![]() 10/05/2015 at 19:42 • Filed to: halp | ![]() | ![]() |
Not about motorized vehicles. Decaying Cougar before the question.
I’m 21, 6’5”, 320ish lbs and I’d like to lose some flab and maybe add a little muscle. Can anyone recommend some good options to help me achieve a goal of getting 280ish or under? I’ve been checking out CrossFit at the extreme side of things, Pilates, and struggling to figure out where I could start in a gym.
I have been eating much healthier by cutting out a ton of junk/frozen food, eating much more fruit and vegetables, and have cut out fast food almost completely. The last few months have been about getting myself healthier starting with mental and emotional health, I now feel that I’m at a good point to start working towards better physical health. Much thanks to anyone who can offer solid advice. Will reward with car pictures of choice.
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Get a job involving physical labor and a good diet. I went from 330 to 190 doing that.
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Just start running and stop eating eat less.
After a while, start working in some weights.
Dont need no none of that fancy programs
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Considered that but I enjoy my job as part of management in a local coffee shop. It’s close to home (2 miles), decent pay, and works around school very well.
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Eat less. Eat healthy. Be more active.
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Loosing weight is easy. Keeping it off is the hard part. It sounds like you’re off to a great start though, starting with the mental health side of things.
Try adjusting your diet first. Minimize carbs, fats, and sugars - all of those food groups need to make up a very small % of your diet, as the excess energy they produce is hard to burn up. Once you’ve reached a point where your weight is stable, ramp up the exercise. Be consistent rather than extreme. Find something you like to do! This will increase your appetite but if you stick to your new diet, you’ll continue to loose weight! Remember: Don’t get discouraged! And keep a written record of your progress.
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Eating less has been happening fairly rapidly. I’ve been paying attention to portions much more which has made a noticeable waist size difference, a little but noticeable.
I try running every so often but it’s extremely hard on my right hip and knee which I royally screwed up in high school. It’s something I’m trying to work past but the pain is quite hard to deal with after running a mile or two. Cycling will be happening when I finish fixing up my dad’s old road bike. I don't particularly like the thought of many of the program's other than Pilates for its mental boosts.
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Portion control. Then exercise.
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Working on portions and doing well there. Any exercise recommendations?
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Jumping into this as someone who drinks too many of them, cutting out soda almost completely helps a ton as well. I lost 50lbs in high school just with those two things.
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First two are coming along well, the more active part is what I'm now focusing on. Any recommendations of where to start?
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My suggestions for losing weight:
-walk places if it isn’t far.
-Take the stairs instead of the elevator
-If it’s a bit far to walk, take a bicycle
-don’t eat carbohydrate-heavy food after 4pm
-If you live close to work/school, walk or ride your bicycle instead of driving.
-Try to do 1 hour of walking or some other type of excercise every day.
-Eat food that has a lower GI rating (the lower the GI rating, the longer it takes to digest... makes you feel full longer)
http://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-eating…
And for foods not listed, check here:
http://www.glycemicindex.com/index.php
So if you get bread, instead of getting white bread which is usually around a 70, get coarser bread which is around a 30-50
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Cut out soda, walk/light jog for about 45min + a day if you can, because by the 45 min mark you start burning fat and not carbs anymore. (That’s what my Health Science Professor said last semester.)
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Not really... biking maybe? I have yet to bring myself to do that part tbh :)
One thing I found helped me (I’m bit of a compulsive snacker) was stuff like rice crispies, it takes a while to eat any significant quantity
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Crap.
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Loosing weight is pretty simple, I dropped 35lbs last year. I cut out soda and went on a pretty strict 15o0-1800 calorie per day diet, and it was all gone in about 3 months.
As for the building muscle part, if I knew how to help you there, I’d have done it myself.
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Walk everywhere you can. Walk to explore - get out and spend Sunday afternoon with friends on city walks, country hikes, beach walks, whatever.
If your knees or hips give you trouble, try cycling.
