"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
02/10/2015 at 12:20 • Filed to: None
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"HammerheadFistpunch" (hammerheadfistpunch)
02/10/2015 at 12:20 • Filed to: None | 0
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Well I have a leak on my cruisers front 3rd member after some mild wheeling this weekend
its about 1 drip per hour, I checked my birfield grease and its still grease and my breather line seems to be clear. I took it into the Independent but authorized Toyota service center where they did my axle 15,000 miles ago and they found that 5 of the lower bolts on the 3rd member were slightly out of torque and that the grease is leaking from the lowest bolt. My guess is that they didn't torque the 3rd member to spec and when I locked the front diff it torqued the 3rd member in the housing, tearing the paper gasket. So, question: what is the mileage or time limit I can reasonably expect for guaranteed work from a shop like this? Its been less than a year and, as i said, about 15,000 miles. replacing the gasket is a BIG job.
crowmolly
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:24 |
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I am not 100% sure I understand the question?
Is it how long can you expect this repair to last? Or how long their guarantee/warranty should be?
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HammerheadFistpunch
> crowmolly
02/10/2015 at 12:25 |
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The latter, this repair should be lifetime, or at least 150-200k miles. the factory seal lasted to 243,000 miles. Specifically, I am going to ask that they repair it at their cost, but am I starting to get to the mileage and or time limit on whats considered acceptable to do so? I'm kind of looking for the shops perspective here.
FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:31 |
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I would ask to replace it on their dime. And when they give you a hard time offer to pick up 25% of the tab. If they still give you lip tell them you will get on Mud, and that no one with a LC in Utah will ever use their shop again.
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crowmolly
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:31 |
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I think after 15,000 you are probably out of any warranty window.
I know the guy I used to use offers 12,000/12 months on stuff like that.
Do you still have the paperwork? They may not cover the cost of the whole thing but might cut you a break.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
02/10/2015 at 12:32 |
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Its actually kind of a big treat to take it to mud, considering that 80% of their work is cruisers or Toyota trucks. Cruiser outfitters sends all their work their way.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> crowmolly
02/10/2015 at 12:34 |
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I still have all the paperwork. if it matters they replaced the yoke seal 12,000 miles ago on the front.
RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:34 |
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It's a big job? I'm a little surprised by that. A LR, very similar sort of setup, just requires you to pop a steering link off, take loose the 6 swivel housing bolts each side, and retract the steering units with axle shafts far enough to pull the diff (about 2" each side, then another four driveshaft bolts, 11 diff bolts).
Then again, maybe my index for a "big job" is out of whack.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
02/10/2015 at 12:37 |
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Its basically a front axle rebuild since its requires removing the hub and axles which means replacing seals since they are a no-reuse item. I suppose you could limit the damage to just the hub seals and 3rd member gasket but from the people I've talked to it is usually a fully seal replacement...granted that's assuming that the work wasn't recently done (while your in there you might as well... kind of thing)
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crowmolly
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:37 |
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Check it out and see if it says anything.
A good shop will cut you a break, and MAYBE they will cover it if they are slow/can spare the labor hours to keep you happy. I would certainly ask. But I wouldn't really expect it after a year and 15k.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> crowmolly
02/10/2015 at 12:39 |
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its also been less than 12 months, but I will check on the paper work. Hopefully they can cut my a break if they don't do it outright because its about a $1500 job.
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FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:40 |
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That's good, be glad you have some leverage. I need to check my Birf grease, I know its been leaking into the main axle.
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crowmolly
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:41 |
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Yeah, but it tends to be something like 12,000 or 12 months or whatever.
Best of luck, I swear I'm not trying to be a huge killjoy. Just trying to offer their perspective so you can fire back if necessary.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
02/10/2015 at 12:41 |
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INTO the axle? thats weird, usually its the other way around.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:43 |
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With the Rover, the hub is full-floating and the axle shaft is supported on a bearing to the inside of the swivel ball, so the whole thing (even with the wheel still attached) can just pop out of the way. It technically means you'd have to reuse the gasket at the end of the axle case unless you want the swivel units off the truck completely clear (so disconnecting the brake hose and both sides' steering links), but that's it. You just have to get the axles far enough out of the way, and it's then an easy job that requires no hub breakdowns, brake removal, or any other misery.
The rear axle is even easier - pop six bolts each side, retract axle with cap, pull third member... with wheels still on the truck.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
02/10/2015 at 12:44 |
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LC is full floating as well, I will have to look at the FSM to see if its doable without replacing too many seals.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:54 |
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Bolts loose - *yoink*. This guy has even taken more than I would off.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:54 |
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It sounds as though the repair was not done to spec. Hence they should fix that on their dime.
Most shops which want to keep a good reputation will re-do it without charging you (too much, you may have to pay for the consumables, depending on the shop). Especially if you have the original paperwork from the repair.
Hence why the paperwork I have from the Ford dealer for my 8.8 axle rebuild in the glovebox.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
02/10/2015 at 12:57 |
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a cursory glace looks like I would need to:
replace hub gasket
replace wheel bearing seal
preload wheel bearing
dust shield seal (maybe)
dust seal gasket gasket
remove steering arm
remove drag link
So no, it doesn't look like i need new axle seals or knuckle seals, but far from easy.
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FJ80WaitinForaLSV8
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 12:58 |
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Its leaking gear oil on the passenger side. When I changed the gear oil 12 or so months ago I noticed that at first a really thick grease came out and then what looked like normal gear oil. This and the fact that the magnetized plug has shit tons of metal flakes stuck to it led me to hypothesize that the molybdenum grease was seeping into the axle itself. The front axle really needs a rebuild but it needs to survive one more cross country drive before the engine swap and other assorted overhaul items take place.
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HammerheadFistpunch
> RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
02/10/2015 at 13:00 |
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ah, yeah, I need to pull the hub and wheel bearing.
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RamblinRover Luxury-Yacht
> HammerheadFistpunch
02/10/2015 at 13:01 |
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The perils of having a vehicle without self-contained steering units. *sniff*