"Denver Is Stuck In The 90s" (denver80222)
09/30/2014 at 00:57 • Filed to: Personal | 3 | 100 |
Gets Personal after the Jump, Here's some gratuitous Car Porn in exchange for your ear.
(Thats a Sabra Sports, made by the only car company to ever come out of Haifa, Israel)
So, I hung out with some friends tonight. And one of my friend's boyfriend was there (he was very high (He is why I hate marijauna)). Now, he's the type of Asshole that drives around In a plastidipped EG hatch with his steering wheel hanging out the window, slammed within an inch of its life and a Fartcan Exhaust that should be violating some sort of law. He apparently like to egg people on into fights. I learned this tonight. Now, I'm the most level headed guy around, it takes ALOT to piss me off, Like waaay more than it should. But he seems to have found a way to do just that.
Tonight he tried to tell me that Jews in WWII Germany VOLUNTARILY boarded the trains to the death camps. Now, he is by no means jewish, nor does he know anybody who is jewish other than me. He also tried to compare the tattoos that Holocaust survivors were branded with to keep track of them as if they were cattle with cell phone tracking. [Insert Jackie Chan "What" Meme Here].
He tried to rationalize the Heinous acts of the Nazis, and say that Jews WANTED to be killed. Then he threatened to physically assault me, He rationalized it by saying "you're in my house, I can do whatever I want to you here", Well it really isnt his house, he rents it from his girlfriend's dad along with my ex-girlfriend and 2 other people. I doubt his name is even on the rental agreement. Anyway, during all this HIS DOG sees that I am in distress and tries to comfort me, the dog belonging to the guy verbally attacking me with his anti semitic rhetoric is on my side, me, a house guest. Then, He backtracks and says he was just kidding. IN WHAT UNIVERSE IS IT EVEN REMOTELY OKAY TO JOKE ABOUT GENOCIDE!?!?!
I told Him that I know a few holocaust Survivors personally (which I do, some are family members) that would prove what he is saying to be false. His Response: "they all have parkinsons and are brain damaged, you cant believe what they say" and then he went on to produce his worst impression of someone with parkinsons disease. As if to say that a chronic debilitating illness is just sooo hilarious (sarcasm). Which is offensive in and of itself regardless of the context.
WHAT!?!?!!?
I will NEVER back down under any circumstances on Issues of Mass Human Depravity. He goes on even after I left talking to my friend, his girlfriend trying to rationalize it. All I want is a GENUINE APOLOGY with no rationalizations, Is that too much too ask. Below is screenshots of the text conversation I had once I got home. I May have been a little harsh, But When I get Pissed, I GET PIIIISSSSEEDDD. I dont offend Easily, but I am not immune to offense, It just takes alot to piss me off. (The Green Is Me BTW)
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:02 | 0 |
It's Yom Kippur tomorrow?
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/30/2014 at 01:02 | 0 |
Indeed it is
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:03 | 1 |
...what.
Kanaric
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:04 | 3 |
Hate against Jews is still at ridiculous levels with trashy white people and some minorities. I found out that my grandfather was jewish because it was a "family secret" because this shit still exists. I told some people and this one Born Again Christian acquaintance of mine tried to claim I was satanic. Keep in mind I am atheist, which he knew, and he never said anything like that before.
It's ridiculous how many black people I know that HATE Jews. Many of them try to claim that the Jews are not real Jews even, lol.
A lot of poor white people are like this as well. A trailer park near where I grew up was filled with neonazis and sympathizers.
I don't get it.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/30/2014 at 01:05 | 0 |
Then why are there services tomorrow, and why is SpecialBuick62 Fasting right now?
I cant fast because of my meds, So I have trouble keeping track
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Kanaric
09/30/2014 at 01:06 | 4 |
Pisses me off, there is no excuse for hate
sm70- why not Duesenberg?
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:07 | 3 |
I have no idea, but our services are Friday night & Saturday morning. Which, I'm fairly certain, is when Yom Kippur is.
As to the rest of your story, I know that feel. Assholes will be assholes.
EL_ULY
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:09 | 14 |
work on cars and talk to girls
Top tip :]
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> sm70- why not Duesenberg?
09/30/2014 at 01:11 | 1 |
I just checked my jewish calendar, you were right. Now, SpecialBuick62 Is gonna be Suuuuper cranky the next couple days.
Dsscats
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:14 | 3 |
I appriciate this
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Dsscats
09/30/2014 at 01:14 | 1 |
Ya, I really didnt think that needed to be here
ly2v8-Brian
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:15 | 2 |
I would suggest not getting too riled up about it. It's just one dumbass stoner on a THC fueled rambling. If he spouts off again though, punch him in the face.