Weightlifting for tone and not mass is easy, too. Pick something light, 5-10 lbs maybe, and do tons and tons of reps. Look for lifts that work different muscles and can get you to work up a bit of a sweat. This is great because you can do it in front of the TV.
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Now if I could lose those 50lbs again, that would be great.
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Get a calorie counter app on your phone and see just how much you’re actually eating. I use MyFitnessPal.
Second, start lifting weights. Get a buddy or two to go to the gym with you and start doing the free weights.
http://www.webmd.boots.com/fitness-exerci…
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/workouts/arnol…
My friends and I instead of sitting around watching TV head to the gym to workout first. I still get to hang out with my friends but now we’re getting in shape too.
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Spicy food helps. Which is great from my point of view.
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I went from 280ish down to a steady 155.
Things I found: losing weight is 100 percent portion control. After years of diets (low carb, low fat, protein rich, ballanced crap, etc) with no permanent success I went a different tack. Two meals a day with whatever I wanted to eat....as long as it fit on a small saucer. No cheating and stacking vertically, but if you want steak, baked potatoes and green beans, go for it...you just get 1/4 the steak, 1/2 the potato, and a little scoop o’ beans. Once you get past month two or so the starving feeling completely goes away and the weight just keeps coming off.
For exercise I bought a rowing machine since its about the best whole body low impact workout if you don’t own an Olympic pool. Frankly though, I wasn’t very consistent with it and don’t credit the exercise much with the weight loss...I think that was 95 plus percent the portions.
Been holding it off for 6 or 7 years now. You can totally do it if you set the simple rule and stick to it 100 percent the time without cheating.
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Try anything. Just being more active is the first step. As you try things, you find what you like and don’t like.
If you’re up for it, I could use a running buddy. We live close, so it would easy to meet. but you may not want to start with something so high impact until you build some core strength and lose some initial weight. Running is very hard on your joints when you’re not ready for it.
The track at the Kettering rec center is free. They have little stations around it for other exercises.
Delco park also has a cross-training track with stations and exercise instructions for each one.
YouTube workout videos are free as well.
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Bike to work as often as possible. Two miles is an easy ride so you wont need to sink-shower when you get there.
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bikinig doesn;t shed pounds nearly as fast as running but its still good, especially if it hurts to run.
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For me, the most important “extra” thing has been upper body work, not even very heavy, as long as I do some arm/chest/back exercises in addition to my normal routine (routine hiking, proactive though I admit less than perfect diet) I will consistently loose weight. If something happens where I can’t, then I slowly gain. I just have a super cheap set of free weights at home - nothing special. 15-20 minutes 3-4 times a week and I can watch the TV. I do it in the early evening and it seems to improve the quality of my sleep and general mood as well.
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I’ve had the “magic” of kettlebells regularly preached to me, so I’ve been comparing those and free weights. Any input on that? 20 minutes, 3-4 times a week is pretty doable for me, plus the walking is easy. I’ve been working my dogs into a walking routine already for their health and mine, plus two pooped pups are easier to deal with when doing homework especially since they’re both active breeds.
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Yeah, I’m aware of that downsides to cycling. The hip and knee stuff are issues I’ve been working around, walking is pretty easy on them so that’s what I try to do a couple times a week already.
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never tried kettlebells - I’m sure they would work - though seem a bit awkward to me. I got weights used at a garage sale, just a bar and a set of dumbbells, though honestly even new ones really are not that expensive if you stay pretty basic, (and “fancy” doesn’t work any better.)
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That sounds promising, I hate limiting my food options since I enjoy many things/styles. Portions are much easier to do since I can still have what I wish for the most part. What size saucer, as in centimeters/inches?
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I like everything you’re saying, would just need more friends or the one who would work out with me to live closer than 40 minutes north haha. The gym is something I admit I’ll have to work up to, it’s a confidence issue that I’m still working on.
