Holy hell

"TheHondaBro" (wwaveform) 02/16/2015 at 23:02 • Filed to: None

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After eleven days in a hospital, Khomeini died painfully on 3 June 1989 after suffering five heart attacks in just ten days

Khomeini is the real MVP.

EDIT: This dude is a freaking tank.

Khomeini for a long time suffered from several kinds of cancer and had several heart attacks. He died of intestinal cancer and a heart attack in June 1989

Cherry_man1 > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:09

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the Iranian mad man?

aberson Bresident of the FullyAssed Committe > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:10

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i wonder if he got used to them

like the first one would of been like "OH SHIT I'M GOING TO DIE"

but then by the 5th one he was just like "oh meh i'm having another heart attack"

TheHondaBro > Cherry_man1 02/16/2015 at 23:10

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He overthrew the Iranian madman.

Cherry_man1 > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:12

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Well his successor is a little mad as well.....didn't they both call for death to Americans? then again who doesn't anymore....

TheHondaBro > Cherry_man1 02/16/2015 at 23:13

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They were a bit wound up by the Shah trying to westernize the country, so maybe that would have slipped out a liitle. You can't blame 'em though, Iran has a very rich Islamic history.

Cherry_man1 > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:16

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That they do. They also were amazing mathematicians at one time as well if my memory serves me.

TheHondaBro > Cherry_man1 02/16/2015 at 23:18

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Well I'm good at math at least...

Iranian secondary school is about a rigorous as our colleges, if not more. In high school, my dad had to memorize the entire periodic table of elements.

Cherry_man1 > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:22

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They did that for our Chem classes in HS thank god I took Physics.

Mongo > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:52

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Yeah. I remember a time they had female engineers. My how that country has progressed.

Manuél Ferrari > TheHondaBro 02/16/2015 at 23:57

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Westernizing the country had very little to do with the revolution. People were pissed because the Shah was an asshole who ignored the rural poor and made people who disagreed with his rule disappear. The average person would have been fine with westernization as long as the wealth that was being created had been distributed more evenly and without the secret police torturing and killing people who read the wrong books or showed any signs of dissent.

The Islamic leaders stepped into a power vacuum and took over because idealistic students and leftists didn't know what to do once they kicked the Shah out. And because the US calculated incorrectly when it thought that Khomeini could be an ally and allowed him to leave France for Iran.

The current regime is there due to a mix of luck and resolve. And because Khomeini was a lot smarter and more cunning than anyone expected. The West thought he was a senile old man who they could control. That was a huge mistake.

TheHondaBro > Manuél Ferrari 02/17/2015 at 00:04

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In the attempt at westernization, the Iranians viewed the Shah as a puppet of the United States. Yea, he was a terrible leader, but the Iranian people wanted an Islamic government nonetheless. After all, the leader of the revolution promised the return of an Islamic government.

Manuél Ferrari > TheHondaBro 02/17/2015 at 00:51

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I strongly disagree with that take. People hated him because he was a ruthless leader, not because they wanted an Islamic government. The revolution was fragmented. There were elements that were Islamic, elements that were socialist, elements that were communist, and there were good old fashioned pissed off people that didn't subscribe to any specific ideology. Khomeini became a symbolic leader after liberal and leftist intellectuals started planting the seeds of revolution years before he entered the country.

To this day Iran is divided. Support for the Islamic government is high amongst the rural poor because the government ensures they are fed and they are more religious to begin with. A lot of people that live in the urban centers are secular and don't give two shits about religion. If Iranian culture was Islamic to its core then the streets of Tehran would look like the streets in Saudi Arabia. But don't. Many women wear fashionable headscarves instead of the full chadors because they don't believe in being fully covered up and there is so much secularism in the culture that the government has decided to let a lot of stuff slide instead of imposing a strict and truly Islamic code across the country. People pay off the local so called Islamic leaders for the right to throw underground parties full of booze and drugs. While some of the people in government actually are devout most of them use religion for their own personal power and financial gain.

It is patently false that the majority of the Iranian people wanted an Islamic government. They were simply powerless to do anything about it, other than leave, which thousands upon thousands did. Since the Shah had gun control laws it wasn't easy for people to rise up and create a 2nd or 3rd revolution. Once the Islamic government took control it was there to stay.

GhostZ > Cherry_man1 02/17/2015 at 03:55

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I could easily make a Targaryen joke here.

TheHondaBro > Manuél Ferrari 02/17/2015 at 10:58

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I just confirmed with my mom who lived in Tehran during the revolution, and she confirmed that they hated the Shah because of the westernization. When the Ayatollah promised a return to traditional Islamic values should they overthrow the Shah, many of the opposition began supporting him.

Manuél Ferrari > TheHondaBro 03/22/2015 at 13:59

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sorry i left this open on a browser tab and forgot about it cause so many tabs open

i didn't mean to say that nobody wanted an islamic revolution

i meant that not everyone wanted it

my dad used to protest against the shah in tehran and he definitely didn't want an islamic revolution. he wanted a secular and democratic government.