Calling Steve Lehto - VW Dieselgate

"Grab Paddle" (grabpaddle) 11/04/2015 at 10:27 • Filed to: None

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Steve. I own a 2015 Audi TDI Q5. I want to take it to the dealership and have them buy it back. How do I do this?

Feel like this car is a total loss now. These must be worth 20% of their purchase price and through no fault of the customer. How is it ok that I suffer a huge financial loss because of some hyper rich CEO’s mismanagement?

CalzoneGolem > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:30

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Step 1: Call the dealership and ask.

Step 2: There is no step 2.

Confused Miata > CalzoneGolem 11/04/2015 at 10:32

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I agree completely. Offering to buy something else from them may help you..

EL_ULY > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:32

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The intelligent thing to do is call one of those lawyers on the TV commercials that shout all the time. The totally not an actor says they’ll give her $5,000,000 guaranteed.

Nibby > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:33

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Take it to Nissan and trade it in for a shiny new Versa. You know you want it.

Nibby > EL_ULY 11/04/2015 at 10:34

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Personal question, how much are your cookies insured for?

PatBateman > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:35

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As of right now, they won't.

jariten1781 > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:36

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Mutually agree (good luck); or, if it’s failing enough, -> trigger the lemon law (good luck).

There aren’t any other provisions for a buy back I’ve ever heard of.

Steve in Manhattan > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:40

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If they fixed the car so it worked as advertised, would you keep it?

Grab Paddle > Steve in Manhattan 11/04/2015 at 10:45

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I think they can’t fix these so they work as advertised, meaning the customer has been defrauded and they should offer to either buy back or give financial reparations due to the extreme value loss these will incur.

McMike > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:46

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Does the Q5 have a 3.0? Wasn’t that just announced this week?

Too soon. They’re not buying back anything yet.

EL_ULY > Nibby 11/04/2015 at 10:48

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$10,000 a chip!

Grab Paddle > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:51

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Has anyone compared the value of 2.0 TDI cars on KBB or NADA from August to now?

Biased Plies > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:57

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Don’t quote me on this but I think I recall reading somewhere that their resale value has dropped by about $1500 on average.

crowmolly > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:58

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They will probably just reprogram it and cut you a check for the difference in fuel.

Steve in Manhattan > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 10:58

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I am a lawyer - I would of course defer to Lehto, but I’d think a buyback would only happen after a class action forced it. The dealer sold the car presumably without knowledge of the defect, and they’re not going to want to take the hit for VW’s mistake because at this point I doubt VW would indemnify them. Quick and dirty, but that’s my view. I’d look around and see which, if any, class actions you can join.

Grab Paddle > Biased Plies 11/04/2015 at 10:59

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So in the dealership universe, that’s more like 5k.

Biased Plies > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 11:00

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Bit of a knee-jerk reaction to this latest news, don’t you think.

Does the car work just fine? Yes? Just wait a bit and see how this plays out. I have a feeling there may be some left-over coding in these cars that they don’t necessarily need because these cars, unlike the 2.0TDIs, are equipped with a urea injection system.

Nibby > EL_ULY 11/04/2015 at 11:11

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Neat

Grab Paddle > Steve in Manhattan 11/04/2015 at 11:45

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I realize the dealership is a middle-man, and VW would have to buy back or offer reparations. The issue is that VW did know about this, and sold them anyway. I agree, only a class action will propel the conglomerate to act.

Rico > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 11:47

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Shit I would buy it off you for 20% of the purchase price.

shop-teacher > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 12:13

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Well, if I’ve learned anything from reading all of Lehto’s articles, it’s that you’re going to have to sue. Good luck!

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 12:24

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Okay, this is going to make me sound like an asshole, but I feel as though it needs to be said.

Not knowing the situation, it almost sounds as though there’s buyer’s remorse on your part and you no longer want your vehicle. The VW diesel fiasco is just a convenient way to get rid of the car without taking a loss. How long were you planning on keeping the Audi anyway?

Yes, the VW Group was skirting the EPA rules. They got caught. The best you can hope for is them to cut a check for the difference between what they were going for, and what they are currently going for. You put wear & tear on this car, and as such it is no longer worth what it was when it rolled off the lot. To expect a buyback to happen is a pipe dream.

Should VW be accountable? Sure. And I’m sure they're pretty screwed now as far as sales go, as this has left a sour taste in many a buyers mouth. But what does this accountability mean for the individual consumer? Probably not much in the long run I imagine. They'll offer a fix, and if you're lucky a check for diminished value. Automakers aren't in the business of giving away money.

Grab Paddle > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 11/04/2015 at 12:49

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Automakers aren’t in the business of giving away money.

No, they just lied about their product and need to be held accountable. Everybody buys things for different reasons and I bought this car for two specifically: good gas mileage and better resale since diesels are rare for this model and at the time we’re becoming more in demand meaning the depreciation wouldn’t have fallen as fast. The depreciation I will suffer because it’s a diesel, because of their gross negligence is what I want them to cover, whether that means them buying back the car or offering reparations. Pretty simple.

Steve in Manhattan > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 12:50

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I’m not quite sure what the cause-of-action would be, but it’s possible that the dealers sue VW as well - guessing they have back lots full of unsold diesels.

StndIbnz, Drives a MSRT8 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 11/04/2015 at 14:22

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I’m with you. I don’t see a buy back in anyone’s future, so get over it. It will blow over once they are “fixed” or in a few years time anyways. You don’t see Toyota’s with higher depreciation because of unintended acceleration do you?

Sam > Grab Paddle 11/04/2015 at 15:02

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KBB says that the dealer value is about $1,400 below MSRP.