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Body weight exercises. Caloric deficit. Seriously, pushups, squats, crunches. Cardio is your friend, break a sweat.
Dope e30, e24or e39 pics?
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you can lose weight really quickly if you try. I lost 80 lbs when I was 15. Its all about eating super healthy. Around 1400 calories a day with an hour of cardio exersyse will allow you to lose the weight super fast. There would be weeks when I could lose 10lbs or more. Its totally possible. I was able to do this in less than a year, around 8 months and that’s with being stable at 155 then losing more after the summer had past. I got down to like 135. totally do able just keep at it and in no time youll see resaults
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The walking is definitely going to be happening 3 days a week starting tomorrow, for mine and my dogs benefit. I’ve cut out most soda and liquid sugar the last 5 years(except a couple lattes a week, I work in a coffee shop so I have a weak spot). I’m certainly interested in that 45+ minute walking factoid, is it the same/similar for dogs?
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I will be researching this GI information, never heard of it before. It’s a good thing I dislike white bread then. The carbohydrate heavy food is definitely going to be getting cut down, why 4pm though?
Working on fixing the bike for the work commute, not sure of a time line because I need to buy glasses asap. I can do some of the work myself but will be having a local shop taking a good look at my bike as well since they actually know what they’re doing. Also I hate elevators, so the stairs are always my go to vertical transit.
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I’m going to be trying some different things out soon.
I may take you up on that offer, if you don’t mind me being somewhat slow at first. Do you still have my email, or are you on facebook? I’ve trained in some running, HIIT and similar over the past year so it wouldn’t be hard to get back into just my endurance and pace are crap since I haven’t done any running for a few months. I didn’t know that about the rec center or Delco, I was considering getting a membership for access to their gym and classes already.
Will be checking out youtube for some inspiration and such soon.
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My Dad’s best friend is on the SWAT team in the area I used to live, he is very pro kettlebell. He tried to get me working out with them a few times but I never had much interest until I sorted through some things recently. I’ll be checking out some garage sales and craigslist to scope things out, see what I can find.
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Maybe? They do have a faster metabolism depending on the dog.
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One is a Brittany, medium sized hunting breed and very high energy if you’ve never heard of them, the other is a Doberman, medium/large working breed and high energy but less manic than the Brittany. Both are in their Prime and I’d like their health to reflect that.
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Also running on a dirt trail is much easier on your knees and a bit more enjoyable
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I enjoy hiking and have wanted to try trail running for a while. My buddy is down, he’s just nearly an hour away so it’s tough to get together to do with him. Hoping we make a regular thing work on Wednesdays.
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Why 4pm? That time is just a general guideline. Carbs are better to have earlier in the day because your body breaks carbs down into sugar, which gives you a burst of energy. Good to have during the day since you’re moving around and have a much better chance of burning it off. But late in the day, if you don’t burn it, it gets stored as fat. And since people relax more late in the day, especially before bed, having carb-heavy food is not what you want late in the day if you’re trying to lose weight/fat.
And if it’s something that is high in protein and low in carbs, you also won’t get as much of a blood sugar spike.
Note that I’m giving you the general simplified version.
GI isn’t that complicated. They start with sugar... giving it a baseline of 100 in terms of how quickly your body turns it into blood sugar. Then that is used as a basis of comparison. The lower the number, the less of a blast of blood sugar.
However, if you want to run a marathon and need that blast of energy/blood sugar, then you want to have something with a high GI.
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The Brittany would be your running partner while the Doberman would be your walker.
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Just remember to go to a more family oriented gym and don’t hesitate to ask a trainer for proper technique. Hurting yourself can set you back even further.
Also all the muscle bound guys, most of them are super willing to help you out. The bigger the guy, the more he’s going to delight in helping out someone new. It’s a big community really, and no one wants anyone getting hurt.