Also what are the (uh, characters? squiggles?) next to your name saying? I assume it has to do with your holiday.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> ly2v8-Brian
09/30/2014 at 01:19 | 1 |
The thing is I dont really get riled up about anything, I didnt even get mad when my girlfriend broke up with me. That was 2 weeks ago and I hung out with her today and there were no hard feelings and no issues. You really dont understand how much it actually takes to piss me off, It really takes a crap ton no, a METRIC crap ton, but there are some things that are just too much. Oh, After Denver, My username says The Jewish Oppo, I had to improvise the spelling on Oppo there really isnt such a word in hebrew.
Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:19 | 1 |
I only have a couple Jewish friends, and I personally think that saying that to anyone is complete assholery (is that a word? Eh, I don't really care if it isn't). But saying it to any Jewish person is completely idiotic stupidhead assholery. I have never been to Europe, and so never to a concentration camp, but even just seeing pictures of one is completely horrifying at what evils some people are capable of. Anyone who says or thinks that the concentration camps were anything but terrified and forced upon the Jews needs a huge whack to the head and to see a documentary on it.
/end rant
PS, I HATE YOU ISIS, let's come to a peace agreement, leave Israel to itself, and have peace in the middle-east what's the likelyhood of that), I am very much pro-Israel, and nothing will change that.
Dsscats
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:20 | 1 |
, 4 .
I go to a Jewish school and we have 4 armed guards at all times out of fear of an attack.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Dsscats
09/30/2014 at 01:27 | 0 |
My hebrew is not very good, but I am very proud of myself because I understood every word of that. Ive been Going on the Israeli side of Chatrandom, If you can tolerate the chronic masterbators , you can really improve your conversational hebrew! The jewish school that I went to from 2nd-4th grade and that my brother graduated from (he was one of few that was there from k-12 (actually, he was the first class that that was possible, the local Jewish high school only merged with the elementary and middle school in 05) has only one guard, but he is an Ex-Mossad K-9 Officer with a trained attack dog. His name is Shanti, I dont know what the dog's name is.
PS9
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:27 | 25 |
Tonight he tried to tell me that Jews in WWII Germany VOLUNTARILY boarded the trains to the death camps.
...aaaaaaaaaand here's the part where you should have paused, said 'No.', and exited the conversation, never to see this person again. Further conversation with your friend about the boyfriend begins and ends with, "I'm sorry, but [boyfriend] is a complete douchenozzle and I have no intention of dealing with him on any terms any longer."
but he always pushes people when they get mad about the shitty things he says. He does it to me. He does it to everyone.
Is to be answered with, "And that is a complete douchenozzle thing to do. He is not justified in doing that by virtue of the fact that he does it. That's dumb. Your (and everyone else's) ability to tolerate it is not my ability (or desire) to tolerate it. I do not need to 'get with the program' and 'be a good sport' here. He is a douchenozzle and I am not required to interact with him. So I won't."
ly2v8-Brian
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:28 | 3 |
My tolerance of when people talk of that stuff in such a manner is extremely low. I would've punched him.
Also no word for Oppo in Hebrew? tsk tsk, you guys better get on that and fix that.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> ly2v8-Brian
09/30/2014 at 01:31 | 2 |
He thinks he's so tough, but hes a heavy drinker, toker and smoker. He's also smaller than me by a little, I could've taken him. But if the fight became physical, I probably wouldve just restrained him in a choke hold, and then pinned him to the ground until the cops came. I wouldve told them He swung at me, and I did what was necessary to ensure my safety without hurting anybody.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> PS9
09/30/2014 at 01:33 | 3 |
I like you, you have good ideas
Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:41 | 0 |
People continue to suck. When I was in 8th grade, my best friend came up to me and said he cant be my friend anymore. Why? Because his dad told him he couldn't be friends with a [person of unpopular faith].
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo
09/30/2014 at 01:42 | 1 |
CONCUSSION FACEPALM!!!
nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:43 | 3 |
anyone who develops a god complex once inebriated/intoxicated/etc and thinks they can spout off that kind of BS needs this:
I'm all for avoiding violence but shit, too many lines were crossed. Im not a religious person by any stretch but I'll make damn well sure anyone that chooses to practice peacefully is able to do so and especially without fuckwhits encroaching on anyone else from being able to do so.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul
09/30/2014 at 01:45 | 0 |
This stopped being about religion 30 seconds in, now its just about human decency
ZiptieMcBumper
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:53 | 5 |
Here's my take...
