Good god new cars are fat

"cletus44 aka Clayton Seams" (cletus44) 09/27/2014 at 16:25 • Filed to: None

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Just one of the many reasons why I would never, ever buy a new car.

Manuél Ferrari > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:27

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they kind of have to be. People are so much taller now. It's the hormones in the meat or something.

My citroen won't start > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:28

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Quite.

Alex B > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:28

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That is huge. I wonder how a 997 would look next to a NA miata.

Burrito de EJ25 > Manuél Ferrari 09/27/2014 at 16:29

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And yet still perform far better than their lighter counterparts.

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:30

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Given safety standards from now and then, you're doing it on your own risk.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:30

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Says the guy who drives a Chrysler Newport....

Manuél Ferrari > Burrito de EJ25 09/27/2014 at 16:31

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yup. I'd rather have a GT3 RS 4.0 over a 2.7 RS. The 4.0 is worth less but is the faster car.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Burrito de EJ25 09/27/2014 at 16:33

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I would hope so given that they've had 50 odd years to improve it. But a Boeing 737 flies 600 mph and I fall asleep on them all the time. Faster doesn't always mean more exciting.

PS9 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:33

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Good god new cars *have improved crumple zones, chassis legs, collapsable crossmembers and other necessary if heavier engineering technologies that keep me from turning into chunky salsa during a bad wreck, yet are still faster and get better fuel mileage than their lighter counterparts decades ago so I as a consumer pay no penalty for all the improvements I enjoy.

fixed.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. 09/27/2014 at 16:34

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I think it's the largest unibody car ever made. And it STILL weighs less than a Mercedes S Class, big block 383 and all haha

Steve in Manhattan > My citroen won't start 09/27/2014 at 16:34

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cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/27/2014 at 16:35

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Honest question: Have highway fatalities dropped or risen per capita in the US from the 50's/60's?

ADabOfOppo; Gone Plaid (Instructables Can Be Confusable) > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:35

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You do realize your land-barge is bigger than both of those combined, yes?

Also, I immediately thought of the Eeek! the Cat gag, where he's always going "Really?" when his friends tell him his girlfriend is fat.

Steve in Manhattan > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:37

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Wait - the Newport is a UNIBODY?

PatBateman > Manuél Ferrari 09/27/2014 at 16:37

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Yes yes. Hormones. That we put in our meat. That we eat as a triple patty melt, a large order of fries, and a Diet Coke.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Steve in Manhattan 09/27/2014 at 16:37

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You bet. pretty advanced cars actually. That's why rust killed them off so early. The rockers are structural.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:38

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Dropped massively.

PatBateman > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 09/27/2014 at 16:40

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Damn. I had that exact graph that I was about to post.

Basically, we're at where we were in 1921.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:40

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I'd bet the green 911 is more spacious. In my 02 I have so much room and I'm 6 foot 180lbs. In my moms e93 I'm in a cocoon.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 09/27/2014 at 16:40

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HA! My car was made in the third most deadly year for cars since WWII

EL_ULY > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:40

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survival rate has probably gone up also

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > My citroen won't start 09/27/2014 at 16:40

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wow!

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > PS9 09/27/2014 at 16:43

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We pay by having cars that look like bars of soap cast in a wind tunnel. I like thin a-pillars, low door sills and no B-pillars. All of those things have been mandated out of existence. Undeniably more dangerous than a new car but don't you like a bit of danger?

Burrito de EJ25 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:43

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But more often than not it does. If you're going to tell me that modern Porsche 911 is boring, well, I don't even know what to tell you. Keep on keeping on with those rose tinted glasses.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman 09/27/2014 at 16:43

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mmm. Reminds me of the aweome meal I had last night.

I had the best turkey club ever. Buttered bread. Maple bacon. Real shaved turkey. And super fried fries

Cholesterol tastes so good

Steve in Manhattan > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:44

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My take on the size differences is: 1) crumple zones and lots more safety equipment; 2) so many more options available; and 3) as someone else pointed out, people are getting bigger. I remember going to Ford's Theater before they restored it - those seats were tight. And the oldest subway cars here in NYC have one seat with four people indentations. They are routinely filled by 3 people.

Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell. > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:45

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I imagined it would be a little lighter than modern luxury cars. I mean the weight in wiring alone on the S class must be crazy.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 09/27/2014 at 16:46

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You nailed it. There's way more room in my "old" 1999 Suburban than in a new one. Cars so damn thick now! And btw, the 2002 is a gorgeous 60's design and one of my all-time faves. Great ride!

PatBateman > Manuél Ferrari 09/27/2014 at 16:47

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Yup. Cholesterol, bad kinds of fat, carbs... Everything a growing boy needs to die early.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Burrito de EJ25 09/27/2014 at 16:47

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It's not a boring car. But to me, a new 911 is more boring than a 1964 911. Strokes for folks. New one is faster and more efficient all that but I want manual steering, air cooled wailing and the smell of gasoline wafting over vinyl.

