"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
02/24/2015 at 15:28 • Filed to: None
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"Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell." (oppisitelock)
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Oh my yes.
GeorgeyBoy
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 15:38 |
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Until you hear timing chain rattle on startup.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> GeorgeyBoy
02/24/2015 at 15:43 |
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Is that a common issue on these?
Voodoo81
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 15:47 |
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Why do they call it the 3.2?
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GeorgeyBoy
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 15:48 |
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Yes and this .
davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 15:50 |
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Not all that cheap. And don't forget to factor in running costs. Once you get onto classic cover, one that's ten years old will be much cheaper to run.
How about this one?
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/adv…
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> GeorgeyBoy
02/24/2015 at 16:05 |
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I've heard about the Nikasil on XK8 engines actually.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 16:06 |
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Oh I wasn't seriously considering it, the tax and fuel alone would bankrupt me. I just liked that one.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> Voodoo81
02/24/2015 at 16:07 |
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Because it's a 3.2 v8?
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 16:32 |
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Tax isn't too bad - £230 a year because it's pre-2001. Fuel would get expensive fast, though, if you did many miles in it. You could always LPG.
I do so few miles a year that as long as it's not ridiculously poor, fuel economy doesn't really make much difference. The difference between averaging 20mpg and 40mpg is only £350 a year, and almost nothing will do 40mpg with my driving pattern.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 16:37 |
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I only pay £30 at the moment so £230 would make a noticable difference to me. Plus at my age insurance is likely insane.
I only do 2000-3000 miles a year but I'd probably still notice the money difference.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 16:50 |
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Yeah, it all adds up - but it's not nearly as bad as a modern one, with £500 a year road tax and ludicrous insurance. If you can get cheap classic cover for ~£100 a year, it can pretty much balance out. Oddly enough, I ran a quote on that XJ6 and it's actually a hundred quid cheaper than the Camry despite being a year newer, a lot heavier, and way more powerful.
For me, a Panda is about the cheapest non-classic I can get. Even so, the insurance is enough higher to cancel out the saving on tax and fuel.
And as much as I love the Panda, even if it's a couple of hundred quid a year more to drive a Jaaag, that's a pretty sweet deal :)
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 16:56 |
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I'm not eligible for classic insurance with most companies because of my age or it's something I would've considered. I pay £700 on the Panda this year and that's the cheapest by far.
I'm upgrading the Panda either when my insurance runs out this year, or the year after that. Depends on my money situation. It's been pretty unreliable.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 17:05 |
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I'm sure I've mentioned before that the age requirement varies from car to car, and with no obvious hard pattern. Generally older cars will have looser requirements, but I keep running across surprising exceptions to every rule I come up with - like that Jag only being £100 a year for me.
Anyway, if you're not quite old enough yet, you must be soon. I think the normal minimum age is only 23.
"It's been pretty unreliable."
Oh? That's a shame. What's gone wrong with it?
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 17:20 |
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I'm only twenty at the moment so a little while to wait.
The turbo blew up and it was a nightmare to replace and still doesn't run brilliantly. The key fob broke and the headlight is leaking in water.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 17:38 |
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Oh, yes, I forgot you have the diesel. I don't know about the key fob, but as far as the headlight leak goes, the nice thing about Fiats is normally that at least when something like that goes wrong, it doesn't cost much for the new part.
Then again, you can probably just pull it, drain the water out, and re-seal it with a bit of glue or duct tape.
Still, that's not too bad as cars of that age go.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 17:42 |
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The cartridge to rebuild the turbo was £120 on ebay, but the long term reliability of that is a little questionable...
I've already handled the headlight, it still gets a little foggy because I couldnt dry it out completely but it doesnt fill with water.
Yeah it could be worse, it just turned 10. I'm saving for something nicer, if I find work out of uni I'll likely take out a small low interest loan to add to what I've already saved and get a newer £8k ish car.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 17:49 |
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About £8k, huh? Well, you know what that buys you...
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/adv…
And, good news!, this is even cheaper:
https://www.dacia.co.uk/vehicles/sande…
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 17:52 |
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I want a bigger car next haha. I've recently taken a liking to the Skoda Superb but I'll probably change my mind ten times over before I actually buy anything.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 18:13 |
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Oh, I know that feeling. The Superb's a bit boring, though, isn't it?
There are lots of really nice and/or interesting cars on Ebay for less than that.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-Maser…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E30-31…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1980-TRIUM…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/LOTUS-ELAN…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-Fiest…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Amazing-BM…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WOW-1989-L…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1986-JAGUA…
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1990-MERCE…
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 18:27 |
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Says the guy who just bought a Camry. I kid, but honestly my tastes are fairly reserved mostly. I bought the Panda because it was the most capable out of most smaller cars and cheap (very low tax, 55mpg, cheapest insurance I could find anywhere) and I could get a large sunroof and nice stereo. I prefer to have a younger low mileage car too if possible.
I'm honestly happy with reliability, a comfortable seat and a good stereo. I never do much spirited driving and pretty much any car is fun on a good B road. Plus when finances allow I will be getting a sub £1000 project car to mess about with. A hot hatch like an RS Clio could be on the cards as my daily driver though.
