Shit, Pilot Super Sports Are Good.

"Milky" (jordanmielke) 04/21/2015 at 22:48 • Filed to: Pilot Super Sport, Crossfire, V70R, Abarth

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Excuse the language, but I’ve never had summer tires and after some twisties … shit they grip good. Even with wider 275s that clearly have no problem with 215hp. I really want to go autocross now.

And just because our cars are never actually parked by each other, heres some of the crew.

Justin Hughes > Milky 04/21/2015 at 22:53

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These tires have turned my BRZ into a completely new car!

Nick George > Milky 04/21/2015 at 22:56

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They’re the only tires I will ever buy. My first experience was putting them on my BRZ, which transformed the car. I currently have them on my F30 328i and also my mom’s VW GLI.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Milky 04/21/2015 at 22:57

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275 section is way too much tire for just 215bhp

Nibby > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:00

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dat volvo wagon doe <3

Milky > Nick George 04/21/2015 at 23:02

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Well I am certainly a believer now. Not going to say the “only” tires I’ll buy, but hell, I might be close to that.

Milky > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 04/21/2015 at 23:05

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Says who? A main reason I got the car is so I would grip and quit drifting (read: crashing). Stock is 255 on a 9” rim that gets the car to 1.0g on a skidpad …. so whats wrong with moar grip?

Milky > Nibby 04/21/2015 at 23:06

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More like

dat turbo 5 doe <3

yamahog > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:13

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Yo, first autocross of the season this Sunday at MIS. get it.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:15

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more weight. take longer to get up to temp. more prone to hydroplaning (though tyre manufactures account for this with water channeling) higher cost. shorter life.

Did you try 255 Super Sports?

That said, it’s more to do with the weight of your car than straight out HP. you use the tyres while braking into the corners as much as accelerating. If you need more grip you need more grip.

Jayhawk Jake > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:19

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Sticky tires are the bomb.

I wonder how the Pilot Super Sports compare to my Ventus RS3s

Milky > yamahog 04/21/2015 at 23:19

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Shit that came up fast. Uh I’ll find out why my brakes squeak this weekend and order a helmet soon.

I’ll make the next one …. yea, next one.

Milky > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 04/21/2015 at 23:31

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I feel like the weight and the longer to temp difference would be minuscule at best. But I don’t know crap to be honest, because I’ve never had any summer tire before. Car had new all seasons when I got it and the old car spent its time sideways, so cheapest tire = best tire.

What I do know is I’ve been around the 255’s limits and got a deal on these. So maybe a better question is ‘why not?’

Axial > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:33

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275 summer tires

Potential for grip problems with 215 HP and 230 lb. ft.

Seeing your other post in the comments, how were you drifting with 255s? Did you try 255 summer performance tires, first? You generally want to avoid increasing mass in your wheels when you can.

Milky > Jayhawk Jake 04/21/2015 at 23:33

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They’re my first summer tire, so I have no clue.

But feel free to wear through that tribal fire graphic at any time.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > Milky 04/21/2015 at 23:42

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when autocrossing the weight and temp difference will be noticeable.

...but you’re not autocrossing all the time, so as long as you’re happy then you’ve got nothing to worry about.

275 is still crazy wide for 215hp. It should stick like the proverbial excrement to the proverbial blanket.

Milky > Axial 04/21/2015 at 23:46

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Drifted my old car and I can’t remember tire sizes on it.

But nope first performance tire I’ve owned, I’ll elaborate more because fuck it I guess.

Car had new all seasons, wore through this fall, got some extreme all season fronts (235 instead of 225) and some blizzaks for the rear. Was going to buy some rear lower quality summer tires for like $415 from discount tire or $395 from tire rack plus shipping. But was able to get these 275s PSS’ for $450. Impulse brain said “hell thats close enough and these are better.”

Milky > beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard 04/21/2015 at 23:54

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The only thing Crossfire’s are good at (besides looks imo) is grip …. so I’m just trying to get more of it.

