that went over the head leaving the sides open. Still have to remove that, maybe just getting the open cockpit as safe as we can is the only option.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Axial 06/28/2015 at 14:48

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Yeah but that the least feasible option since the car could roll over, its a problem for any configuration.

gmporschenut also a fan of hondas > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 06/28/2015 at 19:34

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Bring them

samssun > m2m, apex detective 06/30/2015 at 23:58

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Those are G-forces, I don’t think the wind contributes much even at full speed.

m2m, apex detective > samssun 07/01/2015 at 03:01

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Fair enough ... but have you tried turning your helmeted head on a bike at speed once?

samssun > m2m, apex detective 07/01/2015 at 03:08

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Nope, last time I was on a bike at speed I was young enough to be invincible and not need a helmet. But I’m guessing it’s like a dog with his head out the car window :-)