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walking / running
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Buy a bike. Seriously. I mountain bike and road bike a bit, and it is addictive. It becomes less about it being exercise and more about personal goals like doing sections faster. Of course everyone has different things they like. I bike because running is one of my most hated activities. Also low impact cardio just melts away that fat if you really get into it, like 3 times a week or more. You just have to make sure to actually get your heart rate up. Heart monitors are great for keeping yourself in the correct zone, and they are pretty cheap these days.
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Size? Hrmm, I’d have to measure to be sure. Our plate set had large dinner plates, small dinner/salad plates, and saucers. It was the smallest of the bunch...somewhere between 4-6” I’d guess.
Word of warning...the first couple months are pretty awful. Hungry all the time. Eventually though, if you stick to it 100%, it’s like a switch flipping and overnight that all just goes away. Maintenance is easy as well...since I’m used to eating so little (compared to the days of yore) I straight up cannot eat a full restaurant serving anymore...just continue my daily weigh-ins and on the rare occasions I drift back up to 160 I consciously slightly cut back until I drift back down to 150 (it’s not a daily thing either, it’s over the course of 6 months or so).
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My $0.02:
1.) Don’t run for exercise @ 320 lbs. It will be hard on your joints as you are finding out. The constant pounding will do you no favors. Cycling is a good option.
2.) Cut out soda and replace it with seltzer. All soda, including diet.
3.) Check your fiber intake and if it’s low boost it. Oatmeal for breakfast is a good option. If you are not eating a lot of vegetables, increase them too. Drink more water.
4.) For weightlifting you do not need to get too fancy. Don’t worry about a particular “culture or style”. You will get to that a little later. Stick to large muscle group and compound exercises like flat/incline/shoulder press, barbell rows, seated rows, etc. If you have knee and hip issues ignore squatting for now and stick to leg press.
5.) Immediately start taking a good multivitamin. I have used Optimum Nutrition’s Opti-Men for years and it has served me well. More expensive than supermarket vites but much more effective and broader in spectrum. Be aware that vitamins like these will make you piss look like ink from a highlighter. That’s normal.
I’d consider this to be “phase 1”, which you’d run for 3 months or so just to lose some weight and get your body ready for more intense exercise. In my opinion it will do you NO GOOD AT ALL to fire out of the hole into an intense workout regime this early. Just ease into the changes for now , it will help you more long-term. After 90 days you should revisit your plan and ramp it up.
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Start slow, and build exercise into your routine. If you work at a desk, take a short break and get some fresh air once or twice a day.
Muscle burns fat, you are right to include weight training in your plan. You can find some free weight routines here: http://dumbbell-exercises.com/workout-routin…
Start with light dumbbells to learn proper form. The gym will have mirrors by the weight racks for this very purpose.
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I’m going to incorporate this into what I’m currently figuring out all together, exercise/diet/etc. Gonna see a new physician soon since I moved, so adding their opinions will be a part of everything as well. Thanks a ton jariten!
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Biking is definitely at the top of everything, I just have to finish repairing my bike that I just got back. It’s a 20+ year old road bike, no rust and completely solid also used to be my father’s, and my cousin has had it since I moved a few years ago. Plus it’ll be much easier to start out than running, lower impact on joints.
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1) That’s a conclusion I’ve been coming to with all the researching, plus running destroyed my hip/knee when I had a running “class” a couple semesters ago. Either repairing or having my bike repaired is top of the list after new glasses, it needs a good bit and I’m not confident in the transmission.
2) No problem there, no soda in 6 years. I have a couple big Nalgene bottles I take everywhere. Quit drinking almost all the sugar drinks as well. The closest I get to carbonation is a couple beers here and there.
3) I’ve been looking at actually eating breakfast, any oatmeal recommendations as far as brands or recipes? I’ve been eating much more vegetables and trying ones that I used to never touch, grilled asparagus is a new favorite. Grilled anything really. Curbing portions is going to be pretty significant in my journey to shedding weight as well.
4) Currently looking into the weightlifting exercises and such, the cultures and styles as you put it are a bit intimidating. I’ll most likely purchase a free weight set to start out. Any opinions on kettlebells?