There will always be idiots like this in the world.
His silence (cowardice) on the issue
PLUS
the sheer amount of text it took for his girlfriend to defend his actions demonstrates that he and everyone who (for some reason or another) chooses to associate themselves with him knows what he did was indefensible.
You are right in demanding an apology, but don't hold your breath. You'll still be who you are with or without it.
IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 01:57 | 5 |
I would break off all contact with him and your "friend' who is dating him until they break up. Life is simply too short to deal with assholes like these. Actually, scratch that cut ties with your "friend" as well, she is no friend of yours.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> ZiptieMcBumper
09/30/2014 at 01:58 | 3 |
Something I completely Forgot to post in my Rage:
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Kinja Buffer, Gonna FP this Comment
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I told Him that I know a few holocaust Survivors that would prove what he is saying to be false. His Response: "they all have parkinsons and are brain damaged, you cant believe what they say" and then he went on to produce his worst impression of someone with parkinsons disease. As if to say that a chronic debilitating illness is just sooo hilarious (sarcasm). Which is offensive in and of itself regardless of the context.
WHAT!?!?!!?
FJ60GatewayDrug
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:02 | 5 |
Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and beat you with their experience.
IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:02 | 4 |
Don't waste another second of your life thinking about this asshat. Cut all ties and live better knowing that a toxic portion of your life no longer matters.
ZiptieMcBumper
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:06 | 2 |
My current favorite GIF seems appropriate here:
Manuél Ferrari
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:24 | 2 |
I was writing something long and iOS crapped out on me. Damn it. Summary: just be glad they are both dispensable. You don't need them. What's a lot worse is when someone you can't easily and quickly get away from (like a boss or current teacher) is an asshat.
Conan
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:28 | 3 |
Dude was clearly trying to troll you because he's an ass. I'm sure he knew you were Jewish but it wouldn't have mattered if you weren't. Not worth further engagement with. TMBG have an excellent song on this subject.
Conan
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:30 | 4 |
I tend to go with a "I'm sure the whole "edgy racism" thing has worked for you but I'm not into that." in these situations.
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:30 | 4 |
Damn. And here I thought I had it bad because i had to silently stew in my hatred for mouthbreathers whenever they talked about how anyone with mexican blood is no smarter than someone with mental retardation. I can't imagine having to try and politely sit through the most epic of mouthbreathers telling me straight up lies about how my family members were killed. Good on you for not just attacking him. I would;ve removed some teeth myself.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
09/30/2014 at 02:34 | 0 |
Trust me, it almost got there. My friend, his girlfriend has never seen me pissed off. Like I said, it takes a lot. I dont think Ive been that pissed in 3 years. She and I have been friends since High school. Im pretty sure I freaked her out a bit, there was a point where I was shaking due to me holding back my physical anger.
themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:36 | 0 |
I would've at least taken the piss out of her sails via verbal assault at some point or another. I love all those "stormfront" white supremacy websites because they all have such creative butcherings of the english language.
iamstucklockedout
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:37 | 0 |
meh, not GTish enough.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
09/30/2014 at 02:40 | 0 |
Oh, I yelled at him, quite loudly.
Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 02:55 | 1 |
it's barely religion, it's just good ol' fashioned racism
Jordaneer, The Mountaineer Man
> Dsscats
09/30/2014 at 03:07 | 3 |
I hate that crap like this has to exist. no place, especially in the United States. Every racist needs some major mental help, NO one should have to be in fear of an attack on them just because of their religion, sex, race, creed, etc.
TECrueger
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 04:05 | 2 |
I truly hope that you never have to deal with these people again.
Jinxe
> Conan
09/30/2014 at 04:18 | 2 |
Totally the song I was thinking of while reading this.
ATHINGWITHFEATHERS
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 04:45 | 7 |
Your friend's defending the asshat is every bit as awful as the asshat himself. No this just NO. It's become alright to be racist and antisemitic. I have heard horrible libels about Jews uttered by people who are astonished that I find their comments ugly and vicious. There's no point in arguing with these people and I would not ask for an apology. You won't get one that's sincere or that will erase the vile. I have to work hard sometimes not to voice my increasing disgust for the inane,, ill-informed, mean spirited shit that comes out of the mouths of too many "Christians". The Nazis, the Khmer Rouge, The Klan, these are all possible because so many small mean people will do in gangs things they wouldn't dare do alone. Do not give them the pleasure of knowing how upset you are. Mark them as dangerous in groups and find others who value life and compassion, people with honor. I am a Jew and unlike these losers I believe we are charged with the task of healing the world and completing creation. You sound like a good person who deserves better friends.
