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Like the manual transmission the number of V8 engines is rapidly shrinking, to the point it may disappear some day. So lets have a look at what V8s are available today in the home of the brave V8, the USA.
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First off it's the non luxury cars (lets say sub~$60k). The good 'ol pony car trio are still representing V8s just fine. The Dodge Charger and low volume Chevy SS are keeping the V8 sedan alive and well, no more Chrysler 300 V8 though . Interesting Hyundai and Kia are now representing the V8 better than a lot of other companies.
Ford Mustang - $32k - 435hp
Dodge Challenger - $32k - 375hp+
Dodge Charger - $33k - 370hp+
Chevrolet Camaro - $34k - 426hp+
Chevrolet SS (Super Sport) - $46k - 415hp
Chrysler 300 $45k
Hyundai Genesis - $51k - 420hp
Chevrolet Corvette - $53k - 455hp+
Kia K900 - $54k - 420hp
Hyundai Equus - $62k - 429hp
For entry level sports sedan/coupes Lexus, Mercedes and Audi still offer NA V8s. It seems likely that all of them will move to turbo V6s next generation, or possibly turbo V8s. BMW and Cadillac are going the route of turbo 6s and if Infiniti ever gets into the game they will too.
Lexus RC F - $62k - 467hp
Mercedes C63 AMG - $63k - 451hp
Cadillac CTS-V coupe - $71k - 556hp
Audi RS5 - $71k - 450hp
Midsize luxury cars used to be champions of V8s. Today however, the crowd is getting thinned. Mercedes seems to be phasing out the 550 models (no 550 sedans), leaving only the AMG with eight cylinders. You wont find a V8 in a Cadillac CTS or Lexus GS, but both will have one in their upcoming performance models (CTS-V and GS-F).
Mercedes E550 coupe/63 AMG - $60k - 402hp
Infiniti Q70 - $63k - 420hp
Audi S6 - $71k - 450hp
BMW 550/M5 - $73k - 443hp
Jaguar XF/XFR - $73k - 470hp
Mercedes CLS - $73k
Audi S7/RS7- $84k
BMW 650/M6 - $97k
Full size luxury is an eight cylinder stronghold, and likely will be for years to come.
Lexus LS460 - $73k
Audi A8/S8 - $90k
Mercedes S - $94k
BMW 750 - $95k
Jaguar XJ/XJR - $97k
Porsche Panamera - $114k
Maserati Quattroporte - $144
The number of V8 sports and supercars actually seems to be growing, possibly at the cost of V10 and V12 cars.
Aston Martin Vantage
Audi R8
Bentley Continental/Flying Spur
Bentley Mulsanne
Ferrari California
Ferrari 458
Jaguar F Type
Maserait Gran Turismo
McLaren 650S
McLaren P1
Mercedes SLK 55 AMG
Mercedes SL
Mercedes AMG GT
Porsche 918
How about engines with more than eight cylinders? It's a pretty small pool. For deca-cylinder vehicles there's the iconic Viper and the VAG cousins. I'm thinking it's only a matter of time before the R8 replaces the V10 with a turbo eight.
Dodge Viper
Audi R8
Lamborghini Huracan
There's still a handful of twelve cylinder cars roaming the land.
Aston Martin V12 Vantage
Aston Martin DB9
Aston Martin Vanquish
Audi A8
BMW 760
Ferrari FF
Ferrari F12
Ferrari LaFerrari
Bentley Continental/Flying Spur
Lamborghini Aventador
Mercedes S
Mercedes SL
Aston Martin Rapide
This list is cars only, no trucks/suvs/cuvs, because I think that's more interesting. I've left off boutique manufacturers, the kind of car makers who sell less than 20 units per year in the states. Notable examples: Morgan, Nobel, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bugatti, Hennessey, etc. So what did I miss? what's inaccurate?
505Turbeaux
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 12:55 |
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fix that "click for full resolution" image please. Sharing to Oppositeblog regardless though
Supercharged-V8-Jag
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 12:56 |
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For Sweden
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 12:56 |
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Dodge Challenger - $38k - 485hp+
What about the Challenger R/T starting around $32k?
BigBlock440
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 12:57 |
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no more Chrysler 300 V8 though
Wat? There's no current SRT, but the 5.7 is still an option.
