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"Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow" (chriskf) 02/12/2015 at 10:30 • Filed to: None

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This is the guy we were supposed to feel sorry for, and people gave hundreds of thousands of dollars to?

Quote from/info about James Robertson in a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

"I went to the casino on Saturday, and people wanted to get their pictures taken with me," he said Sunday, laughing.

In the past, Robertson said he has visited Detroit's casinos occasionally and gambles small amounts of his $10.55-per-hour wage.

EDIT: LET ME BE CLEAR, my issue is not with James Robertson!!! He just happens to be the individual in this given story. My issue is with how the media publishes these sob stories to pluck at people's heart strings (i.e. boost ratings), and then how people just blindly throw money at whatever the given "problem" is just to feel better about themselves. The issue is with society/charity, not this one guy who clearly has a very rough life.

CalzoneGolem > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:32

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So we don't feel sorry for him anymore because he still likes to gamble?

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:35

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OMG! Maybe he has beer or two every week too. He is clearly a moral reprobate that deserves to walk miles to work in the snow.

Come on.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > CalzoneGolem 02/12/2015 at 10:35

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No, you missed the point. It's not that he is gambling with the money now. It's that he was making so little and had to walk to work, couldn't afford to save for a car, but could afford to spend money gambling? I'm going to guess that over those 10 years he gambled $500-1,000, which could easily buy a running vehicle. Obviously I can't know for sure, but from the way it sounds in the article this was at least a somewhat regular habit of his.

BmanUltima's car still hasn't been fixed yet, he'll get on it tomorrow, honest. > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:35

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I fail to see a problem here.

ttyymmnn > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:35

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You never bought a lotto? Really, unless he can't afford a car because he's blowing all his money at the craps table, I see no problem with it. There are plenty of people who can go to Vegas, or Dave & Busters, and stop when they want to.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S 02/12/2015 at 10:37

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If you have money to throw away gambling, and can't figure out to save that towards getting yourself better transportation, I don't feel bad for you.

ttyymmnn > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:38

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Would you be willing to save your quarters for 10 years to buy a car? Would you finance a car for 10 years? I think you're being a little hard on the guy.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:38

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Well if you heard about his living situation, it sounds almost like the people he was living with would try to take his money if they could. Dude was paying 220 a WEEK to live in an apartment cause his girlfriend owned it or something. But it sounds like he cut her out of his life and all those other "friends" he was living with.

Makoyouidiot > CalzoneGolem 02/12/2015 at 10:40

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No no no, it's cause people can't have hobbies that cost them money if they want people to feel sorry for them. Wait. Crap.

CalzoneGolem > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:40

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Owning and running a car costs a lot of money. He'd have to insure, feed and fix it. I didn't give this guy a cent so I don't feel any attachment here but he's not a saint. I'm sure he could have easily come up with a motorized bike to get to and from work if he really wanted to.

CalzoneGolem > Makoyouidiot 02/12/2015 at 10:41

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It is ok I still feel sorry for you.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > ttyymmnn 02/12/2015 at 10:41

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Yeah, I've gambled money when I've had spare money that I could afford to essentially throw away. However, if I didn't have a car and was walking to work every day, I'd keep the money that would be spent gambling and save towards a car.

" In the past, Robertson said he has visited Detroit's casinos occasionally and gambles small amounts of his $10.55-per-hour wage."

The use of the word "occasionally" implies that this was a somewhat regular occurrence. If you know how much money it takes to spend a decent amount of time at a casino, then it's pretty easy to figure that not going to the casino could have enabled him to save quite a bit of money.

Makoyouidiot > CalzoneGolem 02/12/2015 at 10:41

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Awesome. I almost had a panic there.

BigBlock440 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:42

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I went to a casino twice, walked away with a hell of a buzz and an extra $100 or so both times. Granted, casinos don't stay in business from people winning, but $500-1,000 over 10 years isn't going to get you into a car that's not a "mechanic's special".

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > CalzoneGolem 02/12/2015 at 10:44

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I didn't say he had to be a saint, and that's perfectly alright. My issue is more with these ridiculous faux-charity stories, where media plucks at people's heart strings for ratings and then people donate blindly to something so they can feel better about themselves.

Think about what that $300k could have done for many more people if it was actually donated to a well-deserving/effective charity.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > BigBlock440 02/12/2015 at 10:46

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That was a very random estimation on my part, I'd venture to guess he actually spent more than that over the years if he frequented casinos on any sort of regular basis. But a mechanic's special for one winter would be a hell of a lot better than nothing, and plenty of functioning cars can be had for $1,000 that will run for a year or more.