*If this becomes a thing with this guy you might want to give a heads up to others. His parents must be SO proud.(sarcasm)
HermionePond
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 05:06 | 8 |
Two points:
His defense that "didn't know you were Jewish" is bullshit. He shouldn't have said those things around anyone. It wouldn't suddenly be appropriate if you weren't Jewish.
People who think it's hilarious to make other people mad are usually jerks. So that defense is not actually a defense.
I think he owes you an apology, but based on the doubling down in the texts you posted, you probably won't get one. If I were you, I would cut him out of my life.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> ATHINGWITHFEATHERS
09/30/2014 at 05:52 | 3 |
I gotta say, Im glad I had this shared to group think. Ive gotten more helpful comments then I ever would On Oppo. This one especially. BTW L'Shanah Tovah
kemperboyd
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 06:13 | 12 |
How good a friend is she? because honestly, if she were my friend I'd drop her. I would take none of that bullshit. Is he saying that because Jews walked onto trains it's their fault? What about the men in uniforms holding guns surrounding them when they were asked if they wanted to go? Fuck him, seriously. I am lucky, no one in my family was involved in the Holocaust because my family are orignially from Lithuania and had escaped the pogroms at the turn of the 20th century, in fact the Nazi's killed barely any Jews from Lithuania because the Lithuanians had already got rid of all of them; but any of my grandparents cousins who were there pre-1938 were dead by 1945.
So my reaction is that he should get to fuck.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> kemperboyd
09/30/2014 at 06:32 | 0 |
Most of my family escaped to Colorado during the pogroms as well. But some stayed, they have the scars to prove it, both physical and psychological
Jane *is* the... blue passport
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 06:41 | 12 |
Ah yes, the old "It was a joke / You're too feeble-minded to get it, man" defense. Drink/drugs are no excuse for this. A stupid drunk/stoned comment is calling someone's mum ugly; not prolonged racist attacks.
I think I find her attempted justification more insulting than his outright trolling.
Honestly I would ditch both of them - tell her exactly why. If she says they troll her too, then maybe she needs to get herself a better calibre of (boy)friend. It's not your obligation to "fix" them, you'd be wasting your time, energy, and emotional strength.
I admire your restraint. I am a wimp and hate violence, but if you came here confessing to setting his face on fire I don't think I could object too much.
ATHINGWITHFEATHERS
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 06:43 | 3 |
L'Shanah Tovah to you as well.
I couldn't resist. I know I'm a bad girl.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> ATHINGWITHFEATHERS
09/30/2014 at 06:51 | 1 |
The last line of the palin one when translated from hebrew is even more hilarious
St. Borg de Chupacabras ¯\_()_/¯ ( )
> Jane *is* the... blue passport
09/30/2014 at 06:57 | 1 |
Seconding this.
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Jane *is* the... blue passport
09/30/2014 at 06:58 | 5 |
I dont think I'd set his face on fire, but Wouldnt that be nice. No, I dont wish harm to anyone. I plan later on giving her an ultimatum. She has been pondering dumping him and I know Im her only true friend, shes said those exact words to me recently. I plan on telling her. "I dont like you when you are around him, I cant stand him, I will not associate myself with antisemitic bigots who dont care about how their words affect people. Its either him or me, Break up with him, Or Im gonna stop answering your calls." Im a natural introvert, I can survive without her. She's a natural extrovert, She cant. I have a feeling its gonna be a hard choice, but in the end, I think she'll choose me.
Notorious GIGI
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:15 | 4 |
This has happened to me before too, more than once. Evidently I don't "look Jewish", which means it's totally ok to be a raving anti-Semite as long as you don't know you're talking to a Jewish person. On the upside, at least I know who the anti-Semites (formerly) in my life are.
It's infuriating. This person is advocating for your murder, in so many words. I don't know whom you were texting with, but I wouldn't want to stay friends with that person either. There is no justification for anti-Semitism and support for genocide. If he'd said these things about any group except Jews I doubt your friend would be defending him. But because Jews have by and large assimilated and become successful in this country, many non-Jews have conveniently convinced themselves that anti-Semitism no longer exists.
nasty aloe-vera
> HermionePond
09/30/2014 at 07:28 | 6 |
And that says a lot. If his defense is that he didn't know you were Jewish, is he saying that he wouldn't have said it in front of you if her knew? Because if it's not appropriate to say in front of a Jew, then it's not appropriate to say at all and he knows that shit's racist/anti-Semitic.
macanamera
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:28 | 3 |
Dude, just don't take everything so seriously. Who cares what some dipshit said? Honestly, it's good that this happened, because you need this life practice...take it from somebody a few years older than you, you need to develop the ability to shake minor stuff like this off. On the scale of things you should actually get upset about in life, this is a solid 1/10. Save your anger for when it matters.
