"RightFootDown" (rightfootdown)
09/09/2014 at 19:47 • Filed to: amg gt, jaguar f-type r
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"RightFootDown" (rightfootdown)
09/09/2014 at 19:47 • Filed to: amg gt, jaguar f-type r | 17
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The Mercedes Benz AMG GT was called competition to the Porsche 911 before a single journalist even drove the damn thing. Let me tell you right now. The AMG GT is not !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! competition. The foe is a feline. The AMG GT competitor is !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .
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Both the AMG GT and the Jaguar F-Type R use boosted V8 engines. Mercedes does it a bit differently with their "Hot V" turbo design which positions the two small snails between the heads of the 4.0 liter V8 rather than outside to conserve space. Jaguar uses a roots style supercharger on their 5.0 liter V8 for instant boost. Nothing fancy going on here. Interestingly enough, the AMG GT manages to make more torque almost 1000 RPM earlier. This means that boost lag may be non existent and the throttle feel more instant like a larger V8.
From the engine and dimensions, I peg the AMG GT as much more of a GT Cruiser with track capabilities than a track car for the street. Sounds a lot like the Jaguar, doesn't it? Take a look at the stats on paper and you decide.
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Predictions
From the numbers I read that the AMG GT's wheelbase is nearly identical to the Jag. Mercedes may have done this to keep the car under control during the power slides which are bound to happen. Sure, weight distribution is near ideal and the GT S can be shod with !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! tires but it has 480 pounds feet of torque that will hit like a freight train. It's only a matter of time until !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! gets his hands on one and God only knows what that smoke show will look like.
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Unless Mercedes has packed in the world's greatest traction control system every designed, Chris will say the AMG GT is exhilarating because it is a handful to drive fast and nearly impossible to keep on the straight and narrow through the tight corners. It's here that the 911 will put the power down and leave the AMG GT for dead. The lap times will prove it. The only chance the AMG GT has of rivaling the Porsche 911 would be at Road America or a desert highway.
The true competitor, the Jaguar F-Type R, will require equal amounts of coordination and focus to set a good lap. The difference here, I suspect, is that Benz will feel just that slight bit tighter and solid. The steering, communicating that extra word.
Interior wise, we can only go by photos but I'd venture to say both cabins are very nice places to spend time. The AMG GT's interior appears to have all the amenities you'd expect with a futuristic looking center console. It is a bit intimidating at first glance with the buttons, selectors and knobs stolen straight out of Star Trek Voyager. The seats themselves don't look to be all that sporty when compared to the buckets found in the Porsche. The Jaguar's interior is rather bland in comparison. I won't bore you with a photo.
Then there's the looks. The cat has them in spades. I'm afraid the AMG GT is a bit soft from the outside and the growl won't quite match the ferocity of the F-Type R. Owners of these cars will rarely take them to the track. They'll wind up at your local Cars & Coffee to pose for photos with the SLS and SLR.
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GhostZ
> RightFootDown
09/09/2014 at 20:00 |
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Agreed 100%. People who want a 911, want a 911. People who want an FR premium coupe, they want an F-Type, Granturismo or AMG GT.
DanZman
> RightFootDown
09/09/2014 at 20:10 |
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I'd say that level astons, grantorismos, and possibly new z06's are better comparisons to this car.
Milky
> RightFootDown
09/09/2014 at 20:21 |
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Nah, the 911 sells by the boat load. Thats the one aim your product at, ala "3 series competitor".
twinturbobmw
> RightFootDown
09/09/2014 at 21:15 |
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Thanks for posting this. I completely agree. The 911 and F Type/AMG GT are two different cars. The AMG and Jag are more sporty GT oriented cars, whereas the 991 is more track oriented. Given the choice out of the 3, I would choose the F Type.
Manuél Ferrari
> Milky
09/10/2014 at 00:21 |
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I totally agree. Mercedes doesn't care about F Type sales. They want to sell a lot of these things.
And they probably will.
KSEGGFTW
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:36 |
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Yeah, I never got why they called it the "911 fighter". Marketing BS at its best.
The only car that can beat a 911, is another 911. Duh.
Quinten McKracken
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:39 |
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I think the real competition between these two cars is who will put a stick in first?
spanfucker retire bitch
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:40 |
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The problem is, by saying it's an F-Type R competitor, you're also saying it's a 911 competitor as Jaguar has claimed repeatedly that the F-Type is designed to compete against the 911. And even though I don't think that's an apt comparison either, it is the official company line.
