"Fl1ngstam" (Fl1ngstam)
04/13/2015 at 18:23 • Filed to: None
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"Fl1ngstam" (Fl1ngstam)
04/13/2015 at 18:23 • Filed to: None | 3
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1. Porsche
OK, so nobody else was playing this game, but Porsche pulled out all the stops. Every racing driver is assigned a personalised bicycle with their first name and national flag on the frame to use at the track. It has an aluminium/aluminum alloy frame, disc brakes, hub gears and a belt drive.
If you’re a team member not at the peak of physical perfection, the electrically-assisted (“Leg-Electic Hybrid”, I guess) bikes are at the back, their charging transformers humming away.
I say no other team was playing this game, but Nissan have recruited Sir Chris Hoy, 8-times Olympic cycling gold medallist to drive for them in ELMS LMP3 this year. He had his own bicycle, and could easily lap Silverstone on it faster than any of the Porsche boys, regardless of what they were riding. He even employed his NISMO Hoy-brid to give the LM GT-R show cars a bit of a tow:
Sam
> Fl1ngstam
04/13/2015 at 18:34 |
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This makes me wonder if a bike racer could lap faster than a P1 car. Is there any data on this?
Also, does that say "Porsche Bike S"?
Devon lost his burner, understands electric cars don't require front grilles
> Fl1ngstam
04/13/2015 at 18:39 |
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May Chris have better luck than at Goodwood.
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Fl1ngstam
> Sam
04/13/2015 at 18:39 |
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I was referring to a bicycle vs bicycle race.
However, the same track layout at Silverstone is used for WEC, F1 and MotoGP, so they're very comparable in that sense.
Pole Position lap time in last year's Moto GP was 2.00 (Marc Marquez)
Pole Position lap time for this weekend's WEC was 1.39 (Mark Webber)
Pole Position lap time in last year's F1 race was 1:35 (Nico Rosberg)
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Fl1ngstam
> Devon lost his burner, understands electric cars don't require front grilles
04/13/2015 at 18:42 |
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He won his class in the ELMS race (along with co-driver Charlie Roberston), so I guess you could say he did OK!
Bluecold
> Fl1ngstam
04/13/2015 at 18:43 |
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Those are terrible bicycles. How can I tell?
-hub gear, like a city bike
-Frame like a mountain bike
-Handlebars like a mountain bike
-Tires for tarmac, like a racing or city bike
-Sculpted, unsuspensioned frame, like a racing bike
-No fenders, like a racing bike
-No chain/belt guard, like racing/mountain bike
-Disc brakes, like mountain bike
-Not enough positive saddle-to-bar drop to be a mountain/racing bike, waaay too much to be a comfortable city bike
-city bike pedals
-REFLECTORS LIKE A DAMN KIDS BIKE
One bike can't do it all. If you try, you end up with an incoherent mess of a bike. This bike has no stated goal, no stated users. Just a mashed-together collection of fancy parts, by someone understanding fuckall of bicycles, unbefitting of the name Porsche or German aspirations of gründlichkeit.
As can also be seen by Sir Chris Hoy, eschewing the setup of Porsche bicycles for something befitting his stature.
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Fl1ngstam
> Bluecold
04/13/2015 at 18:45 |
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These bikes are purely for posing around the paddock/circuit on. You can bet that all the drivers have a collection of far more useable and competitive machinery for training/riding purposes. They would do quite well to race each other on their own bikes (until Chris joins in and leaves them all for dead).
tromoly
> Fl1ngstam
04/13/2015 at 20:58 |
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MotoGP uses a slightly tighter version of the Chapel corner, adding a tiny bit of time to their lap. Just a random factoid relevant to your post.
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tromoly
> Bluecold
04/13/2015 at 21:13 |
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Specialized Sirrus Comp Disc. Is the same as the Porsche bikes aside from the traditional drivetrain, listed as a Multi-Use bike.
No fenders, no chain guard, flat bars, disc brakes, "slick" tires, flat pedals.
Also, seat and handlebar height/position is dependant on rider size/fitting, to say it's wrong for someone who is unseen based purely on a picture is ignorant.
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Bluecold
> tromoly
04/14/2015 at 05:03 |
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Having your handlebars down low lowers the center of gravity which improves handling and lowers aerodynamic drag. For more speed, you generally go down as far as you can go without experiences discomfort.
Everybody on a well fitted racing bike has some seat-handlebar drop, barring egregious back or hip problems, same goes for mountain bikes, but you need a higher bar to wrestle your front wheel around.
City bikes are about maximizing comfort, and not ruining your clothes. So you sit up like on a bar stool.
A multi-use bike does not exist. You just end up with a crap bike. You can't join a bunch ride, you can't use it for errands, you can't use it off-road.
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tromoly
> Bluecold
04/14/2015 at 11:30 |
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Multi-Use biks are what the rider makes of them. The Surly Cross Check is a good example. I commuted to College on one for two years, made trips to the liquor store, have done 30+ mile road rides, and some off-roading on a box-stock bike with drop bars and everything.
My brother built his Cross Check with flat bars, 1x10 gearing, panniers and racks all around, and uses it to commute every day, grocery shopping, did a 1600-ish mile trip from New Orleans to Florida carrying 100 pounds of gear, and this coming winter plans to swap the bars for drops and remove racks/panniers and go cyclocross racing with everything else the same.
Hell, if you really want to talk about Multi-Use, we put on a gravel ride last year with two loops (126 miles and 10,000 feet elevation change, and a shorter 72 miles with 6,000-ish feet elevation change) and a bunch of people showed up to do the 72-mile loop on Surly Pugsley and Salsa Mukluk fat bikes. And the guy who "won" the 126-mile loop was on a Specialized Tarmac Carbon road bike, definitely not a "gravel" bike. And there was a dozen or so "normal" mountain bikes out there, with the rest filled with Cyclocross/Gravel bikes. So quite a variety for a ride that would say "use a gravel bike."
Are bikes built to specialize in a certain area? Absolutely, I wouldn't take my Cross Check on a downhill run, juast as I wouldn't take my S&M L.A.F. BMX bike on a road ride. But really it's up to the rider of the bike to saw what its purpose is for, only that rider can decide.
Oh, for your seat example, I have a 34-inch inseam and the seat on my Surly Karate Monkey 29er is in around the same position relative to the handlebars as the 29er shown in the pictures, and I've had a proper fitting done to determine my seat height. I would post a picture, but would probably be told my seat is in the wrong position based on the picture.
Clown Shoe Pilot
> tromoly
04/16/2015 at 09:01 |
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At COTA, we use the same course for all 3 series. The only thing we do is swap the height of the kerbs, no corners get modified.
MotoGP - 2:02.135
WEC (Audi LMP1) - 1:47.868
F1 - 1:39.347
mwoodski
> Fl1ngstam
04/16/2015 at 18:41 |
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Should compare the 2013 pole time for F1, it was raining/damp last year for F1 Q's.
ztatum
> Bluecold
04/28/2015 at 20:08 |
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no stated purpose? the porsche bikes are representative of a relatively new product category called urban commuters. they are comfortable and clean enough to ride in work clothes (hence the belt drive and rear hub with internal gears), yet durable enough to withstand city use (hence the mountain geometry and relatively wide-section rims). They are ideal for this purpose and sell incredibly well.
The trend began with food delivery guys in NYC who would take mountain bike frames and fit them with road components.
Not sure where your analysis came from.