My view on tires/wheel sizes.

*also I got 2 for $450, not their $670 retail.

Axial > Milky 04/22/2015 at 00:09

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Brand and model of tire?

I mean, if you want a decently grippy summer tire that won’t break the bank, the Continental Extreme Contact DW are nice. Not super cheap, but not anywhere close to $1200 for a full set, either. The less expensive Nitto NT555 aren’t bad, either, but they are directional.

But yeah, I don’t think you made a bad choice given the conditions, just that it is a bit overkill. The LT4 I have has an OEM size of 285 in the rear, the same width that the C7 features, despite being down 130 HP and 120 lb. ft. to the newer car. The ZR-1 has 315 in the rear, and is still down by 85 HP and 85 lb. ft. One of the differentiators is overall diameter. I’ve got 17-inch wheels on my cars, which means a smaller contact patch on 285s versus a 20 inch wheel with the same width of tire (as on the C7).

TL;DR: you’ve got some super meaty tires.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/22/2015 at 00:11

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I was going to find wheels/tires for some combo with PSSes but they made me illegal for most street classes. I ended up settling on some BFGoodrich rubber that gets used on the Octane Academy cars. I found out why - they grip almost as well in the wet as they do in the dry. So hopefully it rains a lot this summer and I can capitalize on that factor lol. But I do miss my 200TW summers. So. Much. Grip.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/22/2015 at 00:22

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Ignore them. Your handling has changed since you’re on 275s instead of 255s but it isn’t likely to ruin you or anything. Not like going from 255 to 355 would with nothing else modified. Just keep an eye on things in the rain and cold.

TheOnelectronic > Jayhawk Jake 04/22/2015 at 00:34

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Sick Tire Tattoo, brah.

samssun > Milky 04/22/2015 at 00:49

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If your Crossfire is on 275s, you’re pretty much obligated to throw on the SRT supercharger.

PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power > Milky 04/22/2015 at 01:33

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I run pilot sport A/S3's (the AS version of the Super Sport) and holy fuck, they made the GLI a new car! it corners like a fucking racecar because of 'em

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > Milky 04/22/2015 at 03:41

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Psssshh....

325/45-17...

big eagle > Milky 04/22/2015 at 04:22

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I just picked up a xfire. It needs different wheels and tires. I’ll definitely look into pilot super sports.

This is me getting some ice cream on Woodward last weekend.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Milky 04/22/2015 at 07:40

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Says me. That chassis was made to handle more power where 275s make sense. With that size tire you’re wasting even more acceleration because of the increased contact, not even mentioning the other rolling resistance effects Rikerbeard has expounded upon

nafsucof > Jayhawk Jake 04/22/2015 at 07:44

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I know tread wear numbers aren’t An absolute but their number is 300 and I believe your ventus are extreme summer tires at 200. I just bought a set of similarly numbered bfg rivals which should also be much stickier than the pilot super sports.

nafsucof > Milky 04/22/2015 at 07:50

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http://media.caranddriver.com/files/2004-chr…

How do you figure it pulls a g?

Milky > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! 04/22/2015 at 09:17

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Damn thats some meat! Also …. V8, so that makes sense.

Milky > Axial 04/22/2015 at 09:24

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Even 2 of those Continental Extreme Contact DW s are $436 shipped from tire rack, and they’re 4th in class according to tire rack. I only spent $14 more and got the #1 ranked in class tire.

Meats is what I wanted.

Milky > samssun 04/22/2015 at 09:25

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BRB gonna go pick one up. Wish someone would of told me a head of time that adding 3/4” tire meant I’d have to have 115 more hp :(

Milky > big eagle 04/22/2015 at 09:27

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Honestly they’re not cheap I only have them because I got a deal.

Also … Damnit theres another oppo/metro detroiter with a Crossfire?! Maybe I’ll see ya around.

V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! > Milky 04/22/2015 at 09:39

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Makes close to 500 at the crank.