LongbowMk2
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:42 |
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a lot of assumptions in this piece.
A merc having the extra word in steering feel? When that ever been the case? Most amg reviews seem to boil down to; it's a bit sterile and numb compared to bmw, but I have 1 million foot pounds of torque so, WEEEEEEE! *powerslides off into a cloud of tire smoke*
Mable C. Brandon
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:43 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
Kate's Dirty Sister
> DanZman
09/10/2014 at 10:44 |
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I don't think the Vette is fancy enough, people buying Jags and Benzes (and 911's) are probably not likely to get a vette or a GT-R as they aren't necessarily looking for the best bang for the buck, nor for a track beast.
325xi Touring not brown/diesel
> Milky
09/10/2014 at 10:44 |
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Exactly, who has more sales to "steal" the F-Type or the 911? Mercedes built this car for one reason and this is to get a piece of the "911" pie, if they get some of the "Cats" pie that is cool with them too.
There is lots of rhetoric in this post as the author has no idea how the GT S will drive or handle.
tobythesandwich
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:44 |
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This is a killer. The rotary wheel is great. Don't get me wrong. But the touchpad controls on the top itself are not that good. It also looks a bit cheap IMO. I guess because I much prefer the S-Class when it still used the leather wrapped cover.
Dubblewhopper
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:46 |
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I would take them both. Especially in a three-pedal set-up. Alas I think the F-type is the only one with a manual option.
TheCraigy
> GhostZ
09/10/2014 at 10:47 |
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Hmmmm... I think many guys buy a 911 because that's really the only option. These days they have a couple few choices.
drteek
> Quinten McKracken
09/10/2014 at 10:47 |
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Apparently, that will be Jaguar.
CombatSquash
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:47 |
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I like this treatment of HVAC controls. I really just like this whole crazy interior period. So much crazy so much want.
McLarry
> Kate's Dirty Sister
09/10/2014 at 10:50 |
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Maybe on the international market...in the US I agree the 'Vette doesn't carry the same exclusivity as the other marques.
MrPedantic
> Dubblewhopper
09/10/2014 at 10:51 |
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The 911 has a manual option. Glorious 7-speed manual.
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titsinmymitts
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:51 |
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Man, Mercedes has really nailed their interiors lately.
The industrial/purposeful look they are using throughout their lineup is fantastic.
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McLarry
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:52 |
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"Let me tell you right now. The AMG GT is not Porsche 911 competition. The foe is a feline. The AMG GT competitor is Jaguar's F-Type R." - ...which is itself a 911 competitor. So, by the transitive property of competition, the AMG GT does indeed compete with the 911. QED
Crest
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:54 |
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Who cares what's it's competitor? Just give me any of the cars mentioned above and i'll be good
Sweet Trav
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:54 |
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Well written, but it's missing the Z06 which is clearly competition to all of these vehicles, in form, function, and style. You should have included it in this comparo.
IPFreely
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:55 |
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Obviously no person in their right mind would buy the Merc over the 911. I firmly believe it's just as true that no person in their right mind would buy the Jag over the Merc.
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Blibbax
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:57 |
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Peak torque RPM and boost lag are unrelated. You can have a 5 second lag after which peak torque is accessible at 500RPM.
Turbocharged engines often have broader power curves these days, which is one of the main things that torque (being a function of power/RPM) is measuring.
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TheCraigy
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:58 |
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I think there is some confusion in this article... perhaps basic syntax error. The F-Type R being an AMG GT competitor does not invalidate the claim that the AMG GT is a 911 competitor.
The Mercedes Benz AMG GT was called competition to the Porsche 911 before a single journalist even drove the damn thing. Let me tell you right now. The AMG GT is not Porsche 911 competition. The foe is a feline. The AMG GT competitor is Jaguar's F-Type R .
The true competitor, the Jaguar F-Type R...
Article is titled "The Real AMG GT Competitor," i.e. the car that competes with the AMG GT. Article then says the AMG GT is not a 911 competitor (i.e., competition to the Porsche 911), but instead that the F-Type R is a AMG GT competitor (i.e., competition to the AMG GT).
stevethecurse
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:58 |
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It is ridiculous how heavy that Jaaag is for a car with only two seats. For shame...