Deal with it like the baby does:
MadPiglet
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:29 | 27 |
I'm going to be harsh but: YOU NEED NEW FRIENDS.
That guy, okay. He's not your friend, but he's the boyfriend of someone you consider a friend? NOPE. Dump her. She spent an entire text conversation deflecting your feelings and trying to defend the words of what appears to be the biggest asshole in Denver. DTMFA.
If you can run either of them over with your car and make it look like an accident, I'd do that, too.
Ideally, you'd be able to sit down with both of them and talk it out and they'd have an "a ha!" moment and everyone would learn a little something about Life. Since this is not an episode of The Brady Bunch, that isn't going to happen here. That guy is never going to change his mind and will likely just double-down on his racist hateful bullshit. He seems like the type who will go out of his way to press your buttons now that he knows what they are.
Stay away, friend. Just... ghost out of that relationship. Stop answering her texts, don't answer calls or email, and if you're out in a group and she's there with that choad of a boyfriend, be polite and incredibly cold. Those people ARE NOT YOUR PEOPLE.
Vaginafication Nation
> PS9
09/30/2014 at 07:31 | 3 |
Douchenozzle can easily be replaced with *abuser*.
Vaginafication Nation
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:36 | 0 |
You call that a concussion?
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 07:37 | 15 |
Oh my god this Is the worst comment in history. This is incredibly major. You cannot possibly suggest that I if ignore the comments of a guy that essentially said that all Jews deserve to be sent to the gas chambers and they want to be killed. Dude, just no
Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
> Vaginafication Nation
09/30/2014 at 07:38 | 0 |
lol
thebigbossyboss
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:40 | 2 |
Denver, sorry that happened to you buddy.
"You can't fix stupid".
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:42 | 1 |
And then comes the old canard about "But you miss[sic] read[understood] the situation". I shall rewrite this for clarity's sake, since you picked up on the intent, but to have it there for everyone else.
"You aren't able to understand what he said, therefore it's your fault."
What's to misread beyond he's a fucking asshole at best, an antisemitic neonazi at worst, and the girl you are texting is no better than the asshole because she feels she has to defend him?
There is such a thing as defending the indefensible, and her texts are classic case in point.
Perhaps she should be the next White House Press Secretary.
Sincerely,
A goy who has been declared an honorary Jew by his Jewish friends and colleagues (G-d help us, we are out here)
Vaginafication Nation
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:50 | 0 |
*Your holiday*. WTF.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 07:53 | 9 |
"On the scale of things you should actually get upset about in life, this is a solid 1/10."
If by "this" you mean your comment, I'd partially agree.
Otherwise I think a visit to Auschwitz is in order for you. So you can see the extent of the horrors inflicted there and so you can subsequently apply for readmission to the human race.
crowmolly
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 07:58 | 0 |
Did this dumb fuck really try to compare cell phone numbers to death camp inmate numbers?
I had a well thought out response typed out and deleted it when I reread your texts.
JustPassingThrough
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:05 | 6 |
This guy is a douche, but your friend isn't any better. As a black woman, I could never be friends with someone who is racist (or otherwise a bigot). I'm not telling you what to do, I'm just saying maybe it's time to re-evaluate your friendships. This woman seems awful.
To give an example of how a person should react to bigotry, my friend who is black (let's call her Karen) was hanging out at her friend's house. The friend had over her old buddy from high school who proceeded to tell Karen that he hated the mayor of their town because she's a dumb nigger. Before Karen could even get into his face about what he said, Karen's friend yelled at him to get the f out of her house. Yes, she threw her childhood friend out and apologized profusely for his comments. This would be the appropriate response to someone being bigoted toward your friends. Not a series of text messages defending the bigot and telling you to stop being emotional.
I mean, it's up to you. I'm just saying. Maybe it's time for new friends.
OnMyMindGrapes
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:06 | 7 |
The dismiss button is your friend. Do not engage with this person. Anyone who feels justified in telling others what they are and are not allowed to have emotional reactions about is not worth your time.
macanamera
> OnMyMindGrapes
09/30/2014 at 08:12 | 0 |
Relax buddy, we're friends.
macanamera
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:19 | 1 |
Try to understand what I'm getting at. This guy doesn't matter to you one bit. He is a non-issue, you should give zero fucks about him.
