Am I the only one

"Viggen" (viggen37)
09/27/2014 at 21:41 • Filed to: Corvette, angry, rant

Who does not want to see a mid-engine Corvette, and thinks Car and Driver needs to shut the fuck up about it?

Here's some FRONT ENGINED Corvette and some mid-engined Ferrari porn for your time.

EDIT: If you're wondering why I'm posting about this a couple weeks after it's already been talked about here, it's because the bullshit popped up on my facebook feed again.

DISCUSSION (66)

Sweet Trav > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:44

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CRider > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:47

The Corvette is already mid engined.

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Tuned-Port-Injected-Rage > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:47

YES. I could not agree more. I'll never forgive GM if they make a mid-engined 'Vette.

DoYouEvenShift > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:47

Im with you there, I think it goes against what Corvette stands for.

Jedidiah > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:48

I agree. It would be a waste of R&D.

GM already has a good engineering portfolio and they make their money from mass production and selling components like their MRC. Building a mid-engined Corvette would be overly redundant and certainly not profitable.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:49

I just want another MR2. :( Inline 4, cheap, and fun.

dogisbadob > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:50

What's Car and Driver? Is that like one of those car magazine things people used to read before Jalopnik existed? :p

I'm neutral on the mid-engine Corvette issue, but I would like to see a gated shifter, a DOHC engine, and optional AWD.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/27/2014 at 21:50

I think when people say mid-engined they mean rear mid engined!

whoarder is tellurium > CRider
09/27/2014 at 21:50

When you see it...

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Viggen > dogisbadob
09/27/2014 at 21:52

Yeah it's one of those magazines, like Motor Snore, I mean Motor Trend, who's constantly doing M3 vs Camaro vs Mustang runs at Laguna Seca.

Viggen > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/27/2014 at 21:54

Yeah pretty much.

dogisbadob > CRider
09/27/2014 at 21:54

So are these fine cars :)

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vdub_nut: scooter snob > CRider
09/27/2014 at 21:54

This is a vastly underrated post.

CAcoalminer > dogisbadob
09/27/2014 at 21:54

None of those are going to happen.

SonorousSpeedJoe > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:55

I'd like to see the Corvette remain FR as well. An MR vehicle in GM's product line would be great, but I'd prefer that it be a separate model - maybe an MR Cadillac roadster, since Pontiac is dead and Buick's youth-oriented reinvention for the U.S. market seems limited to what we've got now and the FF Cascada convertible that's on the way.

Also, as an aside... I take it that you're a RWBY fan?

mcseanerson > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 21:57

Nope.

Viggen > SonorousSpeedJoe
09/27/2014 at 21:57

Cascada? Haven't heard about that.

And yes, I am a fan. Became a fan within four minutes of the first episode.

SPNKiX > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:00

Isn't the mid engined car being added to the line up? Meaning the old configuration is not being removed...?

dogisbadob > CAcoalminer
09/27/2014 at 22:00

Yeah I know :(

BlazinAce - Doctor of Internal Combustion > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:00

Nope, I'm right there with you. I couldn't care less about a Mid engine vette...

Jcarr > DoYouEvenShift
09/27/2014 at 22:03

I disagree. Seeing how Zora Arkus-Duntov was a major proponent of a mid-engine layout, it would not at all go against what the Corvette stands for.

The Corvette stands for excellent performance and a mid-engine layout majorly helps achieve that.

Sweet Trav > dogisbadob
09/27/2014 at 22:03

Why would you like a DOHC engine? to add unnecessary weight and complication to literally the worlds best performance engine for the price?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:08

Mid-rear engined Corvette? No. Don't care for that.

A mid-rear engined GM halo car, a la the Cadillac Cien? Absofuckinglutely.

DoYouEvenShift > Jcarr
09/27/2014 at 22:10

Yeah I remember that. It would ok as long as it doesnt jack up the price. At that point, it becomes an exotic. The same car it was supposed to compete with but at a lower price

Also no DOHC engines. Yes I remember the LT5.

StingrayJake > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:11

As has already been pointed out, it's a bit of a misnomer to call it mid-engine. It would be rear-mid-engine and as I understand it, it wouldn't provide that much of an improvement in balance.

That being said, I think it's pretty exciting and wouldn't mind seeing a Corvette supercar... BUT I love the Corvette for what it is and my dream of owning one isn't that outrageous considering what's been GM's business approach with it all these years. Could I ever possibly own a Corvette supercar? Just like the Ferraris of the world, probably not. But it's still exciting to think about.