La Mia Ferrari
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 10:58 |
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Exactly. Front-engined, rear-wheel-driven sports cars with big power can't compete with a 911's layout in real track driving. That's why the new Viper is faster than every 911 variant except possibly the Turbo S on some tracks. Wait, what?
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stevethecurse
> TheCraigy
09/10/2014 at 10:59 |
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The 911 will have "competition" when someone else comes out with an amazing car with the engine in the wrong place.
Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:01 |
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Just cuz this is the internet and I get to whine at will...
Can we come up with cool car names that use letters other than G T R S? I get that they all have their own significance, but it's tiresome.
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IvanaTinkle
> Kate's Dirty Sister
09/10/2014 at 11:02 |
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You're lying. Track times are the only thing anyone ever wants.
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J "oppo" Zeke
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:06 |
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Clickbait.
Look, only someone who can't afford a $100k car can make the statement in the lede. If however you can, like several friends of mine I've known since either high school or college then the choice isn't about numbers. It's about which sweet sports car tickles their taint the most. Simple.
Trust me on this one, guys and gals who can afford $100k+ new cars aren't as asinine as us anoraks on the internet. The AMG IS a competitor to the 911 (and F-Type, Vantage and many others) because it is:
Fast
Exclusive
Sexy
An aural delight
European (seriously, guys who are considering a European sports car don't compare them to Vettes because they aren't Euro. It isn't a pragmatic decision based on numbers.)
Expensive
Strangely practical for day-to-day use
EVO will compare this to the 911, because they get it. A little less so every day since the departure of Harry Metcalfe, but they still get it. The American magazines and Car (and the Germans ones too) will compare it as well.
The end of each article will roughly read: we love the 911 because of X,Y,Z, but if those little driving bits aren't your primary focus you may likely love the AMG.
The question is: why hasn't anyone else caught on to this yet? It's like teaching a classroom of children suffering from memory loss after 24 hours. Memento, with kids.
The Stig's Rustbelt Cousin
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:07 |
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Spot-on. I'm getting a little tired of every car publication labeling every new sports car at the appropriate price point as "Brand X's All-New 911 Fighter!" It's just absurd. No other car company even bothers to try and go head-to-head with Porsche, because no matter how well their car outperforms the 911, the 911 buyer simply will not be swayed. If you always dreamed of owning a 911, then that's the sports car you'll eventually buy, and no amount of performance numbers or lap times or creature comforts will dissuade you from it. People feel the same way about Corvettes, even the ones that were terrible.
And why does the 911 have such an unassailable position? Because those very same car publications are the ones that put the 911 on its pedestal, which Porsche didn't even want it to be on in the first place. By the late 1970s, they were already working on putting the old Carrera out to pasture, replacing it with the 928. But, the customers (and the car magazines) didn't like that idea, so the 911 lingered on. And on. And on.
I'm not saying it's a bad car, mind you, but when Porsche must purposely de-tune the Cayman and Boxster to maintain the 911's place in the performance hierarchy, it's a sign that the car has reached it's sell-by date. They'll never take it out of production, because to most everyone, Porsche and 911 are the same entity.
No, Mercedes is not foolish enough to try and compete with their neighbors in Stuttgart, they're going after everyone else, especially the BMW M6.
505 - morphine not found
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:10 |
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Being competitor to a car (as in targeting the same customer base) and being comparable to a car (as in having much in parallel) are very different things. Given price, badge, performance and targeted sales numbers, the AMG GT is in deed targeting the very same demographic group the 911 does. And targeting it much better, than the British-built, and somewhat cheaper F-Type. (I would go for that, but that's moot here)
The fact a lot of people will go default and get a 911 notwithstanding.
Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:11 |
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So you drove the AMG GT S?
biribaatomica
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:12 |
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I was (am) a big, BIG fan of the SLS. Its the first car I actually get the feels when I see and hear in person. If I get the choice of a AMG GT or Jaguar F-Type R... I'll take a black Jag with tan interior without second thoughts. Then again I'm a 17 year old who doesn't work yet, so I won't have to worry about that anytime soon
472CID
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:12 |
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And don't forget the Vantage and possible future Maserati
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505 - morphine not found
> Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
09/10/2014 at 11:13 |
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This is a GT in the original sense of the expression, so i would say they should use it.