BeaterGT
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 12:57 |
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So depressing. But it would be interesting to see the same list as of 1970.
NeilR
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:01 |
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Maserati's V8 is. So. Pretty.
itschrome
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:03 |
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Cadillac CTS-V?
G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:04 |
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Nice list. However, Merc does offer a 6-cylinder SL in the US.
lone_liberal
> BigBlock440
03/05/2015 at 13:07 |
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Just coming to say that. It's a shame there isn't an SRT but the 5.7 version very much exists.
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472CID
> For Sweden
03/05/2015 at 13:10 |
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Yeah most websites omitted it for some reason, but it's on Dodges though, fixed.
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472CID
> G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
03/05/2015 at 13:11 |
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Most of these cars offer six cylinders
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472CID
> BeaterGT
03/05/2015 at 13:12 |
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I can't think of many American cars that didn't offer a V8 in the 1960s. (Corvair and Jeep that's all I've got)
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472CID
> lone_liberal
03/05/2015 at 13:14 |
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It's not on Chrysler's website...
edit: I found it it's a bit hidden.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:18 |
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*cough*W12 is still 12 cylinders*cough*
And Audi will sell you one in the US. Starting at $138K
mr2gud2u
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:19 |
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I have always been a staunch supporter of V8s. I hate that they are going away. I dont k ow if the next car I buy will even have a V8. Yeah yeah I know the 2.0L turbo feed engines are all the rage, but they frankly they sound like shit.(except boxers) For me sound and performance go hand and hand.
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BeaterGT
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:21 |
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Haha yea it'd be more of an exclusion list than inclusion.
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KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:23 |
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Yes it is. You just aren't seeing it, because their site is goofed in Chrome:
BEST-IN-CLASS V8 HORSEPOWER AND TORQUE
For Best-in-Class horsepower and torque+ you can choose the legendary 5.7L HEMI® V8 engine with Fuel Saver Technology, available on Chrysler 300S, 300C and 300C Platinum RWD models. It produces 363 horsepower and 394 lb-ft of torque.
http://www.chrysler.com/en/300/
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472CID
> itschrome
03/05/2015 at 13:23 |
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We're kind of between Vs at the moment, but I guess Cadillac still lists the old coupe as a 2015 model so I'll add it.
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472CID
> KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
03/05/2015 at 13:27 |
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Indeed it is, added
Saracen
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:27 |
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The cheapest Panamera with a V8 is the GTS at $114k. Though I'm pretty sure it will be getting the TT V6 starting next year.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:29 |
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Compacts, it was figured out pretty quickly that people wanted a V8 regardless of sanity. They started the Falcon on a six, tried offering more output in a bigger six, but acquiesced to having a V8 in the fourth year of production. The Pontiac Tempest started with the well-known NVH generating slant four, but got redrawn, and I don't even need to describe other GM compacts of a more traditional layout let alone Mopar.
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472CID
> Saracen
03/05/2015 at 13:35 |
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true, fixed
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472CID
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
03/05/2015 at 13:40 |
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About four V8-less years for the Falcon, two for the Valiant, one for the Chevy II. I think the Tempest always had a V8 option.
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lone_liberal
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:42 |
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Select 300S instead of Limited and you should see it.
http://www.chrysler.com/hostc/bmo/CUC2…
Law
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:42 |
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Factual inconsistencies:
1) "BMW and Cadillac are going the route of turbo V6s"- I think you meant turbo 6-cylinder units. BMW is sticking with its straight-sixes
Things you missed:
1) SLK55 AMG 5.5L NA V8 w/direct injection & cylinder deactivation 415hp/398 ft-lbs, likely to be replaced by a turbocharged mill in the next generation.
2) You put the Aston Martin [V8] Vantage in the V8 category but forgot to give a mention to the V12 Vantage
3) SL550 4.7L Biturbo V8 429hp/516tq
4) SL63 AMG 5.5L Biturbo V8 577hp/664tq
5) SL65 AMG 6.0L Biturbo V12 621hp/738tq
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 13:43 |
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You are correct. I forgot they had a rope-drive setup with the 215 available.
yamahog
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 14:38 |
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NEW CAR HINT
It has one of these ;)
El-Verde
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:19 |
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Why do the HP numbers stop? That would've been fun to see.