Too many M's > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:47

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600mph at 37,000 feet might not be exciting. But at 37 feet I'll bet your ass you'd be awake.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Too many M's 09/27/2014 at 16:48

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hahaha very true! I;d probably be shitting myself

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > PatBateman 09/27/2014 at 16:49

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Yep, except the car ownership rate is 10x higher now than it was then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_veh…

Burrito de EJ25 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:49

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I take it you've experienced the new electrical steering and you totally disagree with mostly everyone who has driven it and has said it's totally not a thing to even think about?

El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:51

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Irrelevant because:

- a lot more cars on pretty much the same infrastructure

- drivers are more incompetent and less prepared for various road situations

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:51

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And that graph doesn't even tell the whole story. Car ownership rates a significantly higher now than they were in the past. I wonder if there is a graph showing fatalities per mile driven.

Steve in Manhattan > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:53

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I always wanted my dad to get a huge Chrysler, but instead, every four years, he ordered another Impala.

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > Burrito de EJ25 09/27/2014 at 16:54

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I haven't driven the new 911 but I have had seat time in plenty of new exotica (R8 V10, McLaren 650S) and it just doesn't excite me as much as old stuff does. The steering on the 650S was incredible! The car turns like it has a pivot under your butt, it's amazing! And I'm sure the new 911 is much the same way but that's not what I look for in my personal car. I like simple vehicles where I feel a part of the machine.

IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:55

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Fatality rates were 3x higher per mile in 1975. You might not like the weight in your car, but it does make you safer.
http://www.iihs.org/iihs/topics/t/…

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > El Relámpago(LZone) - Humanity First! 09/27/2014 at 16:56

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I agree on both points. I was just curious about the numbers

FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 16:57

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I agree with you Cletus, new "soap bar" cars just aren't for me at this point in my life. Not to mention how big a pain they are to work on. Perhaps if I have children I will have to change my ways, or just get something bigger and safer...

cletus44 aka Clayton Seams > FJ80WaitinForaLSV8 09/27/2014 at 16:59

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Now we're talkin!

45bullets > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 17:00

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quite.

JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 > Manuél Ferrari 09/27/2014 at 17:23

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4.0>2.7RS>991,996,all other track oriented Porsches

TheLOUDMUSIC- Put it in H! > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 17:41

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Says the person who drives a car that is significantly bigger than most everything on the road.

I agree though, cars are getting too big.

 V8 Rustler > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 17:48

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Well, they are certainly a lot faster, unlike what happened in the malaise era.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 17:55

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Hello new wallpaper. ;)

Tohru > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 18:04

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phreaddy > IDROVEAPICKUPTRUCK 09/27/2014 at 18:04

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What's more accurate is to know the number of deaths PER PASSENGER MILE DRIVEN — not relative to the total population. (But I expect it's way down, too.)

Tohru > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 18:09

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Sometimes that's not the case. Take the 2014 Impala.

My 1976 Delta 88 was the same size as a 1976 Chevrolet Impala.

The Delta was 228" nose-to-tail, 124" wheelbase, and 102" wide (not counting mirrors).

MAXIMUMVRM > Burrito de EJ25 09/27/2014 at 19:13

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and safer

George McNally > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 19:21

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My great aunt married late in life (she was in her 40's when she got married)....she married a wealthy insurance broker back in the late 60's....he took her Porsche shopping and she couldn't make up her mind what color she wanted.

That's how she ended up with 3 of them, one green, one red and one white. I was about 12 at the time and I remember her driving the shit out of them.

My great aunt lived to be 88 years old and she was a badass the whole way up to the end.

Variance > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/27/2014 at 19:49

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Considering how much newer the 991 is, I'm actually somewhat surprised at how small the difference in size actually is. Your point does stand with some other models, however, like the Mini Cooper.

Manuél Ferrari > PatBateman 09/27/2014 at 19:59

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I'm having so much of it now. Plus beer

Manuél Ferrari > JayZAyEighty thinks C4+3=C7 09/27/2014 at 22:42

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4.0 all the things!

Jedidiah > Burrito de EJ25 09/28/2014 at 01:41

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Computer aided design tends to help that alot.

All kinds of multivariat optimizations that used to be estimated by the hand and eye are similated almost exactly to the accuracy the need to be.

I'd be shocked if modern cars didn't perform better. People don't drive old stuff because of the numbers they can pull off, they drive them because they like them.

Chuck 2(O=[][]=O)2 > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/28/2014 at 11:15

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Thanks. BTW, love your Chrysler. I'm still a Mopar fan at heart , and that thing is a beauty.

Grindintosecond > cletus44 aka Clayton Seams 09/28/2014 at 19:18

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This image proves the need for a return of the 4-cylinder Porsche 912.

6shelBfan6 > Tohru 09/28/2014 at 21:16

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I was sitting behind one of those yachts in traffic the other day. Its as tall as a CUV! No thanks.