Party-vi > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:47

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$500-$1,000 will not buy a reliable vehicle., especially if it's spread out over 10 years.

Also if I walked 10 miles to and from work every day for a decade I'd probably spend about $0.25 a day at the casino (assuming $100/year) for some fun.

ttyymmnn > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:49

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It all depends on how you want to use your money. He never asked anybody to buy him a car afaik. He was happy with his money choices, he used his disposable income for entertainment, and decided that walking to work was part of those choices.

And if you want to get right down to it, occasionally is defined as: at infrequent or irregular intervals; now and then . That doesn't necessarily imply "somewhat regular intervals."

I've got credit card debt. But I still take my kids to Dave & Busters occasionally. Sure, I could have sent that $100 to Citibank. But I choose to carry the interest and entertain my family.

CalzoneGolem > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:49

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Yeah there was no research or anything the internet was just like "LET'S GIVE THIS GUY ALL THE MONIES!!!" I'm sure we'll be hearing about his rise and fall shortly.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 10:50

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Again, the figures are almost completely irrelevant.

It's more the principle of the thing. There are plenty of people who are in difficult financial situations who have the presence of mind not to waste money gambling. If you are really that hard-up, it is completely stupid to go "gamble" your money away. Of course, it's his money and he has every right to do what he will with it. I just find it ridiculous that he was given such a huge sum of money, when it could have gone to help so many more people in need.

Soloburrito > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:52

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It's not fair to presume you know everything about his life after a couple paragraphs in the newspaper.

FKA-RacecaR > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:53

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The point of charity is to give where you see fit. It is not to question what the person or persons you help is going to do with your charity. It is to give because you want to try and help them. If they squander it, then sucks to be them.

And it sounds like the $300k+ is going to be handled by a financial adviser, and not actually be "his" money.

Also it is not like this guy went on TV asking for help. He was befriended by a person who was better off financially.

And let me make a wild and crazy assumption here, but you have never struggled have you? Have you ever wondered how in the hell you were going to make to the next pay check? Have you ever had to prioritize your bills because you could not pay them all with this weeks paycheck and you had to take advantage of the grace period allowed by the people you owe money to? If you had suffered, did you never treat yourself to anything to help forget your woes? Car parts, video games, rent a movie, eat out at fast food, buy alcohol, buy a new shirt...anything?

Sorry if I'm coming off as a dick, but give this guy a break. Just as some news media outlets are raising this guy up probably more than he deserves, there are going to be ones that try to tear him down as well. Heart string pulling gets as many ratings as muck racking.

Jeff-God-of-Biscuits > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:53

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Sometimes, when life really sucks, you need to do something to keep yourself happy, to keep going. For some, that might be a splurge meal at a nice restaurant, for others it might be long drive down a favorite road. I like to have a get a nice beer every now and again, and they can be a lot more than I would ever spend on a regular basis. Sometimes you have to spend a little money to remember why you are trying so damn hard to get so little of it in the first place.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > ttyymmnn 02/12/2015 at 10:53

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Yes, by the text book definition it doesn't. However, if someone tells you they occasionally go to the casino it makes it sound like it's a significant enough part of their life that it was even worth mentioning.

I know he never asked anyone, I'm not trying to bad mouth James Robertson. My issue is more with the media and people blindly throwing money at some sob story to make themselves feel better. It's an issue with society, not the individual.

BigBlock440 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:55

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But saving up for 10 years to have a car that only lasts 1 or 2? I'm not sure that I would bother. I'd give it a shot, and maybe he did, it said he had an Accord, but I can see why you'd give up trying if you can make due without. I would have got a bike though, maybe even one that had a motor.

Yossarian > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:56

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if you think he'd be able to buy a car, maintain it, register it, and insure it for $1000-2000 then I have a bridge to sell you.

nermal > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:58

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This guy is the Batman of poor people.

He's not the poor person Detroit deserves, he's the one they need. Or something. He gives hope to other poor people that one day the internet will randomly buy them a new car, despite him doing nothing at all to improve his situation. He also gives solace to the people from all over the place that donated $$$. They think that they helped improve the quality of life in a shitty town with their generosity, when in fact they just created a shit show.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > FKA-RacecaR 02/12/2015 at 10:59

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Ok, let me be clear (I'm going to edit the initial post to reflect this) MY ISSUE IS NOT WITH ROBERTSON.