5) As a former drugstore employee, the piss question was pretty regular from the uninformed. Made me laugh every time. I will look at your recommended vitamin.
As far as ramping things up, what do you mean? Do you have an email address or facebook that we could use to speak further, you’ve been about the most comprehensive and informative of everyone. Much thanks, I sincerely appreciate you passing along your knowledge.
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nice! I fixed up an ‘81 Fuji road bike last year in a similar state. It can be a fun project if you have the right tools. Do yourself a favor and buy the right tools to tighten all the bearing cups and cones on the bike correctly if you don’t already have them. If you need any help or advice just ask.
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Will do! I’m pretty excited to make it road worthy again. I’m lucky enough to live near a non-profit that’s all about getting people to bike more around the city and suburbs that I call home. They refurb old bikes and teach repair and maintenance to people. So I'll probably be visiting them when I can.
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A few more thoughts:
1.) That’s good news. I know there are plenty of people that were overweight and ran some weight off but I am not personally a fan of that, and neither are any of the trainers I know. When you are a bit lighter knock yourself out, but until then staying healthy and staying able to exercise is paramount in my opinion. For cardio a basic heart rate monitor is a great thing to have as it can let you know how hard you are working and when to push more or less.
2.) Also very good news. Drink calories can get away from you, and soda has a lot of sugar. Sounds like you are on the right track. How many Nalgene bottles do you go through a day? Should be 3-4 at a minimum.
3.) If you haven’t been eating breakfast that’s a big deal! Making that change alone will have a good impact on your progress. I have to eat mine at work so I just buy plain/lower sugar instant packets. Cook and serve/steel cut oats are a better option but not for me because of my schedule. If you have a Keurig you’re golden- 2 packets, set the water on 6-8oz, and pump hot water onto the oats. Stir, and in 5 minutes you are good to go. Hard boiled eggs are another quick option, as are Greek yogurts (but watch the sugar). Grilled chicken is an insanely popular lunch/dinner protein source and should be what you go for when you can. Try to limit beef and pork. Sometimes it helps to grill it all on a Saturday/Sunday and eat throughout the week as grilling every day is a PITA. Spice rubs are good for bland chicken.
Another good tip is air popped popcorn as a snack. Grab a popper from wal-mart and make some. You can spray olive oil cooking spray on it and use a garlic salt grinder for flavor without adding a ton of fat, calories, or carbohydrates. Throw it in a baggie with your lunch, whatever works.
BEWARE things like rice, pasta, and cereals. They are not inherently evil but the serving sizes can get away from you FAST.
Example:
Looks good, right? Omega 3’s, some fiber, some protein. Profile itself doesn’t look too awful. Touted as a healthy option for breakfast or carry it with you as a snack. Found in a typical health-food gluten-free aisle so it’s probably good to go.
Except that it’s 120 calories for a goddamn 1/4 cup! Cereal in particular is known for that. I used to do death-row-last-meal cereal pours until I realized I was having 700 calories out of nowhere.
4.) Kettlebells are great (Dragon Door has a shitload of info for you) but for personal use/home gym use they can get pretty expensive. If you don’t have access to a commercial gym and need to gear up the first thing I’d look at is craigslist for used stuff and try and find a set of adjustable dumbells (the Powerblock set is nice but very expensive new).
5.) Yeah, the Opti-Men vitamins take a little getting used to but they cover (probably) everything you need and might not get in your diet in addition to some men’s health additives.
6.) By “ramping up” I mean to start your program reasonably at first, just to ease yourself into the change. Maybe just for 30 days or so. I know FAR too many people who said “FUCK BEING FAT I’M GOING BALLS DEEP” only to burn out pretty quickly. If you drop too many calories out of your diet you’ll be hungry all the time and might rebound. If you are too sore or tired from your workouts you’ll be more likely to skip the gym or slide into half-assed efforts. The cliche is that it’s not a diet/exercise plan it’s a lifestyle change , and from my experience that’s pretty much the case, although maintaining a healthy weight can be/is easier than trying to shed pounds. Once you establish some routines you can change things up and go harder if you need to.
