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"mkbruin, Atlas VP" (mkbruin) 11/24/2015 at 08:12 • Filed to: None

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Several questions... What event will spark WW3? Who will win? What does the world look like post fallout?

Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:14

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The downing of a Russian of US jet over Syria by one of the former

Who’d win? Depends on what kind of war you’d be fighting

Post fallout? Fallout 4 is forever

LongbowMkII > Supreme Chancellor and Glorious Leader SaveTheIntegras 11/24/2015 at 08:22

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Time to go to the surplus store and stock up on military grade duct tape.

LongbowMkII > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:28

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I don’t see a WW3 scenario. Honestly, Russia doesn’t have many allies. China isn’t beholden to Russia for support like they were after the Chinese Civil War and WW2. I could see us going to war with Russia over an FATAL incident, but not China.

Now if France allies with Russia...wellllll... that could be... bad.

Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:29

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I love how these map projections make Greenland look big and Canada look small.

Bad Idea Hat > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:30

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Shooting of protesters in Minnesota by men who were masked and may or may not have been wearing bulletproof vests.

THAT could be real trouble.

punkgoose17 > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:35

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I think Iceland, Bolivia, and Mongolia will remain neutral. India will get sucked into the war by being attacked by China or Pakistan. Ukraine should be blue but will be quickly swallowed up by Russia. I am not sure how WWIII will start because so many countries are economically dependent on trade with one another.

Chris_K_F drives an FR-Slow > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:38

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What event? I think the next major world power will likely emerge through a very gradual, to the point where it’s almost unrecognizable, economic takeover. There won’t be a need for a major war, but one could follow once people realize that the majority of international economic power is no longer in the hands of their country.

Who’d win? It depends on how you define “win.” The U.S. certainly has the military strength, ability, and knowledge to win in a war, but would be so drained, in both resources and finances, that it would not be the same country after.

What would it look like? Not sure. I’m hoping that by then we will have made contact with an intergalactic race, and I will have been taken off of this planet to finally become a Jedi.

DarkCreamyBeer > LongbowMkII 11/24/2015 at 08:54

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And SPAM. Don't forget the SPAM.

qbeezy > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 08:56

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A terrorist attack attached to a sovereign nation. Then the world will divide itself then fight it out in the usual places such as the middle East, southeast Asia and Africa. It won’t be as bloody as say WW2, but there would be a high amount of civilian death because super powers won’t give a f*ck at that point.

Snuze: Needs another Swede > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 09:15

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I have a few questions in return - are we talking conventional war or going full nuclear?

I think nuclear war between super powers is highly unlikely. MAD works as a deterrent, and everyone has too much to lose. What I could see is a non-super power, or maybe even a sophisticated and bankrolled non-state actor getting ahold of a nuke and taking out a major city, probably in Russia or China. I don’t see the US or Western Europe going nuclear even if one of our cities got obliterated, but I don’t think the Russians or Chinese would have any qualms about retaliating in kind. What I see in a scenario like this is retaliation goes overboard or awry and ends up taking out a western ally and western superpowers are pretty much forced to respond in kind. Next thing you know, boom, WWIII and we are all living the Fallout life. Overall, I think this is unlikely but plausible.

I think conventional war on a large is more likely, but probably still pretty unlikely right now. All the major actors have too much to lose. I think the US/Western Europe alliance is strong so I don’t think you’d see a conflict between any of those players. China is developing as an economic powerhouse, so there’s no reason for them to go to war with the US/Europe, they are too busy winning financially. Russia does a lot of posturing but their economy is too weak and they don’t have a lot of friends, so it just doesn’t make sense for them to start something.

As for what precipitates a large scale global conflict, I have 2 theories. One is resources. This is old trope - there’s only finite (oil, coal, etc.) and everyone wants it and eventually people clash. In this scenario I see the battle lines being drawn as the USA+Canada+Western Europe+Japan+Australia vs. Russia+China+India+Brazil.

The other, darker theory I have is a global plague. I hate to sound morbid but I think as we delve further into GMOs and biological testing and enter the post-antibiotics era, humanity is about due for a plague of population crushing proportions, like a 25-50% population reduction or more. I think that something this serious could set off a chain of events that would pit “third world” against “first world”. And I don’t necessarily mean country against country, it could be working poor populations in developed countries against the upper classes. This could manifest as a drive for resources, i.e. a cure or vaccine is developed but is very difficult to manufacture so its limited and expensive, so only the rich get it. Or, more likely, a crack-pot simply whips the filthy masses into a frenzy to take advantage of the weakened state of civilization to usurp the current ruling class.

Sweet Trav > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 09:17

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USA (and allies) vs Middle East Nations (with Russia) vs China (And South East Asian allies)

What starts it? My guess, US foreign policy sticking its nose where it doesnt belong.

Battlefield 2 got it right.

Sweet Trav > DarkCreamyBeer 11/24/2015 at 09:18

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Dont you mean CRAM?

jariten1781 > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 09:34

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There won’t be a full scale major powers war again until the nuclear disarmament folks get their way. Just not going to happen.

Proxy wars and isolated incidents will be it.

If there is a continued draw down on nukes it's possible that we'll see full scale stuff again in 50-100 years, but the instigating events are way too hard to predict this far out.

Justin Hughes > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 10:23

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I don’t think it would be a spark so much as a slow boil. It starts with something like, say, Turkey shooting down a Russian plane passing through their airspace. ( Like that would happen .) Russia responds and bombs the base the Turkish F-16s came from - not to invade or annihilate Turkey, just to neutralize the local threat to their operations in Syria, from their point of view. Turkey gets angry, as do its NATO allies, who do things like sanctions against Russia and moving their aircraft into Turkey for protection. Russia and NATO wave their dicks at each other for a while until, whether an accident or on purpose, someone shoots someone else down. Then everyone starts fighting each other, but in Turkey and Syria, not in their home countries, because nobody wants to get nuked. Ultimately it’s the Middle East that pays the price for our squabbling.

More likely a nuclear threat would come from terrorists who are able to whip up a bomb and set it off in some populated area. While countries are deterred by mutually assured destruction, terrorists don’t care. They also don’t have their own sovereign territory that can be retaliated against with a nuclear threat. Civilian casualties are already a huge problem with conventional weapons when retaliating against terrorists. I don’t think anyone would look kindly on dropping a nuke into the middle of ISIS territory and killing countless innocent non-terrorist Syrians living there.

wiffleballtony > LongbowMkII 11/24/2015 at 11:09

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And Desk fans as it turns out.

RallyWrench > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 12:55

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I have no fucking clue what will happen, but I think about it each and every day, and it scares the shit out of me because I worry for my children. Seems to me it should be pretty damn easy to get along on a small planet, but the world’s leaders can only communicate by waving their dicks around and whipping up the morons in their constituencies with religious and political zealotry, so we’re probably fucked.

The Compromiser > mkbruin, Atlas VP 11/24/2015 at 18:40

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A bad DWTS Finale with Putin losing out to North West. Togo. It will have tons of glitter whatever it becomes.