My issue is with this:

The point of charity is to give where you see fit. It is not to question what the person or persons you help is going to do with your charity.

The fact that this is a view held by people is absolutely ridiculous. I've studied quite a bit about charities and non-profits, done a lot of charity work, and understand how the economics of charities work. If you're just blindly throwing your money at a charity because of what they say they are about, and don't actually take the time to research how the organization is run, then you are being an idiot. There are lots of charities out there that are crooked and hardly any of the money donated ever helps anyone. If people are okay with giving their money to organizations like that, it completely defeats the idea of charity.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 10:59

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I kind of disagree with all your posts, but I'm going to back up what i'm saying and have a discussion unlike the majority of the wise ass responses you've gotten.

Going to the casino is kind of a staple "can get away" thing to do for people in Detroit. We have 3 major full size casino's in Detroit. You can walk in, feel like you're somebody for a few hours and sit at a penny slot machine.

Also Detroit has the highest insurance cost for vehicles of any city in the country. Seriously. Like 2 grand a year for coverage on a sub $1,000 car, and as we all know it's illegal to not have insurance. It's pretty nuts. I mean I agree dude coulda bought a bike for 50 bucks at walmart and made the trip a lot easier though.

Party-vi > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:04

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I understand where you're coming from, but how much more in need did he have to be? He spent about two years walking to work, as-in 3.5 hours each way x 260 days a year x 10 years = 18,200 hours spent walking, or 758 days. Just to get to work to make $10.55 an hour. How can someone live like that if they don't have something to take their mind off of their situation? Gambling was probably a luxury to him that he did when he could afford it. It's not like he drowned himself in booze or was in debt to the casino. He (unarguably) worked hard and I think he deservedly gambled as a reward or way to take the edge off.

If you feel so strongly, find someone you consider is "in need" and start a campaign for them to receive assistance from strangers. Otherwise let the man enjoy this great opportunity that was presented to him.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/12/2015 at 11:08

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Thank you for the actual logical response, and trying to formulate a rational dialogue! :)

I completely understand what going to the casino can do in terms of making someone feel good about themselves. My point with this whole thing, as I've edited the original post to reflect now, is that people gave an insane amount of money to someone who clearly had at least some disposable income to blow on stuff like gambling. It's the misrepresentation by the media, making it sound like this guy was spending every last penny on the essentials just to live, to pluck at people's heart strings and boost ratings followed by people's blind charity (so they can post on their FB to show everyone how much they "care" about other people) that upsets me.

All of that positive energy/money could have gone to really make a difference in many people's lives. It's cool that one guy got helped out, but it was to a ridiculously over the top level.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > BigBlock440 02/12/2015 at 11:12

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Ok, again, the point is more about an issue with society; not really the one individual situation being discussed. The number are irrelevant, it's the fact that a certain picture was painted by the media, a bunch of people felt bad for the guy (i.e. guilty for having such fortune), and then donated money to the situation.

Once the Go-Fund me page got to say $10,000, which is plenty for a reliable car/registration/etc, any rational person should have thought, "Does this guy really need my $10 too? He clearly has enough for a car now. I should give this to someone else in need."

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 11:17

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Ok, I'm getting tired of reposting the same thing over and over; so I'm just going to copy and paste my edit to the original post.

"EDIT: LET ME BE CLEAR, my issue is not with James Robertson!!! He just happens to be the individual in this given story. My issue is with how the media publishes these sob stories to pluck at people's heart strings (i.e. boost ratings), and then how people just blindly throw money at whatever the given "problem" is just to feel better about themselves. The issue is with society/charity, not this one guy who clearly has a very rough life."

Yeah, it's nice to help this guy. It's awesome that we did, but let's be rational about it. Once he's been given enough to help him get a car and maybe a little more, let's give the rest of that money to other people that need it too.

Look at it this way. This is the equivalent of going to a place where people are starving and preparing a giant Thanksgiving-like feast for just one person. (Obviously there are some differences, but this is simply a vague simile to make a point more understandable.)

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > nermal 02/12/2015 at 11:18

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He gives hope to other poor people that one day the internet will randomly buy them a new car, despite him doing nothing at all to improve his situation.

This is one of the absolute worst things you could ever put into the mind of someone who is going through a rough time. If you're spending your life waiting for other people to save you and fix things for you, you're going to be waiting for your entire life.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:19

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I actually said to my wife when this whole thing happened - how many more people in Detroit could have been helped? Why did it all go to one guy? how many other hard working people are in his situation?

