"BrtStlnd" (BrtStlnd)
12/02/2015 at 11:11 • Filed to: Beer Goggles
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"BrtStlnd" (BrtStlnd)
12/02/2015 at 11:11 • Filed to: Beer Goggles | 4
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A buddy sent this to me this morning. I’m not going to endorse or criticize, but I will certainly agree with his point that some cars get overly romanticised and it isn’t always deserved.
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Wobbles the Mind
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:15 |
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TheHondaBro
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:24 |
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Just don’t share this around Jalopnik. I don’t want you to get hurt.
Margin Of Error
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:26 |
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carthrottle.com
SOUNDS LEGIT
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:26 |
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Good luck convincing people that their car isn’t inherently good by a single number or trait though. The next “ONLY RWD IS FUN” commenter I see will be doomhammered.
Ash78, voting early and often
> Wobbles the Mind
12/02/2015 at 11:27 |
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I can’t tell you how long that whole “cars mentioned in the Bible” thing has been going around, but I think it was one of the first email forwards I ever received at my first AOL account in 1994. It probably goes back to Usenet :D
The original list had like 20 references (this was just one of them).
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BrtStlnd
> TheHondaBro
12/02/2015 at 11:29 |
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meh
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BrtStlnd
> Margin Of Error
12/02/2015 at 11:30 |
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Hey aren’t you due for another Boeing vs Airbus comparo?
Montalvo
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:31 |
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I can agree and disagree depending on the car and opinions are entirely subjective. That said I would like to retort about their feelings about the E30.
That car had some magic to it that has been missing in the last few generations. Sure it may not be fast in todays world since progress never stands still but it can always be used as a benchmark at least in terms of feeling. That car felt special and has an x-factor that made it pop for a reason. Whose to say that the DD can’t be modified either? Take a regular E30 and modify it even using parts from newer models and the end result will more than likely put a smile on your face more often than a regular new model.
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Margin Of Error
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:32 |
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Any idea ?
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Wobbles the Mind
> Ash78, voting early and often
12/02/2015 at 11:32 |
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The best part is they keep getting updated with images of the current models. I remember hearing the Accord joke while playing Sim City on my Super Nintendo.
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BrtStlnd
> Montalvo
12/02/2015 at 11:33 |
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MAGIC X-FACTOR ... plus a Clarkson gif. You’ve hit all the stereotypes, achievement unlocked!
(this is exactly what we’re talking about)
Tripper
> Montalvo
12/02/2015 at 11:34 |
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Totally agree I would dd an E30 in any flavor over 90% of modern cars (90% of modern cars that I can afford anyway.)
Steve is equipped with Electronic Fool Injection
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:38 |
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By all means, celebrate older performance cars for what they achieved in their time, for how they stood up to their contemporaries. The E30 M3 and countless others deserve that. But don’t whatever you do put them on some sort of pedestal like they’re still the benchmark for driver’s cars. They’re not, and that’s just fine .
THIS!
Seriously - nostalgia is a drug. The past wasn’t as good as you think it was.
Daily Drives a Dragon - One Last Lap
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 11:39 |
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Yes, old cars are old. Yes new cars are better. But 1990s sports cars looked absolutely beautiful.
Really I just wanted to post a Spirit R
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themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Montalvo
12/02/2015 at 11:40 |
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See I got tired of that “x-factor” after seeing how many of them vomited fluids, had catastrophic electrical failures, and got beat by my 1997 monte carlo at autocross. Might be a fun ivntage toy, but admit that you’re fooling yourself if you say it’s a great car.
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Montalvo
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 12:08 |
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Yeah, the x-factor, the special feeling, the magic that was infused into what at first was but steel, rubber and glass. Whatever you want to call it, I think that car had something a little extra that others normally don’t. I’ll put it this way then, I have driven $500 shitboxes and $200,000 supercars and some cars feel special while others don’t. What I found was that regardless of price or age, some cars felt special. As I wrote before in my first sentence “OPINONS ARE SUBJECTIVE.” They had their opinion that they shouldn’t be held to the regard that many have for them and I had the opposite. Welcome to America you have freedom of speech and can think whatever you damn well please. No one is wrong nor are they right. The Clarkson gif is just a classic point of “hey that is your opinion and I think you are totally wrong” in a jesting sort of way.