PatrickPM
> MrPedantic
09/10/2014 at 11:14 |
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How is that 7-speed? I remember all the hoopla when it was announced but I never ended up hearing anything about it once it went into production.
meatatarian
> MrPedantic
09/10/2014 at 11:14 |
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Fun fact: The manual and PDK are actually the same gear sets, with different clutch/actuation setups. I'm all about the manual but I had the pleasure of launch control shooting a 991 0-100mph this weekend and can confirm PDK isn't exactly the worst thing I've ever touched...
Steven Phillips Photography
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:15 |
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I'd still have the Jaaaaaaaaaaaaag.
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Kate's Dirty Sister
> IvanaTinkle
09/10/2014 at 11:20 |
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Ring time and 0-60, nobody cares about the rest.
Ash78, voting early and often
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:24 |
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Good assessment. And then there's the looks, which are subjective. But IMHO, Mercedes has a great batch of nice looking cars right now...EXCEPT the SL and SLK. They still seem odd looking to me, almost like something a teenage boy would build with his first LEGO Technic set.
classbutnostile
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:29 |
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This is all spot on, and the perfect perspective. Too many just assume anything in the $100k range is some car "set out to take on the 911." It's unfair to any car to ignore its purpose (GT, track, roadster, etc.) and unfair all the same to ignore Porsche's drive for performance balance (vs. drag times, etc.)
In a Mini; let them mock me as My Mini Countryman is higher than you
> TheCraigy
09/10/2014 at 11:30 |
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PORSCHE: THERE IS NO SUBSTITUE.
pauljones
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:39 |
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I can't say as I agree with this in the least.
In its basic forms, the 911 is no longer the purists sports car that it once was. Sure, the GT2 and GT3 are track-focused supercars, but the "pedestrian" 911s that are built in, and sell in, far larger numbers are large, luxurious grand touring cars. They happen to be quick and handle well thanks to the electronics packages, but they are not outright purist sports cars or track cars any more, and haven't been for a long time. Similarly, just because they have different drivetrain layouts (RR vs FMR), that doesn't mean that they can't fill the same basic niche of luxurious, sporty grand touring cars.
In terms of numeric performance and price, the F-Type and the AMG GT will fit quite nicely within the sweet spot of the 911's product range, which is the Carrera S.
Your assertion that the 911 will have better lap times is interesting, but there is zero hard data to prove that. In fact, there is actually some evidence that the 911's prowess is not nearly as significant as it is made out to be. Even the mighty GT2 - the most powerful and raw 911 that Porsche makes - has been getting its ass handed to it by more pedestrian Corvettes for several years now. There are no known times for the F-Type R or the AMG GT, but I'm far from convinced that the 911 will somehow prove superior merely because it has a Porsche badge on it.
Looks are subjective (though I don't find the AMG GT to be particularly attractive), and as for the engine growl, that remains to be seen. And by the way - most people that buy a 911 GT2 aren't exactly track day nuts, either. They just want to say they have the biggest and baddest Porsche they could afford.
All told, I respect your opinion, but I don't buy your argument just yet.
Alex Wren
> GhostZ
09/10/2014 at 11:43 |
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Agreed. I was basically saying this yesterday. AMGs are muscle cars. Extremely competent muscle cars, but still. I'd argue the same for the Jag. V8s & tire smoke, not a precession instrument. So far, there is still no substitute for a 911.
Han-Solo
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:44 |
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Agree there won't be much 911 cross shopping. The Mercedes should do much better than the lackluster F-Type sales. If I were Jag, I would be very concerned. They should have stuck with the F-Type concept specs: smaller price + supercharged V-6 engines.
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Where's my roll bar?
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:45 |
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This article is basically some walt talking 100% out of his ass.
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JohnH2O
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 11:50 |
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F Type is the most beautiful
991 is the most precise
Corvette is the most bang for ya buck
AMG GT is the most want to be
NG22
> KSEGGFTW
09/10/2014 at 12:02 |
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So much for brand loyalty, AMGftw.
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NG22
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 12:06 |
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This article is preposterous. It completely maps out the driving experience of a car the writer has not driven. Completely irresponsible.
And what you fail to mention is that the GT was tuned by the same engineer who tuned the 991's chassis. Porsche was furious when he was poached. But the idea from the start was to give the GT a far different driving experience than the SLS or SL.
William Byrd
> Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
09/10/2014 at 12:06 |
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So you read the article?