I spent a large portion of my life doing the typical Suburbanite thing and looking straight ahead ignoring the homeless person on the exit ramp who's asking for any money you can spare, assuming it would be for drugs or alcohol.

I had an epiphany recently and realized it doesn't matter. That dude needs the $1 in my pocket a whole hell of a lot more than I do as I sit in my comfortable car riding to my well paid job. I even gave one guy a pair of gloves, a couple granola bars, and a $1 last month ( I had a little car package ready for whoever I saw). He almost had tears in his eyes. For that little effort I made a big impact. (Update on him, I saw him this week...rocking my gloves)

I wish they had got the guy a solid used car and used the rest of the fund to help more people. I'm really happy for this guy and want nothing but the best for him. I even said on another post this morning I'd go to Detroit and walk beside him to keep him safe from everyone coming after him now if need be, because no one should be unsafe because of a gift like this.

BigBlock440 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:19

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I agree there, I don't see how it got that high. At what point was $200K not enough for a car, that thousands more decided to continue to donate?

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/12/2015 at 11:26

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Thank you! This is the exact sort of change we need to have in society. These are the sort of things I do too, along with having done quite a bit of charity work. If everyone were to just be a better/nicer/kinder person to everyone, especially those in need, we would be living in a much better world.

Instead, people don't do anything. They look straight ahead, roll up their window, and ignore the problem. Then the media, in an effort to make more money/boost ratings, brings a story like this into those same people's homes and they can't ignore it. They feel bad/guilty, so they donate to make themselves feel better. They don't actually think about where the money is going, if the amount raised is proportionate to the issue at hand, or how the organization running the charity actually functions. If someone saw that the guy obviously had gotten enough to get his car, it would have served a much better purpose for them to give that $10 to a guy standing on the side of the road that they see on their commute to work the next day.

I have no ill-feelings towards James Robertson. It's awesome for him! I just wish more people could have been helped with that money too.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > BigBlock440 02/12/2015 at 11:28

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At what point was $10 or $5k not enough?

I mean, it's cool for Robertson. However, that money could have gone to buy $5k used cars for 60 people who needed them.

Party-vi > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:32

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The intent was to get him just enough for a car. It was blown way out of proportion and now he's getting a ton of money. Right. We get it. But unless you have no issue going up to him and saying "hey I am under the impression that complete strangers gave you too much money so I'm going to arbitrarily pick an amount to take from you and then give it to people who I consider more needy than you through some unestablished channel because if I give it to an established charity most of it will go to overhead and marketing", you don't really have a leg to stand on.

People (you and I and everyone else) don't care about the faceless nameless masses. It is easier to be sympathetic towards one specific person than thousands of less fortunate people.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:36

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Yeah I agree. I'm hoping to raid Walmart, Target, Sears for gloves at the end of the season to get them on clearance. I'm going to hold onto them for next winter when people need them. The gloves I gave that guy were really nice insulated gloves (I actually was doing snowblowing last week going damn I wish I had those gloves! But that only proved that they were the exact pair I should have gave away. My 2 hours snowblowing is probably a much better scenario than his) and they had sat in my closet for a few years. Why not give them to someone who needs them?

BigBlock440 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:37

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I know, I just used $200k because it's a huge sum and is clearly more than enough. At $5 or $10K, I can see people still donating.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 11:38

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The money is his, people gave it to him. He has every right to it now. Of course I wouldn't go tell him I'm taking his money, it's not mine (or anyone else's at this point) to take. The leg I'm standing on is that people need to be more conscious of what they're actually doing. Yeah, it's a lot easier to feel sympathetic towards one person. So don't do it towards the guy who already having $100k+ given to him, go give it to the guy you see on the street corner next time you drive to work.

THE ISSUE IS WITH SOCIETY, NOT WITH JAMES ROBERTSON!!! I'm not sure how much clearer I can make that. lol (Admittedly, my original post could have been titled a bit differently.)

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/12/2015 at 11:41

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I really like your gloves idea. I'm stealing that. haha

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > BigBlock440 02/12/2015 at 11:42

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Fair enough, I can too. I think once it got north of $50k, anyone thinking logically should have questioned if their $10 was necessary anymore.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:43

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I'm all for more and more people doing it. It's a small, easy to hand over thing that can make a big impact in a person's life when they are living out doors in a cold place like Michigan.