7.) SLEEP. I didn’t ask, but you should also try and get 7-8 hours of sleep a night at a minimum.
Regarding contacting...I kind of have a no-doxxing policy for Gawker so I don’t want to give out my email or FB. Nothing personal, I swear!
That said, I’ll be more than happy to answer any questions you have at any time! Just post up in this thread and star something for a notify and I’ll come in and check it out.
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1) I’d like to not have my hip replaced at 3o or 40, so there is quite a bit of motivation to bike and especially get drop the weight. Looking at heartrate monitors, trying to find ones that are accurate and not costly isn’t easy.
2) Somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-4 bottles, I generally use it when going out and just refill a glass all the time at home. Lots of water, and coffee in the morning. I have recently discovered how lovely french press is.
3) I bought some low sugar instant stuff earlier, actually looked at the label seriously. Holy crap the sugar and salt in some. Ended up with a vegan friendly variety that looks good. The boiled eggs are something that I have considered as well. As I’ve gotten older I have lost my taste for cereals, especially the sugary ones, other than Cheerios (I prefer the protein ones and plan to try the Ancient grains ones). A big thing that’s I’m beginning to pay attention to after today is the ingredient and nutrition labels, didn’t realize how many calories or how much sugar I was taking in from “healthy” things.
4) Craigslist is my next stop after finishing this reply, going to check out what is out there in my area. I have free access to the fully stocked gym at my university but it is pretty packed normally and 20 minutes away from home and the commercial gyms are a bit too sketchy other than Planet Fitness which I’m debating a membership with in a few months.
5) Gotcha, compared it to a few I know of already and it is looking like the winner.
6) I’ve tried the all-in approach and agree that you burn out extremely quickly. The lifestyle cliche is accurate, you gotta change how you do things/eat/spend free time to see the changes that are the goal. I definitely want to get to my goals and just live much healthier.
7) I spent the 30-40 days leading up to the beginning of the semester fixing my sleep routine schedule due to headaches and long shifts at my old job. There is the odd night where I stay up late (midnight-2am) for school or a night out, otherwise I’m getting 7-8 hours on average. Bed around 10-11 and up usually around 7.
No problem, I totally understand your policy. Especially with the reputation of some of the people on Gawker and Kinja. I will definitely be sure to come back to you with any questions or clarifications I have or need. I will do as you say to get in contact, thanks again!
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You are off to a good start and sounds like your head is in a good place. I look forward to hearing about your progress!
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Walk/bike to work.
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I know this is old but I just saw it.
1. that cougar makes me sad inside.
2. Try Judo great exercise, it’s goal oriented, and it’s fun.
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Not that old!
That Cougar made me sad as well when I discovered it.
I’ll check it out.
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For the record you don’t have to be crazy nimble or flexible to do judo, and there’s no punches or kicks, it’s like martial arts wrestling. I’m a 3rd Degree Brown Belt and was a Teaching Assistant helping teach Judo 1 and Judo 2 at Michigan State. It’s a blast.
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It sounds good! For someone who has never wrestled in anyway, can you explain it a little beyond martial arts wrestling?
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Sure. And I’ll tell you having never wrestled is actually a positive, it’s a polar opposite mindset so it makes it harder to transition.
There’s 2 components. The first part is standing and trying to throw someone to the ground. You can do it with a hip throw, a leg sweep, body drop, many different ways. The second part is ground fighting. This is where your chokes, arm bars and pins come in to play.
If you throw someone to the ground and they land flat on your back the match is over. It doesn’t matter if it was 1 second or 4 minutes. If they land side ways you continue fighting on the ground, that’s where the ground fighting kicks in.
If it still sounds interesting I can review the point system later!