DarklordCaterpie
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:20 |
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So I guess trucks don't count.
Ash78, voting early and often
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:20 |
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Durango R/T and Citadel. Unibody, car suspension, basically a big wagon. I refuse to consider this thing an SUV after driving it.
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Titan-E34
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:21 |
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Do caddy's not come with V8 anymore? its gotta be more than the CTS-v
Mustang 'DontHitTheCrowd' GT
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:21 |
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Do any Crossovers even have a V8?
Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:21 |
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Stuff like this needs a NSFW tag
SoManyBlueCars
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:21 |
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Never giving mine up...
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BigBlock440
> Mustang 'DontHitTheCrowd' GT
03/05/2015 at 15:22 |
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Durango, maybe others
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BigBlock440
> Titan-E34
03/05/2015 at 15:23 |
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This list is cars only, no trucks/suvs/cuvs , because I think that's more interesting. I've left off boutique manufacturers, the kind of car makers who sell less than 20 units per year in the states. Notable examples: Morgan, Nobel, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bugatti, Hennessey, etc. So what did I miss? what's inaccurate?
Last paragraph. Your pictures look like trucks/SUVs/CUVs to me.
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BigBlock440
> DarklordCaterpie
03/05/2015 at 15:24 |
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This list is cars only, no trucks /suvs/cuvs, because I think that's more interesting. I've left off boutique manufacturers, the kind of car makers who sell less than 20 units per year in the states. Notable examples: Morgan, Nobel, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bugatti, Hennessey, etc. So what did I miss? what's inaccurate?
Last paragraph.
MoparMap
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:33 |
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What surprises me to some degree is that pretty much every V8 on that list (even the off brands) all put out 400+ hp. Just a decade ago that was a pretty healthy output and today it's just normal.
PilotMan
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:33 |
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!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
395 horsepower and 410 lb-ft of torque
$24,220 MSRP
Junker_CM
> For Sweden
03/05/2015 at 15:34 |
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Thats a sissy V8, not listed because its not V8 enough. now time to go drink my V8 while I drive my V8 down the I8 M8.
facw
> BeaterGT
03/05/2015 at 15:35 |
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Not sure why it should be depressing. Across the spectrum, cars are more powerful today than at any point in history (some of that is required by increased weight, but it is still a net gain). There are a lot of 4 cylinder engines that will over power the big V8s of the past, and even mid-range small cars often end up with more power than the anemic V8s of the malaise ear. You can argue about noise, but then get a V10, the world doesn't need noise pollution from daily drivers :P
gometz
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:35 |
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VAG cousins
Can we all agree that from now on the R8 V10 and Huracan will be known as Eskimo Brothers?
DMCVegas
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:38 |
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Interesting to see how much more expensive vehicles with V8 engines are.
Anyone up for starting a rumor that Obama is behind this as a form of class warfare and/or radical environmentalism related to global warming? A "war" on the traditionalist, 'Murican V8 engine in favor of the effeminate, compact turbo engines from Europe where they have socialism, gays, and murderous toys (Kinder eggs) that are all against white Christians.
It is of course utter nonsense, but it would be interesting to see how many crazy people we could rile up.
lolwaffles69rofl
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:40 |
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BMW uses I6s still.
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BigBlock440
> Ash78, voting early and often
03/05/2015 at 15:41 |
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It's a crossover. All CUVs are lifted wagons or hatchbacks, it's kinda their thing.
AMC/Renauledge
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:41 |
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Don't forget the Bentley Flying Spur
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lolwaffles69rofl
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:41 |
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Ford has a V10 available in the E Series and the new Super Super Duties.
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BigBlock440
> BigBlock440
03/05/2015 at 15:42 |
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Dammit, Ninja edit got me.
Randomguy13
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:42 |
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there is another beauty with a big heart out there....V12 Vantage!
ldympr
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:42 |
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drooling right now! you're distracting me from work :)
James May is my spirit animal
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:44 |
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Can we get a list of the remaining RWD (only) cars ?
BahamaTodd
> Titan-E34
03/05/2015 at 15:49 |
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Other than the CTS-V and Escalade there's nothing left. The XTS is a FWD gussied up Impala.