Milky > nafsucof 04/22/2015 at 09:39

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wiki isn't the most reputable source and I don't know where they got the info, but its there.

Milky > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/22/2015 at 09:41

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Tires can make you illegal for street classes? Uh whoops. But 200TW seems like you be going through tires a lot.

nafsucof > Milky 04/22/2015 at 09:41

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Hmm my only concern with tires that big in back is how are the fronts and what are they? Too much rear grip will upset the balance and without the power to spin them to rotate you could have added some understeer

Milky > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/22/2015 at 09:43

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Lol as soon as you say that it fucking snows …… Michigan.

But yea Im not worried, its 3/4” … thats not going to kill anyone.

Milky > PetarVN, GLI Guy, now with stupid power 04/22/2015 at 09:44

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Exactly! I was so excited I made a oppo post, lol.

Milky > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 04/22/2015 at 09:52

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Eh I’ll take what the acceleration loss is just on looks of fitment alone.

Speaking of that I have a friend that put these on a E36 M3 …. wheres your tire god now?

(sorry for shit cropping, taken from instagram and I didn’t want them kinja’d small)

Milky > V8Demon - Prefers Autos for drag racing. Fite me! 04/22/2015 at 10:05

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But if Im honest its not even the HP, its the noise that makes me jelly.

Milky > nafsucof 04/22/2015 at 10:10

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Cant remember of the top of my head but some 235 extreme all seasons. But I wouldn’t say “added” understeer, I also have more front grip than before just not near as much as the rear.

Obviously I’ll find out when I go autocross where the understeer is, but after a twisty road session all I could feel was grip . Thats really all I wanted.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/22/2015 at 10:31

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Actually I meant 140. 140TW is stock on the FiST and the PSS tires don’t come in a 16 or 17” 215 or 205 width. At least, none I could find. Any wider than 215 and it’s illegal for the street class since 205 is stock.

Side note - the 140TW tires lasted about 12k miles.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Milky 04/22/2015 at 10:52

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that’s just dumb

Milky > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/22/2015 at 10:53

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Damn 12k miles! The shit all seasons I had took 35k miles to wear through. Im surprised Ford sells it with those tires.

Milky > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman 04/22/2015 at 11:06

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One mans wrong fitment is another mans dream.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Milky 04/22/2015 at 11:21

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They were the bare minimum treadwear to be eligible for street classes in SCCA events. That’s why. You could literally go to a dealership, get a FiST, then go to an event that same day and clean house in GS. But now you need 200TW minimum so you need to buy new tires.

michael bleggi > Milky 04/22/2015 at 11:30

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i have 285hp in a 3400lb car, and with good 225s, i really can’t get the car to break traction... did u look into different kinds of tires instead of just going wider?

Milky > michael bleggi 04/22/2015 at 11:49

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Car has 255’s stock and I was able to get these for only like $20 more than just good summer tires. Worth it.

Milky > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 04/22/2015 at 11:49

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Ha well I guess that makes sense.

big eagle > Milky 04/22/2015 at 13:29

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Nice!! I’ll keep an eye out for you.

Axial > Milky 04/22/2015 at 15:20

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Two? Wat? Mine were ~$167 per tire.

Milky > Axial 04/22/2015 at 15:49

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$204 for my size plus shipping VS the $225 I paid for the PSSes.

Paid $7 more for 3/4” inch more width and a better tire (according to tire racks’ “best in class”).

Sweet Trav > Milky 04/22/2015 at 19:04

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Brakes Shmakes.... I’m running the Monte (i think)

samssun > Milky 04/22/2015 at 19:38

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Pretty sure it’s a law.

Milky > samssun 04/23/2015 at 09:13

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Milky > Sweet Trav 04/23/2015 at 10:16

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Nice. That would be worth going for …. but I also have a couple boozee-y nights planned for this weekend. Don’t want to be held accountable for getting up early.