You are in high school? Or early college, right? I can't remember exactly, but mark my words: you will hear people say much worse shit than this. You said that he didn't know you were Jewish. Some idiots would say this shit to you specifically because you are Jewish. Some people would say worse stuff yet.
I don't want to act like the old wise man, but in life you will be faced with a nearly unlimited number of idiots running their mouths. You can, and should ignore them.
I stand by what I say. In the grand scheme of things, this is not major. Heck, it doesn't even matter. The only thing that matters is that you know where you stand, and that you don't let one dumbass running his mouth get you so heated. Get what I'm saying?
macanamera
> KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
09/30/2014 at 08:22 | 0 |
Don't be stupid. Clearly you know that I meant he should pay no heed to one dumbass running his mouth. What does he care about some random dude showing how ignorant he is?
cspm1986
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:30 | 1 |
That guys a prick. Seems like he's trying to be an internet tough guy IRL. just cut him out of your life, no one needs toxic douchecanoes like that polluting their existence. And if none of the other people saw what he was doing as a massive fucked up moron crashing and burning, well you don't need them in your life either.
Kittys
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:32 | 1 |
Don't listen to the assholes telling you how you should be feeling (i.e. the "get over it" crowd). I cannot believe the gf stood up for this piece of shit masquerading as a human being. If my bf said anything even 1/10th as bad as this I would leave him immediately. Seriously, drop these people out of your life. There are zero excuses for this behaviour - weed, alcohol, I don't care. When I drink I don't start spewing this shit.
macanamera
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:40 | 1 |
Let me add something:
I'm clearly not saying that the subject matter isn't upsetting. Obviously it is. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't let it get to you . A thick skin will serve you well in life.
PatBateman
> themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles
09/30/2014 at 08:41 | 2 |
"Mexican blood"?! WHO SAYS THAT?!?!
Shiny Chrome Witnessedbot
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:48 | 8 |
Hey, Denver, another GTer who wandered over, here. Yeah, this dude is seriously out of order and needs to be educated. Sadly, you probably won't be able to do the educating (because people have to WANT to be educated in order to BE educated), and giving him a good pounding will just make him feel vindicated. Avoid avoid avoid. Do not engage. If he's going to be there, don't go. That's not backing down or showing weakness. It's being the more mature individual who refuses to be brought down to his level. In his little game of goading people, if he gets you angry enough for violence he has won.
I can actually believe your friend's assertion that this guy purposefully goads people into anger and spouts increasingly offensive material on purpose to get them riled up. And, no, he probably doesn't really believe all of it. But that absolutely doesn't make it OK. In fact, in many ways that actually makes it worse. And the kind of person who will purposefully spew racist BS in an effort to get someone upset is not the kind of person who any human needs to be wasting time on.
I'm really concerned by your friend's defense of him, frankly. She sounds a bit like me while I was still in the midst of my emotionally/sexually abusive marriage. I was constantly defending his abuses of me and my family and friends (and I had NO friends by the end) in just the way she is defending him here. He didn't really mean that, he's so misunderstood, I'm the only one who understands him, he does that kind of thing to me all the time, it's no big deal , etc. I worry that she is being slowly bullied into compliance and she doesn't even realize it. The report of one evening is hardly enough to make that kind of diagnosis, but the signs are too familiar. Just.... keep an eye on her, ok? You probably won't be able to do or say anything to get her to see what this guy really is, but try not to think too harshly of her for her support of him.
Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 08:57 | 12 |
It's actually pretty fucked up to say that you shouldn't let one of the worst crimes in human history get to you.
Anyone who has a thick skin when it comes to the Holocaust has serious problems.
PatBateman
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 08:57 | 1 |
Instead of critiquing your response, I'll go ahead and tell you what mine would have been:
"So, friend's BF... Here's how this is going to work. I understand that I'm in 'your house', but if you say one more word about the holocaust or Jews, I'm going to get up, go find something about three or four feet long, and I'm going to hit you in the face with it. I'm going to swing it like I'm Babe fucking Ruth trying to hit a home run, and your face will be the ball. The object I hit you with might be a lamp, a pipe... Hell, maybe I get lucky and actually find a baseball bat to use!! Do you have a baseball bat in here? Sorry... Anyways, you've been warned. So, what would you like to talk about?"
It takes me a lot to get truly pissed off, but some people only learn through broken noses. And yes, I have used this speech before, and yes, the subject was changed. I can also be very physically menacing when I want to be.
macanamera
> Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
09/30/2014 at 08:59 | 0 |
I disagree with you. The point of a thick skin is to protect you from emotional turmoil in exactly these situations. Nobody needs a thick skin to deal with an easy situation. Stuff like this is where it counts.