(side bar, how do all homeless people not start instantly working their way south to where they won't freeze their ass off? This is a thing I never understood)

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner 02/12/2015 at 11:49

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Yeah, I'm in Chicagoland so the gloves would be a huge help here.

And yes!! That was my first thought when I saw homeless people in downtown Chicago last winter. If I ended up homeless here, the first thing I'd do is beg and save enough to get a bus ticket to California or Florida. $170 will get you an Amtrak ticket from Chicago to LA. lol

Party-vi > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:53

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So we're just ranting about society then? Good luck changing that, my friend.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 11:55

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Yeah, kind of. lol

I know it's useless to have any sort of faith/hope in society as a whole anymore, but sometimes you just gotta vent. lol

rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 11:59

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If he was spending the same money going to the movies same result? If not, then you're just an empty moralizer. If so, then it seems like you are light on empathy. Am I missing a middle position here?

And re your edit: yes, it is fine for media for focus on, and lots of people to feel sympathy for, people that are working hard but that might not be totally perfect or laser focused on success. Those ultra-focused types of people are very rarely the ones who need help.

FKA-RacecaR > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 12:12

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That's where the "...give where you see fit." part comes in. Believe me, my wife and I have widdled down the charities we give to because of research.

We cut out giving our items to Goodwill because of their bad corporate practices. We quit giving to Susan G Komen foundation for the same reason. We make sure to give to the places where the most of our money is getting used. Or just go give time to help with something if we can instead.

And I was also referring more to an individual. A person on the street. We have a lot of those around here in the spring and summer. We talked to our kids about them and how most are con artist just looking for handouts. But if they wanted to give their money to them, they could. Then whatever that person does with the money given to them is out of their hands. They did what they could to help. But you can not help someone who is not willing to help themselves. We (my wife and I) don't usually give to those people because there are a lot of places people like that can get help.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 13:10

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Has $400 beater thats lasted almost that long....

Party-vi > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 02/12/2015 at 13:13

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I take it you've never put any work into it or paid insurance or registration fees? Typically $1,000 cars do not last long without dumping money into them.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 14:04

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Oil changes and tires is about it. Registration is cheap here in MI also PLPD insurance as well.

Honestly ive wanted the thing to die but it just wont

Party-vi > TheD0k_2many toys 2little time 02/12/2015 at 14:25

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That's usually the case with cars you want to die.

TheD0k_2many toys 2little time > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 14:38

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Good ole Ford Escorts. My family has had 4 escorts and all still ran after we got rid of them with many miles on them.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 16:32

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People were giving me a hard time when I suggested he use the money to take time off of work and learn a new trade that pays more so he can afford to fix his 16 year old Honda like a responsible adult. At the time i was saying that, he had a little over one year's pay for somebody making $10.55, so he literally could afford to take a year off. You know, the whole give a man a fish/teach a man to fish thing.

The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 > Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow 02/12/2015 at 16:43

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Exactly. What's so special about this guy? I work with single mother of two. One daughter is blind, the other is autistic. And she is going back to school for some type of medical administration/business/management type degree from a legit big name university. She busts her ass at work. And then she blew the engine in her Jeep trying to get out of some deep snow so she could get to work. That's what we call "shit happens". Is she going to make the news? No. Is oppo going to buy her a car? Probably not. But hey, if anyone feels for her, go ahead and share this and set something up. Oh, did I mention she is black/Hispanic?

You're right. $300k could have done a lot of good for a lot more people. It's a bit unfair that one guy gets to go from rags to (relative) riches cause his sad story went viral.

desertdog5051 > The Opponaut formerly known as MattP123 02/12/2015 at 17:54

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I felt the wrath of the self-righteous internet for voicing essentially the same sentiment. Except I did not suggest he learn a new trade. I suggested he find a better job. I got a lot of "It's Detroit". Sorry friends, there are a lot of really good paying jobs there to be had. I grew up in Michigan. With the auto industry back, just the suppliers alone are creating good paying jobs by the dozens.

desertdog5051 > Party-vi 02/12/2015 at 18:06

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With the $300K and a new car, he can now quit his job. Why work? When the money is gone and the car has been gambled away, he can go on welfare. Why didn't someone offer him a decent paying job job instead? Or was that not reported because it does not have the instant gratification, warm fuzzy factor of reading about all the people who donated cash?

Party-vi > desertdog5051 02/13/2015 at 08:20

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Hey now, the fuzzy factor is good for ratings.