Ethnographical conundrum

"Cé hé sin" (michael-m-mouse) 03/21/2015 at 16:05 • Filed to: Spain

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If an American encounters the Spanish language it's most likely to be spoken by someone described as a Hispanic, who's regarded as being distinct from white Americans.

If I encounter Spanish it'll be spoken by a Spaniard (you know, Real Madrid, paella and Pegasos)

So, is a Spaniard deemed to be "white" or "Hispanic" in America?

Have a Pegaso for your time.

For Sweden > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:06

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The Spaniard would be both.

Cé hé sin > For Sweden 03/21/2015 at 16:09

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Does Not Compute. It's like being simultaneously Swedish and Norwegian.

KatzManDu > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:10

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If an American encounters people speaking Spanish in the USA, it is likely someone of Latin American or Hispanic origin speaking the language. I think that's what you're going for. But, until you know where the person is from you don't know their ethnic identity. Although if they speak with the Castilian Lisp it's pretty obvious where they are from.

Someone is a Spaniard if they're from Spain.

ranwhenparked > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:13

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I would say that people from Spain would be generally regarded as white, as are many from Latin America (the census form has a "white Hispanic" category, and demographic data is broken down to show "total" white and non-Hispanic white in each area).

For Sweden > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:16

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Hispanic = of Spanish descent, including Spaniards

Latino = someone descended from the Iberian diaspora in the Americas

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:20

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That just does not work, nope nope nope.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:26

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As someone who's entire family has come from Spain, the correct answer is "yes." We're white, because... well, because I'm white. We're light skinned people from Europe, so we're white. But the term Hispanic refers to people from Spain or Spanish-speaking countries. The tricky part is that Hispanic on something like the SATs really means Latino/a, which I am not.

Also, I've driven that car before. Just around the parking lot, but still. Not many people can say they've driven the only 1951 Pegaso z-102 Cabriolet. The owner has since painted it a lighter blue. It's not as attractive anymore, unfortunately.

yamahog > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:31

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One can be white or black and Latina/o. From my understanding, colorism is problematic among some Latino/a communities, for example black Dominicans and native Mexicans/Puerto Ricans being discriminated against by their white counterparts (Latinas/os of Oppo, feel free to clarify).

Anyhow. In America or Europe, a white Spaniard would probably identify as a white Spaniard.

sm70- why not Duesenberg? > SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) 03/21/2015 at 16:41

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Do tell more.

Party-vi > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 16:44

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I would not call a Spaniard Hispanic because I don't think it's a correct use of the term. I had imagined that the term Hispanic was used to describe peoples with a historical link to Spain, but not Spanish people themselves. I never heard the term when I lived there, nor when it was being described.

potentialthreat > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 17:09

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funfact; the windshield on that pegaso is 30k

Short-throw Granny Shifter is 2 #blessed 2b stressed > Cé hé sin 03/21/2015 at 17:15

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What is even more confusing is the demonym Spanish is sometime used colloquially here in the US (especially in the eastern cities) to refer any Spanish speaking person, regardless of origin. You end up with place names like "Spanish Harlem" which is historically a Puerto Rican neighborhood.

You may even here someone say "he/she is Spanish" when they are Dominican, or Colombian or something.

Cé hé sin > potentialthreat 03/21/2015 at 17:19

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Made individually by hand? I'm not surprised.

SmoresTM Has No Chill (O==[][]==O) > sm70- why not Duesenberg? 03/21/2015 at 17:38

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My grandfather has a high end restoration shop in Connecticut, and this has been in a number of times. The owner has a seriously impressive collection. There's not much to tell. I worked there for a few summers and we had to pull most of the cars in and out of the shop in the morning and at the end of the day. This car stayed inside 99% of the time, but one day the owner wanted to take it out and drive it around for a couple of hours, so I pulled it out the shop for him.

The car is very interesting, but when they restored it the owner wanted them to paint it a lighter blue, which was the original color but is not my personal preference. The interior looks great though.

It looks like this now:

Check out that shift knob. It looks super uncomfortable, but it actually hits your hand pretty well.

As a little aside: The windshield needed to be replaced as the original one had a few too many chips and imperfections. Anyone want to guess how much it cost the shop to get a new one?

Here's a little article of the process, if anyone's interested http://www.automotiverestorations.com/ari/portfolio/…