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/27/2014 at 22:11

That's what most people think of when they think mid engined, but the Corvette still has a damn near perfect weight distribution. Going rear mid would really only make the car more expensive and less practical.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > CRider
09/27/2014 at 22:12

That's what my extra screw supply told me when I was replacing the distributor cap.

Conan > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:12

I thought what they showed looked hideously ugly. I'm not super resistant of the notion but I like some other options more.

SonorousSpeedJoe > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:14

Yeah, there have been Opel Cascada sightings in the U.S., as well as someone who claimed to have seen the Buick Cascada at a dealer presentation. It's certainly more believable than rumors of a new GNX.

I think that I stumbled upon RWBY after watching the first episode of some fan-made Dragon Ball series on YouTube - I don't remember the timing that well. I do know that I caught up on the trailers and first eight episodes before Episode 9 was posted on YouTube, and that I started watching new episodes of Volume 1 on Rooster Teeth's site some time later. Now I stream it on Crunchyroll.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/27/2014 at 22:15

Rear mid is the best set up for speed. I think a 100k corvette is kind of defeating the purpose of the corvette, and I don't see that one being less than 100k. Although it could happen, Toyota was able to build the MR2 and made it an every man car, I am sure GM can do the same.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:16

I want GM to make a rear mid-engined car.

But they better not call is Corvette.

dogisbadob > Sweet Trav
09/27/2014 at 22:19

Because of all the shit that "oh Americans can't make 100 hp/L without forced induction" so making such an engine would shut them up, "Here's a high-output DOHC American engine, so STFU" (and yes, I'm guilty of this, too)

AWD would help handle all that torque.

And the gated shifter is awesome. Why don't all manual transmissions have it?

Viggen > SonorousSpeedJoe
09/27/2014 at 22:20

It was probably Team Four Star's Dragon Ball Z Abridged. I started watching RWBY, maybe a month and a half ago. Between being deployed and taking the summer catching up on everything else I missed a chance to watch since I got back, it was on the back burner. I'm a whore for Rooster Teeth's products.

Dsscats > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:20

I hate the article because it's probably fake. Literally the only probable reason they give is that the front engine, RWD platform is maxed out with the Z06, which is a flat out lie.

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/27/2014 at 22:24

How is rear mid better if the weight distribution is the same? The C7 has a very slight rearward weight bias as it sits thanks to the transaxle. And GM used to make a rear mid car cheap car, don't forget the Pontiac Fiero.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:26

GM should build a mid/rear engined sports/super car, but they shouldn't call it the Corvette. They should use something from their racing heritage.

Viggen > SonorousSpeedJoe
09/27/2014 at 22:29

Looks like my last post got eaten by nibbles. I'm pretty much a whore for anything made by Rooster Teeth.

Montalvo > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:29

It wouldn't be a bad idea but it shouldn't be a Corvette but based off of it. It should follow the lines of Ford's De Tomaso Pantera. Let the engineers go crazy and produce a ludicrous mid engined monster that can be serviced at cobalt prices. They can keep the run extremely limited to maintain Corvette's top dog status if they want to. Have the starting price around 110K or so. They could keep things with the classic RWD or maybe use the opportunity to see the possibilities of an AWD setup. It should just start as a project for shits and giggles and if there is actually some real interest they can further refine it and produce it.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/27/2014 at 22:30

Yes, it may have the same weight distribution but a lot of the weight is in the engine, move it to the middle and if offers different handling characteristics. If there was no difference, why wouldn't all the LMP1 and F1 cars be front engined? It is easier to package, and causes less headaches in the long run.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > CAcoalminer
09/27/2014 at 22:30

None?

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HammerheadFistpunch > CRider
09/27/2014 at 22:32

This arrangement is called fm ( front mid) to distinguish from a driver forward car

Sweet Trav > dogisbadob
09/27/2014 at 22:33

http://www.onallcylinders.com/2014/01/16/top…

We were 43 off in 1962... I think with modern FI and cams we could make that work...

SonorousSpeedJoe > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:37

I didn't mean TFS' Abridged Series, I was referring to this:

I don't remember how I initially came across it - it was probably from searching for DBZ Kai stuff. Heck, maybe my finding RWBY didn't have anything to do with this at all.