I think the answer to both is "no". :)
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TeeJayHoward
> GhostZ
09/10/2014 at 12:07 |
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No Aston Martin love? Ferrari? Bentley? I mean, yeah, they're double the price, but they're definitely premium coupes!
kitchenaire
> Alex Wren
09/10/2014 at 12:10 |
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To the slightly overweight 50yo lawyers who buy 911s for their spring/summer/fall commute, there's plenty of substitutes - its just a matter of if they are willing to shell out $$ for an "inferior" badge like Jag or Merc rather than Porsche. If Ferrari released a competitor to the 911 at the same price point, even if it was developmentally on the level of a C5 Vette, these "Porsche there is no substitute" guys would be all over that like flies on feces
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Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
> William Byrd
09/10/2014 at 12:11 |
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You know the sound of my point going right over your head? *whoosh*
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TeeJayHoward
> meatatarian
09/10/2014 at 12:12 |
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I took a (used) 991 base out for a spin about a year ago. The PDK was the nicest "semi-auto" I've ever used. But it was still nothing compared to a traditional stick. They claim that it will shift "faster than a human could", which may be true... If you leave out the delay between when you press the shift paddle and when the shift begins. It's about a full second delay, and is definitely noticeable.
That being said, if someone were to give me a 991 w/PDK, I would drive it rather than trade it in for the stick. It really is that good. It's just not good enough for me to put my own money on the line for it.
Daywalker
> titsinmymitts
09/10/2014 at 12:12 |
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It looks nice, but I think the center console doo-hickeys are going to look very dated in about 10 years. Not that anyone currently in the market for this car cares about what it looks like in 10 years.
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kitchenaire
> Dubblewhopper
09/10/2014 at 12:15 |
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The 911, R8, Vette, Viper and M4 are the only sports cars with manuals now.
Marioshi
> Alex Wren
09/10/2014 at 12:18 |
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C7*COUGH*...who said, that! GET OUT!
Der Sportwagoner
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 12:36 |
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Cuz there is no competitor to the 911?
Cheapo
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 12:43 |
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Very good point. The 911 is really a different animal from the other 2.
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Alex Wren
> kitchenaire
09/10/2014 at 12:49 |
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Fair point, but those buyers aren't buying the 911 because it's a fantastic sports car, they are buying it because it's a Porsche and they want the status. A more apt title for the AMG GT/Jag F-type would be "911 market share fighter", because they car doesn't really go head-to-head as a driving experience, but I suppose it does in the golf club parking lot.
boneheadotto
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 13:01 |
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Does anyone else find it utterly amazing that the Porsche 911 is actually LONGER than the F-Type R? My brain tells me the porsche is much shorter. Also even more amazing is that a Dodge Viper is shorter than all of these cars including the 911 by an inch. Again my brain does not comprehend this.
TheBucketOfTruth
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 13:19 |
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If they're even sort of close in price, they're competitors. Not everyone buys a 911 to go thrash it around the track. You said yourself most owners will rarely take them to the track (if ever). You're right in that the Mercedes is more similar to the Jag than the 911 (as I feel most hot Jags are similar to AMGs in spirit), but don't believe for a second they aren't direct competitors.
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Mitch
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 13:24 |
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I feel like Porsche IS its own niche market. People who want to buy a Porsche will buy one. The market crossover on people hemming and hawing in that segment is a very small percentage. So why does every article pertain to Porsche.
It was in the article in the shift about Ferrari, in countless comments regarding this car..... Let Porsche be Porsche. A rear wheel drive front engine Merc is not going to compete. Because its not even close to being the same car. (...!!!!!)
Thank you sir for writing an article that tells us who the Merc's real competitor is, because I second that motion. There will never be a "911 fighter" because any car that comes along that can " fight" will be ridiculed for trying; And surprised we'll all be when no one buys "it" because they would rather just buy the real thing instead. HOLY FUCK I FEEL BETTER.
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meatatarian
> TeeJayHoward
09/10/2014 at 13:35 |
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Oh I agree 100%, which is why my Porsche has 3 pedals as god intended. Merely saying it's not all that hateful compared to the real deal.
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anonJD415
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 13:38 |
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Am I the only one that considers resale value in this segment? Aston is horrible. Jag is horrible. Mercedes AMGs are decent? Porsche is fantastic, yes? Those 911s sell well because guys savvy enough to earn the coin for a $100k splurge, are savvy enough to choose a car worth something when they don't want it anymore.
colorfulyawn
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 13:58 |
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Be nice to see racing versions of both at Le Mans. Bring back a little flavor of the days of Hawthorn and Fangio.