Mattbob
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:05 | 0 |
shouldn't have even gotten that far. Just tell him and anyone who sides with him to get fucked, and just walk away. Your time is worth more than trying to change stupid.
Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 09:14 | 9 |
If there is any event in human history that people should strive to feel the emotional turmoil of, it's genocide. The Holocaust was a crime on such an enormous scale that it is difficult to come to terms with. The problem in situations like this is that people like the asshole boyfriend above are the ones who have a thick skin. Only a person who wasn't feeling emotional turmoil could say something as despicable as the things that he said.
I would argue that you don't actually have the right to forget what human beings can do and have done, and are doing, to each other. To forget is an insult to the dead, and no one should be making light of it in any context.
Alex B
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:15 | 0 |
I think you handled it rather well...
macanamera
> Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
09/30/2014 at 09:24 | 1 |
1. Everything you said about the Holocaust is valid.
2. You are confusing stupidity with having a thick skin. That kid almost certainly doesn't understand the gravity of his words, nor was he the subject of any provocation. So no, that wasn't him being thick-skinned, just thick.
3. I completely disagree with you. Who are you, the thought police? All people on this earth have the right to think, forget, ignore, hate, or admire ANYTHING they want. Your thoughts are the one and only things that are truly and infinitely yours, and as such you can think or forget anything you want. If you disagree, we don't have much to talk about.
ThinWhiteDutchess
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:28 | 1 |
he's a total dick, but birds of a feather (referring to gf)... That being said- I would dump the "friend" until she provides a transcript of world war history (aced) and a tearful apology. No need to suffer fools.
Bad Idea Hat
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:31 | 1 |
Then, He backtracks and says he was just kidding
Eff him. In my world, he gets a punch just for this line. It's the classic "I'm going to insult you and act like a tool and this is my get-out-of-jail-free card."
Physical violence is the only thing that teaches these people.
alter_ego
> PS9
09/30/2014 at 09:31 | 9 |
Yeah, I don't understand how "he saw you getting mad and thought it was funny" is a justification. You know who thinks making people mad is funny? Total and complete shitheads.
Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 09:40 | 5 |
Technically speaking, you can't actually forget anything you want. Try forcing yourself to forget something, it's a lot harder than it sounds.
3. You have the right to think whatever you like, but you don't have the right to forget in the sense that you don't have the right to minimize the horror of the Holocaust and still expect other people to think of you as a good person. Additionally, you have a responsibility to remember in the sense that it is the responsibility of each and every person to work toward preventing genocide. You're free to ignore that responsibility, but again, you do so at the risk of your own integrity and decency.
yamahog
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:44 | 4 |
Cut these pieces of human excrement out of your life. Don't bother giving them an explanation, don't answer if they call or text, unfriend them on facebook etc. You're done with them and they know why. If you have mutual friends who ask you why, tell them, but explain you will have nothing to do with anti-Semitic assholes any longer. By removing the backward, intolerant, bigots from your life, they learn the consequences of being backward, intolerant, bigots.
GertrudeRises
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 09:53 | 1 |
Obviously this guy is an ASSHOLE and disgusting human being. He doesn't care about your feelings and you should avoid speaking to him again. The bigger problem in my eyes is that your friend who you were texting seems like a bigger asshole. It's one thing to be antisemitic to a stranger— that's offensive and terrible. It's another thing to DEFEND antisemitism to your friend— that means you are a bad friend who doesn't care for the other person's feelings. Strangers are assholes all the time, you friends shouldn't be— or else they aren't your friends. I say DbothofTMFs.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 10:06 | 7 |
Don't be stupid.
Take your own damn advice. I'm not the one saying that having to listen to someone justifying the massacre of a group that I belong to is small potatoes.
I'm clearly not saying that the subject matter isn't upsetting. Obviously it is. What I'm saying is that you shouldn't let it get to you[Denver]
It should actually get to every decent human being alive. There are absolutely no words in the English Language which can be used as an excuse for justifying what happened in Europe during the 1940s.
Kids teasing each other because they have freckles or some shit is one thing. Saying Hitler was justified in his desire to exterminate the Jews is quite another.
macanamera
> Yog-Sothoth is the Gate
09/30/2014 at 10:09 | 0 |
Now I agree with you. And since it is pretty clear that this "friend's boyfriend" fellow is largely lacking in both integrity and decency, it seems we are saying the same thing. Furthermore, I have a strong feeling he might not even know what he is talking about, but that's his problem. Sucks to suck.
macanamera
> KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
09/30/2014 at 10:13 | 0 |
And he should let some jackass ruin his day? Because said jackass is a) an idiot b) literally has no idea wtf he is saying c)just trying to provoke him or d) all of the above?
