Can someone explain something to me

"sm70- why not Duesenberg?" (sm70-whynotduesenberg) 04/22/2015 at 14:11 • Filed to: None

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The Toyota Hilux is well-known as the toughest, pluckiest, most reliable, and most dependable pickup truck the world over. The Land Cruiser, its SUV sibling, shares this reputation, even in the current lumbering Hamptons Cruiser version we get in the U.S. Even the Tacoma, the US “equivalent”, enjoys a known image of durability and capability on and off-road. And then there’s the Tundra. While it doesn’t offer NEARLY the range of configurations and options of its American competitors, it is still a member of this same illustrious family, and it’s still a tough vehicle. Why, then, do we not associate (at least from what I’ve seen) the Tundra with the Land Cruiser and Hilux, and instead simply class it with the gargantuan Sequoia that shares its platform? I can see where one might not include the Sequoia in this legendary family tree, but how come the Tundra also seems to be left out?

Sorry for the unusually horrible sentence structure, my brain is multitasking.

For Sweden > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:18

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The Hilux is tough, but you never see it towing a boat or fifth-wheel trailer.

Misunderstood your post. You never see the Tundra with an anti-tank weapon taped to the roof.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > For Sweden 04/22/2015 at 14:19

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Meaning?

SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:19

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Because you can’t get it with a diesel, and full sized trucks should have diesels.

Milky > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:20

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Cuz no HD bruh.

For Sweden > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:20

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I edited my post to fix the high derp concentration.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 04/22/2015 at 14:21

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That is probably a big part of it. I’ve never understood why it’s just two cabs, two beds, and a couple engines. Some of the American ones seem like they have almost a dozen engine options.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > For Sweden 04/22/2015 at 14:22

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Fair enough, but the current LC and Tacoma still have the “built toyota tough” reputation, even if they are just riding coattails.

For Sweden > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:23

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agreed

Sethersm > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:27

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I would speculate because it is a product of the American marketplace. It was made to compete directly with other full size American trucks and as such, just as bloated as other full size American trucks. It has no worldwide proven history of being a reliable, tough-as-nails truck. It is a product made for a US consumer, not one made as a utilitarian vehicle for the world.

HammerheadFistpunch > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:31

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The full size truck market is tough. Thing with the Tunrda is, that it doesn’t actually share much with the Land Cruiser or Hilux lines. The Tacoma is a bit of an anomaly in that it is also built here for the US market but has a repuations. The Tacoma has the advantage of not having to have play top trump numbers so its okay for them to play it conservative mechanically to maintain high levels of reliability. That’s not the say that the Tundra isn’t reliable, though it is harder to maintain “industructable” levels of performance when you have to push the envelope out each generation. Also, a reputation is earned; The Land Cruiser and Hilux earned theirs. The Tacoma earned its reputation. Earning a rep like that in the FS truck market is tough, if not impossible. I mean, find me 100 truck owners and I will find you 100 different opinions on who’s truck is best and why.

nermal > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 04/22/2015 at 14:36

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That doesn’t seem to slow down sales of 1/2 ton trucks when there is only one diesel engine available in one truck compared to about a dozen different gas engines.

WiscoProud > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 14:38

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The LC isn't riding coattails. Its still very overbuilt compared to its competition. For instance the Tundra and LC share suspension and drivetrain options (some engines at least). While our version is decked out in options, you can still get a utilitarian versions in other markets. Pull up Toyota Australia's page for instance.

WiscoProud > HammerheadFistpunch 04/22/2015 at 14:39

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The Tundra shares more with the 200 series than past models did. I believe they share a drive train and front suspension. Although it could be like the prior tundra and LC, where the tundra got cast engine internals, and the LC got forged.

Based on the world market nature of the LC vs. the US only Tundra, I would presume the Tundra got LC parts, rather than the LC getting Tundra parts.

HammerheadFistpunch > WiscoProud 04/22/2015 at 14:44

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The frames are similar in design (though the Lc is fully boxed and a claimed 20% stronger) and they have the same engine and trans... but that’s it

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > SidewaysOnDirt still misses Bowie 04/22/2015 at 14:52

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That’s confirmed to change in the near future. #CUMMINSPOWER #SOOTLIFE #TUNDRA

WiscoProud > HammerheadFistpunch 04/22/2015 at 15:11

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I believe the front strut suspension and the rear axle (differential, probably not the housing) are the same as well, but you're right. There isn't much compatibility. But compared to the 100 and first gen Tundra, where almost nothing of consequence was the same, they're closer.

HammerheadFistpunch > WiscoProud 04/22/2015 at 15:13

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Rear axle is different, unsure on the front

WiscoProud > HammerheadFistpunch 04/22/2015 at 15:18

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I found a thread on ExPo that says the front diff is the same, but you're right about the rear. For some reason I though the 200 series had the 10.5", but it looks like they retained the 9.5".

472CID > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 04/22/2015 at 15:21

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I don’t know if the Hilux would have any extra special reputation for durability if not for those Top Gear episodes. Land Cruisers just have a good reputation for making Land Rovers look bad.

Your boy, BJR > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 05/11/2015 at 16:12

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Because it’s less “work truck” and more “twerk truck”

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > Your boy, BJR 05/11/2015 at 18:00

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Dat flex