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kitchenaire
> Alex Wren
09/10/2014 at 14:09 |
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Some reviews I've read put the F-Type R far above the 911, and even the F-S above the 911. The 911 is perhaps more neutral (rear engine layout aside) deals with bumps better etc, but perhaps is less exciting than the F-Type and even AMG (GT3 aside of course)?
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marie seoza
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 14:10 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
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marie seoza
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 14:11 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
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Half-Caulked Jack
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 14:16 |
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Am I crazy, or is the AMG GT getting heavier by the hour? early today it was under 3200, then it was 3300, and now its on its way to 3500. At this rate, it'll be heavier than the SLS by the end of the day..
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OppositeLoctopus
> Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
09/10/2014 at 14:40 |
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How about Lexus LF-A? ;-)
It's a "Porch-uh"
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 15:05 |
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Every article I've read on the GT says that's it's up against the 911 Turbo, not the S. $30K less cost, but also 20HP less power.
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Drakkon- Most Glorious and Upright Person of Genius
> OppositeLoctopus
09/10/2014 at 15:15 |
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**golf clap for Lexus**
I say sir. Good show. Good show.
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71Europa
> GhostZ
09/10/2014 at 16:22 |
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Also, love the Merc and the Cat, but both are GT's, not track day.
Wojtek
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 18:48 |
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This is the first thing that comes to mind, that's obvious. Point is, you're missing a small detail.
The F-Type Coupé can be had with a V6. This V6 car is a competitor for BMW 4-series or an Audi S5. Even in the "Coupé R" guise, the humble roots make the Jaguar effectively "this small Jag coupé but with a big engine" which in eyes of the clientele is a kiss of death. The AMG GT comes in two flavours: very fast and very-very fast. Not the Jag. It's flawed by having smaller, less powerful siblings.
This is however not the case with the 911 - the word "iconic" comes to mind and the above logic does not apply to a 911.
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GhostZ
> TeeJayHoward
09/10/2014 at 19:44 |
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Yes, they are, and I'd take an Aston V8 Vantage, even a used one, over the F-Type, 911, and AMG GT any day.
Cielmer
> RightFootDown
09/10/2014 at 21:54 |
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I want this car soooo bad. Especially since its actually within reach. That said, If I wanted a 911, I would get an older 70's version and restore it. The enw ones dont quite do it for me like those. God forbid I could get one of those sweet sweet customs but they are 500k a pop.
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Cielmer
> GhostZ
09/10/2014 at 21:56 |
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Im not so sure now, though I still love the v8 vantage. Ill wait for a used AMG GT.
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William Byrd
> Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
09/11/2014 at 07:11 |
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Please, enlighten me.
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Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
> William Byrd
09/11/2014 at 12:07 |
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"The Mercedes Benz AMG GT was called competition to the Porsche 911 before a single journalist even drove the damn thing. Let me tell you right now. The AMG GT is not Porsche 911 competition. The foe is a feline. The AMG GT competitor is Jaguar's F-Type R ."
"Journalist" complains about other "journalists" talking about a car they haven't driven. It's *ironic* because said "journalist" hasn't driven the car either.
There ya go.
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William Byrd
> Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
09/11/2014 at 12:27 |
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Ah. Reading it the way I do (and working for said publication, I know said "journalist") I did not think it intended to slam on other "journalists" for talking about something they haven't driven, but it just cites that he disagrees with their perspective.
The piece relies only on specs, measurements, etc. and tries to make a point that, purely based on price, and the fact that it's a small'ish 2-door sports car from a luxury car maker, most "journalists" just took the lazy route and said it's obviously a 911 competitor. Look deeper and it aligns closer to the Jag.
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Voice of C. Montgomery Burns
> William Byrd
09/11/2014 at 12:31 |
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I definitely don't disagree with that aspect of it. However, it did come across as a jab at the other guys who are speculating, albeit in a different direction, on the same car that only a few lucky people have actually driven. IMO, of course.
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Color-Commentary
> RightFootDown
09/12/2014 at 01:02 |
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Please can someone explain to me why the Jag weighs so much? It's a relatively small car made out of aluminum. I've spent some time poking around one and nothing jumps out as being particularly over-built - it's as if every single one is shipped with something heavy being smuggled in its private parts.
Wait! Maybe that's the real meaning behind the "its good to be bad" slogan!