It should actually get to every decent human being alive. There are absolutely no words in the English Language which can be used as an excuse for justifying what happened in Europe during the 1940s.
Who here is trying to justify the holocaust? Come on, dude. And no, he shouldn't let it get to him. Sure, if there was an intelligent and productive conversation going on about the Holocaust, then yes, everyone should feel it. But when a jackass is trying to get a rise out of you? By letting it get to you, the jackass wins.
Thirdtimesthecharmander
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 10:17 | 1 |
Thats horrendous shit to be saying, just not cool. The worst is when people try to bush it off as joke or as your misunderstanding. You dont have to qualify that your not easily offended, this is a legit thing to be pissed off, I agree that people like this shouldnt get you down but you are totally entitled to your anger over this. Even if he was not trying to be offensive most people would feel bad that they had offended you even accidentally.
Ive known some master wind up artists in my time but they wouldnt dream of doing this shit and if they found out later they had genuinely offended someone, theyd own the hell up and accept responsibility. Pushing someones buttons by saying offensive shit about the holocaust is not a joke nor is it a some sot of clever wind up, getting me all hot and bothered cos they say star wars is shit , or getting me to wasting an hour defending my football team to a person who doesnt even follow soccer. that shit is infuriating but its a funny wind up. What he did was just disgusting.
It would be easy for me to be all drop your friend for even trying to justify their bf's behaviour but they have a massive emotional stake in believing the best of the other person that they wouldnt have with any other person ,only you know the people involved and if their friendship warrants dealing with this shit. You are entitled to want some apology or acknowledgement of the offensiveness of his comments and if you decided to be done with them over this I dont think anyone would blame you, lifes too short for assholes.
Xyl0c41n3
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 11:03 | 7 |
Regarding your third point: all people also have the right to feel extremely upset by racism. They have the right to feel upset by it when they experience it directly. What you're trying do is police Denver's feelings, and that's bullshit.
KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 11:10 | 0 |
Because said jackass is a) an idiot b) literally has no idea wtf he is saying c)just trying to provoke him or d) all of the above?
You are quite good at self description.
Have a nice day.
Xyl0c41n3
> PatBateman
09/30/2014 at 11:11 | 3 |
The same kind of people who think undocumented Latino immigrants coming into the US are simultaneously carrying Ebola, are jihadists, are lazy, and deserve to be "gassed" like Jewish people were in the holocaust. And yep, those are all real things I have seen said.
macanamera
> KusabiSensei - Captain of the Toronto Maple Leafs
09/30/2014 at 11:12 | 0 |
You realize I was talking about his friends boyfriend, not you? Why are you so fucking hostile? The fuck is your problem?
macanamera
> Xyl0c41n3
09/30/2014 at 11:13 | 0 |
?!? I'm done here. If you want to go back and thoroughly read, you will see that's the last thing I'm doing. Bye.
Xyl0c41n3
> MadPiglet
09/30/2014 at 11:14 | 1 |
And this is why I love you, piglet.
Xyl0c41n3
> macanamera
09/30/2014 at 11:29 | 5 |
I have "thoroughly read" all the comments on this post. You have not adequately defended your position. You have, in essence, tone policed Denver's reaction and qualified that policing by saying that you agree what was said by asshole bf and the girl is wrong. But tone policing is still wrong, too. Have a pleasant day.
anchor_down
> Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
09/30/2014 at 11:30 | 2 |
Yeah no, that guy's a douche. I wouldn't worry too much about douche bags and their opinions, just don't be around dickbags. Aaaand, if those texts are from your ex you are better off having her as your ex. I can't stand apologists like that.
I am not Jewish, I have been partners with the same Jewish man for the last 10 years. People will always disappoint you when it comes to the Jews. Jewish people are largely just so well integrated into society that something causes most people to not see them as the oppressed/degraded minority they have historically been. I'm not speaking to current politics, just history. My boyfriend tends to joke a lot about "oh, well, I AM Jewish! lololol" type stuff when it comes to money or controlling media, or whatever. He is 150% joking. We have joked in front of my 33 year old sister about it....she has joked appropriately back, it's all good.
Then, one day she calls me up and starts telling me this "hilarious" story about her Christian co-workers college-age son who is throwing a "Jewish Christmas party," in which they bought fake gold, beards, Kippah's, fake Payis, etc. Yeah, I noped the fuck out of that conversation. People will always disappoint you. It's the one off, who doesn't disappoint you that you must cling to and surround yourself with.