The upcoming CT6 will be available with a V8.
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itschrome
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:49 |
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Much better now.. thank you!
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Xenti
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:52 |
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FIA V6 Turbo Supercars doesn't have the same ring to it.
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Ash78, voting early and often
> BigBlock440
03/05/2015 at 15:52 |
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I generally agree. I just felt it deserved mention because it was a longitudinal RWD V8 and not the usual transverse FWD V6 that defines most CUVs (including the Durango's competitors like Explorer and Pathfinder). If anything, it's the Magnum's replacement in many ways.
Blake307
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 15:55 |
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You forgot all the trucks
86it
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:05 |
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gr8!
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PatrickPM
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:07 |
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Anyone else just get really sad?
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472CID
> Mustang 'DontHitTheCrowd' GT
03/05/2015 at 16:08 |
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Lots do, it would double the list and that's why I was too lazy to include them.
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472CID
> El-Verde
03/05/2015 at 16:08 |
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Got lazy it's time consuming to track all those down.
Dolby109
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:09 |
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Shouldn't the Corvette have been in the sports/supercar list since its faster than most of the cars there?
Sorry...just kind of hits a nerve.
red014
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:10 |
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Hellcat is turbocharged too? Damn...
xx45xx
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:13 |
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i think a good footnote is just how prolific heavy duty trucks now have massive diesel engines. 6.7, 6.7 and 6.6, all with enough aftermarket to toast most any mustang or camaro.
V8VespaStoppie
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:15 |
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You can still buy a new 300 with a V8. Just built one on their website and they still have the 5.7 V8 option.
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472CID
> Titan-E34
03/05/2015 at 16:16 |
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Just the CTS-Vs and the Escalade, it's been that way since they killed off the Northstar around 2011 I think.
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472CID
> James May is my spirit animal
03/05/2015 at 16:18 |
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Yeah something like that in the near future.
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472CID
> V8VespaStoppie
03/05/2015 at 16:19 |
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It's on there...
Hans_Moleman
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:23 |
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I admit I was a bit dissapointed when they put a 6 cylinder turbo in the M3/M4 but when I saw the torque curve it made perfect sense. At that point the only real benefit of the V8 is the sound it makes and they added engine sound through the stereo too.
Ford Tempo Fanatic
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:24 |
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What about the pickup trucks? I used to think they'd be the last hold outs for V8 muscle, but then Ford went and introduced the EcoBoost engines. Nonetheless, the sheer number of old trucks out there (compared with Camaros or Germany luxury sedans) should provide enough eight cylinder, rear wheel drive fun for decades to come.
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BeaterGT
> facw
03/05/2015 at 16:26 |
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Forced induction 4 cylinders perhaps. And I like to hear something in my DD or else I would have held onto the Saturn -__-
PS9
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:27 |
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20-50 years from now...
Okay everyone! Lets list all the remaining V8 RWD manual car makers!
1. BMW
2....
Goddamnit.
GhostZ
> For Sweden
03/05/2015 at 16:35 |
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I can't think of a cheaper car with a better engine.
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472CID
> Ford Tempo Fanatic
03/05/2015 at 16:38 |
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Oh, haven't seen that name in a long time :)
Every fullsize truck (F series, Silverado, Ram, Tundra, and Titan) still has a V8 , and probably will for the foreseeable future. I didn't include trucks because then I'd have to include suvs/cuvs and there's a lot of them.
mackguy
> Titan-E34
03/05/2015 at 16:45 |
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Only CTS-V and Escalade... Escalade not included on this list for obvious reasons.
If you want full-size American luxury with a V8 Chrysler 300 is the only way to go now.
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Titan-E34
> BigBlock440
03/05/2015 at 16:51 |
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;)
GreenN_Gold
> For Sweden
03/05/2015 at 16:54 |
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Yes, that's the Challenger that interests me most, in fact.
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ncarlucci10
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 16:58 |
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this list is awesome - thanks for writing this.
what would be cool is to do a sub-list breaking these out by forced induction or N/A - it'd be good to catalog the rapid disappearance of N/A motors available right now - especially in the higher cylinder count categories - it would blend nicely with your note on how V8's seem to be exploding at the cost of V12's and V10's.