I don't watch Rooster Teeth stuff (heck, not much stuff in general), but I do want to check out Red vs. Blue at some point. People seem to make it out to be the bee's knees.

unclevanos (Ovaltine Jenkins) > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:42

Corvette is front engined and AMERICA! Seriously I don't see the point in a midengined corvette its blasphemy. If GM wants a midengine car, they can call it Fiero or Corvair.

hike > Viggen
09/27/2014 at 22:47

I agree with you. Being mid-engined would kill the practicality that makes the Corvette so special. It would also kill the traditional long nose short rear deck look that has defined the car for 61 years. Plus, front-engine is plenty capable. Now if Chevy wants to build a supercar similar to the Ford GT and give it the new Z06 engine, I'd be down with that.

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/27/2014 at 23:22

The Corvette is not a Le Mans prototype race car, it's a sports car. Ferrari's F12 Berlinetta is front mid, and beside the LaFerrari LaFerrai it's their highest performance road car. Going rear mid will shift more weight to the back, and could shorten the wheelbase. That changes how a car handles, it will lighten the nose and the shorter wheelbase will make the car change direction faster, but will also make it harder to drive / less stable. Great in a race car, but not so great on a street car.

CAcoalminer > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire
09/27/2014 at 23:26

I'm going to ignore this.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/27/2014 at 23:46

Actually, going rear engineed may create a longer wheel base, the diff and transmission are usually set behind it. Unless of course they decide to put the tranmission in front of the engine. This is how Lamborghini creates a car with a shorter wheelbase, it also creates the side effect of the engine being higher.

Also, not sure how fast you plan on driving on the street, but I drive like a grandma on the road! I don't think I would be anywhere near the limit in my car. If you were to take it to a race track though. . .

However, rear mid-engined cars are harder to drive. It is just the nature of them, not for beginners at all. It was because of the weight in the rear, think 911 but a little less extreme, it helps them rotate. Which is why people complained about lift off oversteer in a MR2.

Also, I am pretty sure the F12 is their highest performance road car because it has nearly 130 more hp than the most powerful 458. Not even close to being fair. Also here!

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/28/2014 at 00:07

Of course I was thinking Gallardo and not Enzo when I said that. The Gallardo always looked a little... squished to me.

For some reason, I doubt you drive like a grandma on the street- at least, once you coax your little Scion up to speed!

Do you think the C8 Corvette should go mid engined?

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/28/2014 at 00:15

I think the C8 should stay front engined. Corvette is an everyman car, a mid engine design would be a bit much for the market it is aiming for. Like you said, there are a ton more compromises for a mid engined car(plus they like to catch fire). But it is better in my opinion(cause faster=better!)

I really do, I am not even lying. I was recording my tune and seeing how much throttle I put in when I regularly accelerate it was 7%. That was it. Besides, I am a young man, in a sports car. I don't need a reason for the Po po to give me a ticket! I get all my angst out during autocrossing!

Funny you should mention the Gallardo, cause it had the tranmission behind the engine, which is why it handled better than the V12 ones. But it does look a bit small. I think the V12 ones are perfect!

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/28/2014 at 00:31

You think faster = better and you bought a FRS?

Of course the V12 Lambos look better. Longer cars look better/are better proportioned, and the Murcie is almost a foot longer than the Gallardo.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/28/2014 at 00:44

Hey now, I never said I made sense! Besides, my car beat a Gallardo by 3 seconds at an autocross. Therefore FRS faster than a Gallardo :D

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/28/2014 at 00:54

Without watching the video, I'd guess it's on race suspension, has track day rubber that lasts about 500 miles on the street, is stripped to the bone and is either boosted to high hell or has a LS motor.

Team6.1 > Viggen
09/28/2014 at 00:57

Murica. MURICA. Engine (business) in the front, burnt rubber (party) in the back.

YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/28/2014 at 00:59

It has a turbo, and it isn't heavily boosted otherwise it would have 450hp! It is basically a race car though, but it has Toyo R888 which a lot of Elise owners drive on. They are road legal but they last about 5k miles. This isn't even the cars final form. THIS IS IT.

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Class rules limit it to 400hp, but it can make much much more. It also has 325 section race tires upfront and rear. It will absolutely destroy the Mclaren on the track!

CRider > YSI-what can brown do for you
09/28/2014 at 01:05

I've seen light aircraft with smaller wings than that, but I still think a Corvette motor would be better because low end torque. And McLaren has an answer to this thing, too. They've been doing racing a lot longer than Scion.

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YSI-what can brown do for you > CRider
09/28/2014 at 01:26

Scion has never been racing. It is too cool for them. This is a shop that is building this car, it is a time attack car. Seriously, there is exactly zero scion sponcered race times I can think of.

Also, hello sir!

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