Tavarish May Say Turbo

"UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy" (smithtaylorm) 11/13/2015 at 08:47 • Filed to: None

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But I say GTS.

Edit: I should mention, I do prefer GT3’s over the GTS but after looking at prices for used 997.1/997.2 GT3’s, I don’t think I’d ever be able to spend that coin on a car, especially one I couldn’t really drive on public roads as much as I’d like.

Jack Does Cars > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 09:03

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I say RS America because I’m certifiably insane.

Brian Silvestro > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 09:10

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why

the GT3 exists

Too many M's > Jack Does Cars 11/13/2015 at 09:22

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Crazy like a fox. I wish I was in a position when the market was down to buy one of these (among other air-cooled P-cars)

Too many M's > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 09:23

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It’s a fine car, but I don’t like it for two reasons:

1. Most were PDK

2. Centerlock wheels. Pain in the ass with a capital P-I-T-A

Too many M's > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 09:26

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I agree with you, but the distinguished gentleman who no longer uses his GT3 for various reasons might sell and pick up one of these. Really not an uncommon trend I’ve seen on rennlist.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 09:28

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Yup. With a manual and good old-fashioned hydraulic steering.

The 997 still looks good, but sadly it is showing its age compared to the design of the 991.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 09:29

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The GT3 is probably unattainable for any budget I will ever have to spend on a car, even as a chemical engineer. I’ve always wanted a GT3 but I’d like something more road friendly.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 09:29

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Some of us have children , Brian!

I’d be the guy who’d retrofit a back seat into a GT3, though...

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Jack Does Cars 11/13/2015 at 09:31

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I love these as well, but I’m thinking more of a budget and age sense. Out of 997’s, I’d choose a GTS, or maybe a GT3 if I didn’t need road civility. However, if all generations were considered I’d most definitely go straight to any 964. The 964 is probably my favorite gen, as well as I’ve always dreamed of getting one from my birth year (‘93)

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Too many M's 11/13/2015 at 09:31

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Do manual versions command a huge premium?

I agree with you on the centerlocks, even if they look really cool. Many owners convert them to a standard setup, though.

Jack Does Cars > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 09:31

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I agree, the GTS is the best 997

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/13/2015 at 09:36

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I don’t think I’d have a manual post 997, h0wever 997 or older, con manuel is the only way. Something about a 7 speed gearbox along with the evolution of the PDK trans makes me think I’d rather flap a paddle than spend my time shifting. I haven’t driven a 7 speed yet so I could be off base there.

Too many M's > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/13/2015 at 09:38

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I’ve seen fewer manuals and they are priced close to the middle of the price graph.

True, I’ve heard of that. Haven’t actually seen how much it costs.

Flat Six > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 10:02

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Because back seats and ground clearance!

AM3R shamefully returns > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 10:07

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Shhhh... Stop... Please

Don’t let out the GTS secret. I’ve been searching for a nice manual 997.2 GTS for months. 991 GTS’s are just as nice.. And depreciation seems to be my friend.

Jack Does Cars > Too many M's 11/13/2015 at 10:18

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In 2008, nobody could give away RS America’s for more than $40,000. And now a good one is at least $95,000

Too many M's > Jack Does Cars 11/13/2015 at 10:22

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Crazy talk. Just in 2012 I was scoffing at 996 GT3s hovering around the low $40k’s thinking they’d dip down a bit more. Now even beat examples are still in the $50-60k range.

Jack Does Cars > Too many M's 11/13/2015 at 10:26

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The 911 market is INSANE

yitznewton > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 10:28

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964 baby. Air-cooled snobs unite!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Too many M's 11/13/2015 at 10:31

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I’m not sure how safe it really is, either...

http://rennlist.com/forums/997-gt2…

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 10:35

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I just know that if I had a PDK, it’d end up being left in automatic mode 90% of the time. The PDK is better in every measurable way, but I just love the engagement of driving a manual, the feeling of being one with the machine. Don’t think I’d get that pushing buttons or pulling paddles.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/13/2015 at 10:43

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As much as I want to be progressive and be open to change, when it comes down to it I agree whole heartedly. I’ve only driven manual cars, and they’ve all been boring econoboxes, and the only redeeming feature they all had were that they had a stick. I think even saying now I’d have a PDK 991, when it came time to pull the trigger I’d still have to test drive both gearboxes.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 10:56

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Good choices are fantastic things for enthusiasts!

I hurt my back this past weekend, and was very thankful to have my old beater automatic Pathfinder to drive to work a few days...

I’ve always had a manual, too:

‘86 Camry
‘88 Acura Legend
‘91 Accord
(back in the Legend)
‘05 Mazda 3s hatch (bought new)
‘08 M3 sedan =)

Brian Silvestro > Too many M's 11/13/2015 at 11:17

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I can’t think of one good reason for why one might do that other than 4wd, but even then snow tires exist

Brian Silvestro > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 11:18

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I’ve always wanted a GT3 but I’d like something more road friendly.

this makes no sense

you can put license plates on a GT3

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy 11/13/2015 at 11:19

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I agree. Always loved the GTS models.

Too many M's > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 11:23

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PDK (third pedal is difficult for some older drivers), more compliant ride. Real rear seats for tiny grandchildren. Newer platform with a warranty.

UnderSTeerEnthusiast - Triumph Fanboy > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 11:52

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Yes, that is true!

I was given a ride in an M3 GTS for multiple all-out laps on the Nurburgring this spring. On track, the GTS’ suspension was amazing. While the track was red flagged, my buddy I was riding with took it out on the street to drive around Nurburg and get gas. Based on that experience and that the GTS competes against the GT3 (therefore my assumption is the suspension would be similar), I don’t think I’d be able to drive a suspension setup like that on the street even if it’s legal.

Sam > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 12:04

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You can put license plates on a group B or C car as well (Group C being registered as a kit). Doesn’t make them a good road car.

Sam > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 11/13/2015 at 12:05

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Pulling paddles is pretty damn fun though, especially when the response is faster than you can think.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Sam 11/13/2015 at 12:11

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I’m sure it can be. Only dual-clutch I’ve driven is a DSG-equipped A3, fwiw.

Brian Silvestro > Sam 11/13/2015 at 12:32

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I guess my logic is flawed

Sam > Brian Silvestro 11/13/2015 at 12:46

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Too many M's > Jack Does Cars 11/13/2015 at 13:02

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Seriously, I wish the rumored bubble would burst already so I can finally enter it!