Confirmed, Cadillac Is Making a Twin Turbo V8

"Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire" (arch-duke-maxyenko)
02/23/2015 at 13:11 • Filed to: None

And Johan de Nysschen is an awesome dude.

DISCUSSION (37)

PatBateman > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:15

SQUEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Pardon me while I make $120k real quick.

EL_ULY > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:15

and Diesels !

Kinja'd!!!

PS9 > PatBateman
02/23/2015 at 13:20

Hey before you hit the dealership, how about you come to my place? I hear Huey Lewis and the news released a new vinyl! Lets listen together.

Be sure to bring the money. For accounting reasons.

Moves-Like-Senna > EL_ULY
02/23/2015 at 13:20

BEST GIF EVER! I have no idea where you found this but you sir win the internet.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:26

Putting it in what? Well we can swap it.

Sweet Trav > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:27

Unfortunately it wont be an LT/LS based V8 that we all want, it will be an 8 cylinder version of the 3.6l V6 mostly likely a 4.8l or 5l (if they can punch the bores out .060), and seeing as the GM High Feature V6's have a pretty long list of problems... I'm not holding out hope for it to be anything more than the modern day equivalent of the Caddy 500cid engine from the 60's

PatBateman > PS9
02/23/2015 at 13:28

You don't want to be in the same apartment as me when Huey Lewis is played. Or Whitney Houston. Or Phil Collins.

472CID > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:30

Wonder if turbos will replace superchargers? I'd ok with it if they do.

Luke's Dad Sold His 2000TL To Get a Sienna > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:30

CT-6-V.

OF HAPPENINGS.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 13:33

Could you please point my towards this "pretty long list of problems" the 3.6 has? Because our 3.6 in our Vue never had any problems in the 6 years, 75,000 miles we owned it (transmission is a different story). I've seen timing chain issues as being a problem a few years ago, but it appears GM has fixed this issue.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:34

SWEET.

Now, DOHC or good ole' GM pushrod setup? That's what I'm going to be curious about.

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
02/23/2015 at 13:39

Timing chain issues as you mentioned, DI carbon build up, the 2.8L turbo's in the SRX grenading. early engines had a sludging problem.

http://community.cartalk.com/discussion/224…

http://www.motor.com/magazine/pdfs/…

http://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/showthr…

And my mother's 3.6 dropped a valve at less than 60k in her vue and grenaded the engine...

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
02/23/2015 at 13:41

DOHC for sure. Cadillac HATES using the general's normal engines for it's products.

Moenica > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:42

His answers have been fresh, honest, and informative. What a great man!

Milky > EL_ULY
02/23/2015 at 13:48

No shit?! Did not expect that answer.

EL_ULY > Milky
02/23/2015 at 13:54

neither did I.

Should of asked if there would be a Duramax in their V "D" versions lol :]

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 13:55

All those links point me in the direction of GM fixing the issues. The first one says GM recalled the engine to fix the timing chain wear issue. The motor.com one goes as far as to tell me GM knows about these issues and the new generation of the engine that just came out last year has all these problems solved, and I'm sure that engine is going to slowly find its way into every car in GM's lineup.

The only issue that could still persist in the old ones is the DI carbon buildup, which happens to DI engines from a lot of manufacturers. Audi and BMW stick out in my mind. The mention of the 2.8T is irrelevant, since it's only just based on the 3.6 and doesn't share much. Plus it was a Saab developed engine IIRC and what the hell else do we expect from Saab?

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 13:56

Well good, IMO. Cadillac needs the "sophistication" that a DOHC setup gives them to the public over the "truck engine" 6.2.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 13:58

Some of his answers were quite clever - he's got a sharp wit.

citizennick > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 14:01

probably Jalopnik's most entertaining Q&A with some higher-up in the industry. Dude seems legit and a real car guy.

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
02/23/2015 at 14:01

I'd take that "truck engine" over any other engine produced now, or in the past for a road car.

DOHC is an utter waste for an engine meant to live under 9000RPM.

nermal > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/23/2015 at 14:05

Hahaha the Lincoln one was the best.

Sweet Trav > Logansteno: Bought a VW?
02/23/2015 at 14:09

Actually the 2.8 shares almost everything the 3.6 of the same year, just the bore and stroke are different, it was a one year optional engine that they ended up recalling. I'm very skeptical of these engines. GM's V6 game has been weak for a long time. The oil consumption on these engines is scary. Oil consumption = poor design.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 14:12

Oh, I would take the 6.2 as well, but you mention pushrods to people and they scoff and call it an ancient power plant, no matter how advanced it is. Plus DOHCs are just a bit more smooth and don't have quite the NVH level that OHV engines do, or so I've heard.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > nermal
02/23/2015 at 14:12

His response to BigBlock? Been there, done that...

nermal > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/23/2015 at 14:18

No, this one:

Linky

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > nermal
02/23/2015 at 14:20

I guess you saw that as a serious burn and not just corporate etiquette?

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com
02/23/2015 at 14:24

The Donk SRX answer was pretty good as well.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies
02/23/2015 at 14:32

Yeah, he got a star from me for that one.

spanfucker retire bitch > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 14:40

Actually he said last year they'd be developing a whole new generation of engines. So no, I doubt it'll be based on the current V6 and just extended.