I do really like that Triumph though.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 18:41 |
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"Says the guy who just bought a Camry."
I've had it up for sale pretty much ever since - although I stuck a high pricetag on it to see what I can get. The main reason I bought it was because it went for so much less than it's really worth. I stuck it on Gumtree for about 4x what I paid, and unsurprisingly didn't get much interest, but I don't expect to have to go as low as 3x to actually sell it.
"I'm honestly happy with reliability, a comfortable seat and a good stereo."
Hey, do you want to buy a Camry? :)
"pretty much any car is fun on a good B road."
Oh, maybe you don't want the Camry. (Actually, that's unfair. It just doesn't like being hurried along, but it's fun to cruise in.)
But after the Panda, you may find you're a bit spoilt. Not many non-sportscars are as happy on a B-road as that.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 18:50 |
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I noticed you got a hell of a price on it. I don't think it's something I'd buy though haha.
The Panda is actually a bit rubbish on B roads to be honest. It just understeers constantly, mostly because the tyres are terrible and the anti roll bar links are a bit worn. That doesn't mean it isn't fun but it's hardly spoiling me for other cars.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 18:55 |
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You're managing to get a Panda to the limits of grip, and you don't think you're engaging in spirited driving? :)
Anyway, I didn't say it's quick. I said it's fun. Pull back slightly from the limit and you'll have a hoot, just because it's so light and has such quick, responsive steering. Thrash a Fiat and it just sucks it up and comes back for more, whereas when you push hard in the Camry the feedback you get is more like 'now look here, young man, that's quite enough of this silliness'.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 19:00 |
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It's on 155 width £30 tyres, the limit is pretty low haha. I've accidentally done a mini burnout lifting the clutch a little quickly at 2500rpm to get out of a junction quickly.
It is a fun car, but the front heaviness of the diesel kills a bit of the agility. I dont doubt it's more chuckable than the Camry though haha.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 19:27 |
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Maybe the problem's somewhere between the seat and the steering wheel? ;)
"It is a fun car, but the front heaviness of the diesel kills a bit of the agility."
Oh, that's probably true. I've only driven petrol ones. But little Fiats are still great to drive. Hard on the brakes into a curve, down the box heel-and-toe, then trail brake into the apex. If you carry too much speed it'll try and scrub a bit wide, but it's so narrow that on most roads you've got room to ease up on the steering slightly and let it run out to the far edge of the lane.
Sounds like some nicer tyres might be worthwhile next time they're due for replacement. If you're already paying £30 a corner, you're only looking at an extra £40-50 in total to buy some nice tyres, and you'll really notice the difference. Get under there and do the ARB links, too :)
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 20:09 |
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Haha I'm far from an experienced driver but you can feel it pushing wide most of the time.
I dont really have the money for any upgrades, the tyres on it have loads of tread on them so I wont be replacing them any time soon.
The links go every 10k miles so I really cant be bothered with them until they fail an MOT haha.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 20:20 |
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"Haha I'm far from an experienced driver but you can feel it pushing wide most of the time."
Well, you could always try and drive it like an old Porsche - turn in to a point before the apex, then use the throttle to make it understeer and hit the apex. Not sure how well that works with about 60bhp, though :)
"the tyres on it have loads of tread on them so I wont be replacing them any time soon."
That's always the way. Unless the p/o has put something really nice on it - and they won't, because you don't get the money back when you sell - I'd much rather buy a car with worn-out tyres so I can choose something good without throwing away new ones.
"The links go every 10k miles"
OK, you know that whole getting-air-off-speedbumps thing is for rental cars, right?
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
02/24/2015 at 20:28 |
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Pfft 60hp I'm dealing with a full 70 ponies here.
I've only put 1500 miles on it, I just know from reading forums that they wear out quickly. Mine were last changed 15k ago. It scrapes on speedbumps at just 10mph haha.
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Voodoo81
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
02/24/2015 at 21:11 |
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I had no idea they made a 3.2 V8. I thought that they went from the inline 6 to the 4.0 v8 then the 5.0. You really do learn something new every day. Thanks.
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BenLikesCars
> davedave1111
02/27/2015 at 20:45 |
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Eight thousand pounds!
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/adv…
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davedave1111
> BenLikesCars
02/28/2015 at 04:09 |
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Nice, I hadn't noticed those were getting so cheap. Not a terribly good choice for a fairly new driver in this country, though - it would cost a significant chunk of that to insure it every year. I just ran a quote for me, as a second car, up to 2k miles a year - yes, 2k, not 20k - and they want £1k for insurance with my clean record. The OP is at least ten years younger than me and doesn't have the same track record (yet), so would probably be looking at double that.
Shame, otherwise I'd think about finding the £8k to buy one :)
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BenLikesCars
> davedave1111
02/28/2015 at 14:28 |
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Is there regard for the Alfa 159 wagon diesel?
I thought this would be something worth a bark of enthusiasm for, sure it's five years old and neither super-low mileage (98k miles) nor a rocket (the ad says 0-60 in nine seconds) but at 6500 pounds, I would still be more than a little interested, I could be wrong,
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/adv…