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BrtStlnd
> Montalvo
12/02/2015 at 12:10 |
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You’re serious with the first sentence! That’s great.
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Montalvo
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
12/02/2015 at 12:13 |
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I think they are great fun but that is me. You can have an entirely different experience. I know all about how faulty and crappy they can be, I had a buddy who still has his that was completely borked in the cooling department. Couldn’t reach 70 without overheating. We were on a road trip and what was the response to this issue? We took off the front fascia of his 318 to try and get some more airflow and were even contemplating taking off the hood much like every other Roadkill car. A car that is an absolute pile can be a draining experience but a well maintained one can be pretty fun as well. The cars are over 20 years old for god’s sake of course your mileage could vary.
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Montalvo
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 12:16 |
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Yes, I am and it is great. God forbid I enjoy a car much more than others.
jjhats
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 12:16 |
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stupid article is stupid. old cars have feel new cars don’t
NJAnon
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 13:18 |
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I always thought that was just a tongue in cheek thing. Does the BMW community love that M3 E30 car that much that they ignore all the newer M lineup?
Even I don’t get blinded by nostalgia that much. :P
petebmwm
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 13:36 |
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when bmw was coming out with the 1m coupe, they told the engineers to drive the e30 m3 and “make it feel like that”. now with the m2 coming out bmw released a video with the e30 m3 and the m2.. new cars will never feel like old cars. they can’t, they’re to heavy and to idiot proof, you need no real skill to be master full at the art of driving with esp, dsc, asc, dtc, etc..... it almost takes a special talent to crash a new car that’s constantly trying to save you, look no further than the 911 turbo for comparison. 930 vs whatever number the new one is. The old car was trying to kill you, but if you knew how to drive it it was immensely rewarding, it was automotive Darwinism in its finest hour! the e30 m3 is a great car because it exists the same as every other homologation special, weather it be rally, dtm, or even nascar, it was a specific tool, for a specific job, at a specific time. these cars make no apologies for what they are. new cars are better than old cars the same way a new smartphone is better than the old one, technology gets better and as a culture we advance, drop an i phone though and it’ll shatter, drop an old nokia and it’ll break the floor.
911e46z06
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 14:00 |
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Disagree. If you’re running for lap times and 0-60 numbers, yeah, new cars are faster. But on a curvy back road, I’ll take an older car every time. I haven’t driven an e30 M3, but I’ve driven plenty of old cars. You can get so much more connected to the car without computers and shit in the way. Sure, the technology is old, and steering can be vague, and power can be sluggish, but once you live with that and get a feel for the car, stuff like that becomes part of the experience. I think this take is a result of driving “a lot of old and new cars like we’re fortunate enough to” (their words) without really getting to know any of them.
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BrtStlnd
> 911e46z06
12/02/2015 at 14:55 |
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I understand what you’re saying. The article doesn’t argue that it isn’t fun or a great experience to drive.
It just says that if you’re looking for precision you might be disappointed.
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911e46z06
> BrtStlnd
12/02/2015 at 17:36 |
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I read it to say that old cars are slower and sloppier and therefore not as good to drive. And while old cars should be appreciated as historical artifacts (you know, like the Shroud of Turin, or the cotton gin), everyone should buy an e92 M3 instead of a classic because heavy weight, high power, computerized steering, and aggressive traction control make for a superior driving experience.
Wheelerguy
> BrtStlnd
12/03/2015 at 00:04 |
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Can’t say much because I grew up in the 458 generation, but this much I’ll say: never count the new machines out. It’s not like the F335 or 993 or NSX were legends out of the box.
Be honest: if this level of disdain for today’s cars showed up 20, 30, 40 years earlier despite the cars themselves being great, would they be revered the way they are now?
Put another way: Chris Harris wouldn’t have compared driving the LaFerrari to a 1959 Lister if he hasn’t driven a 1959 Lister.