Sweet Trav > spanfucker retire bitch
02/23/2015 at 14:45

I highly doubt that they will be getting their own engines. That's very not GM. It will have to share a production site with current engines. Meaning Flint South, where they already build the 3.6l and the 1.4l, Tonawanda where they build the LT/LS and 2.5 2.0T, or St. Catherines where they build the 3.6 and more V8's .

Which means it has to share bore spacing with one these engines. So it's either 2 cylinders added on to the 3.6 (most likely), a TT LS motor (awesome but unlikely) OR two Ecotec 2.0T cylinder heads on a V block (possible but unlikely.)

spanfucker retire bitch > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 14:52

That's very not GM

That's the entire point.

How important is it for Cadillac to have V-8 power going forward?

We will have a new engine family that is very highly modular and can be structured for four, six or eight cylinders, not only with performance in mind but it must perform better and be more efficient than the old engines.

How soon will we see this engine family in Cadillac's lineup?

First we will do smaller capacity engines with the priority on China, and so the eight-cylinder engines will come toward the latter part of this decade, which will give you a hint also for where we are taking the discussion on the expansion of our future product line.

I would guess the V-8 version would be exclusive to Cadillac.

I would want to work very hard to keep the architecture unique for Cadillac. On the other hand, I must also consider that there might be some other important markets and market segments where, if I chose to enter them with a unique Cadillac platform, the cost of entry must be so high that I can't make it pencil. So then I have a choice — I either don't participate, or I see what other assets exist within the General Motors portfolio. And I've learned this playbook from the Volkswagen Group. There will be some models that will be absolutely standalone, pure, thoroughbred Cadillac. And then there are some where we must make sure those cars capture the Cadillac values but where it might be OK to share componentry. I don't want to use a brand name. But if another brand in the stable decides they want to use a Cadillac asset and they are willing to accept the higher cost that's associated with the asset, that helps us amortize the cost.

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/…

Sweet Trav > spanfucker retire bitch
02/23/2015 at 15:03

Remember how well the Northstar worked for them? Or the 4-6-8? Cadillac cannot have its own engine line and maintain profitability.

He's also talking out his ass. Cadillac is not the profit pig it was before he took over. An entire engine line exclusive to Cadillac goes in the face of all forms of modern manufacturing. The cost is too great. I'm sorry but I actually work in this industry and understand exactly how cost can shape a project.

As far as having something that exclusively Cadillac, they are already whoring out the Alpha platform to Chevy. Omega and the "new" engines will soon follow. You simply cannot compete against yourself in this economy. Any funding that goes to an engine that is not a mainstream engine is a waste of funds, unless it delivers on profitability, which Corvette and Camaro do (and even then they share a block and machining with the truck V8's) Now if the new V8 is based on an existing engine like the 3.6L TT and shares common components like pistons, connecting rods, and the same machine tools, yes, Cadillac may have its own V8, but if you think GM can afford a clean white paper engine series entirely dedicated to Cadillac, you're smoking what Johan is. The man is a fool and snake oil salesman, claiming to have the silver bullet of success when all he did was muddle Infiniti, He's going to turn Cadillac into an also ran derivative. Emulating instead of innovating.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 16:53

The Alfa was never intended to be solely used by Cadillac, so there is no, "whoring out," there at all. I have no reason to doubt Johan on his plans. Everything thing that he has said would happen has.

This new engine platform sounds exactly like a modular 90° block, which GM has almost a century of experience with. they have never made a 60° V8 and never will. The only company who has used them is Yamaha and those were developed for tight packaging in a FWD car. With the CT6 being rwd, there is no need for such an oddity.

ly2v8-Brian > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 17:46

Kinja'd!!!

Sweet Trav > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
02/23/2015 at 18:04

Everything that he has said up to this doesn't call for multiple billion dollars of development work. So far it's just lip service, unoriginal thought and the changing of a few badges. hopefully he gets booted before he can execute his CT moniker on everything. I seriously doubt Johan has ever had an orignal thought.

Why would GM build an engine line, common bore spacing, con-rods, cylinder head components and make it available to only one brand? If they are replacing the LS/LT motors, fine, but the development costs of a white paper engine series for only Cadillac are astronomical, impractical, fiscally irresponsible and foolish. This isn't 1968 where Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Chevrolet and Cadillac all have different engines. This is 2015, where a modern car company would have the fewest engines possible to get the job done. I agree that Cadillac probably needs something a big more "refined" than a cam in block V8 with it's design roots in the 50's if they want to emulate the Germans, but that's not what i want Cadillac to be. I want Cadillac to be brash, bold, and entirely different than the Germans, keep the big loping torque V8's, and if you need a small displacement V8 the clear choice is a 60 Degree V8 OR one based on the Ecotec bore spacing, but perhaps the Ecotec is getting long in the tooth, and is considered quite unrefined by many for the purposes of a Cadillac and they will make a new modular engine, like the Jag I4, and there will be a 90 Degree V8 based on the design

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > Sweet Trav
02/23/2015 at 18:18

He's said that he would fight for the V8 to be Cadillac exclusive, which would be fine and not that cost deficient. He also said that soon all Cadillac 4 cylinders would be turbocharged, so if you take a half of a Twin turbo V8, you get a single turbo 4, which, yes would make a fine Ecotec replacement. GM also has a strong history of making V6's out of V8's and making them perform quite admirably.