Delusion77
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:02 |
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curious how you grouped the Hyundai Equus, Genesis and Kia k900 with the muscle cars and not with the mid size luxury cars that they compete with..
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472CID
> ncarlucci10
03/05/2015 at 17:07 |
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that's next.
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472CID
> Delusion77
03/05/2015 at 17:12 |
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Do they really compete with them though? The Genesis and K900 V8s start at the low $50ks (probably even less, I'm sure dealer will do whatever it takes to move 'em) and the comparable BMW/Mercedes/Audis start around $70k nearly 50% more. They're much closer to the Chrysler 300 and Chevy SS.
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GreenN_Gold
> Blake307
03/05/2015 at 17:12 |
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You forgot to read the last paragraph. ; )
1965gto
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:19 |
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I've been listening to the end of the V8 for 40 years
In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you
> gometz
03/05/2015 at 17:21 |
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You mean Ice Climbers?
bluefin
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:23 |
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Having driven the 5.o Genesis a few days ago yes, it competes with luxury sedans, not sporty cars. The nearly inaudible nature of the engine, the massive weight, numb steering and lazy throttle response even in "sport" mode are reminders that the v8 in this context is a total waste.
It actually has fantastic turn-in below 40 mph but who cares when you can't feel anything?
JGrabowMSt
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:23 |
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You should note that it's specifically the SL65 AMG that has the V12, the other SL cars are V6 and V8 biturbo. Same with the S class. The 65 AMG model has the V12, not the other ones.
Just sayin'.
I wish you were wrong about the V10s. Such an endangered specie.
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Delusion77
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:26 |
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I think absolutely it competes with them. In price maybe not but in the driving experience it does. Just as how Lexus came into the luxury market with the LS at a much lower price point than the comparable MB, Hyundai is doing the same. And yes the quality of the Genesis is definitely up to par with the GS for example.
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MartinWantsBeer
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:31 |
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Nice list. I do miss the sound of V8s here in Europe... it's something you get used to very quickly.
Anyway, you missed a company: Rolls Royce. However, the owners are way too sophisticated to get insulted by regular mortals, so it's all good.
Rand0nS
> GhostZ
03/05/2015 at 17:32 |
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The first car in the list.
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Rand0nS
> G_Body_Man: Sponsored by the number 3
03/05/2015 at 17:34 |
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What's your point?
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Rand0nS
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:35 |
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Mustangs are such a bargain.
Kyree S. Williams
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 17:43 |
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I love the pushrod 6 3/4-liter twin-turbo V8 in the Bentley Mulsanne. It's extremely old-school, yet very competitive.
connecteddennis
> red014
03/05/2015 at 18:03 |
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Wait... you serious?
AkursedX
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 18:06 |
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I find it interesting that the lowest output V8 available today is the 370hp charger/challenger. 20 years ago we still had v8's producing as low as 215hp.
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472CID
> AkursedX
03/05/2015 at 18:12 |
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Yeah I think there's only 2 engines here that make less than 400hp (the Mopar 5.7 and the Lexus LS)
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Justme
> Ford Tempo Fanatic
03/05/2015 at 18:16 |
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What part of "no trucks" did you not understand in the article? Last paragraph.
This list is cars only, no trucks/suvs/cuvs, because I think that's more interesting. I've left off boutique manufacturers, the kind of car makers who sell less than 20 units per year in the states. Notable examples: Morgan, Nobel, Koenigsegg, Pagani, Bugatti, Hennessey, etc. So what did I miss? what's inaccurate?
I see that 'reading comprehension' is no longer required to graduate certain schools.
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Justme
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 18:16 |
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What part of "no trucks" isn't clear to you? Last paragraph of the article.
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FerrariFridays
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 18:28 |
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How have you left Bugatti off the list when they don't even make a 8 or 10 or 12cylinder car?
4quattro
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 18:29 |
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the audi v10 pictured is from a c6 s6 or a d3 s8 not an r8. They are the same displacement but are surprisingly different
BobWellington
> BigBlock440
03/05/2015 at 18:32 |
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Depends if you consider that a crossover or SUV.
Kinja'd Again
> 472CID
03/05/2015 at 19:11 |
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I love this list soooooooo much.