"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
09/07/2014 at 08:43 • Filed to: None
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"Flavien Vidal" (flyingfrenchy)
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Japan has one particularity when it comes to cars... They can cost quite a bit to own. One of the reasons for that is the “shaken” (safety and emission check) that takes place every two years for all cars in circulation in Japan. It can sometimes cost over 2000$ depending on your car and how you chose to have your shaken done.
September is the time for my mother-in-law’s Toyota Passo to pass it, so, with my father-in-law, we both went to the local inspection center. First thing I notice was that the owner of the place and my FIL apparently knew each other for quite some time. They started joking almost right away and the shop owner straight-up told him that those 195mm tires that are 7mm outside the wheel-well won’t do it. My FIL tried to negociate, but that was a no-go so we went back home to pick a set of 155mm Blizzak winter tires to be put on the car even though it’s over 30 degrees Celsius outside. Yup, according to Japan’s law, it’s actually much safer to drive on small winter tires in the middle of the summer than to have slightly bigger wheels that reach 7mm outside the wheel arches... Anyway...
We come back and finally the shaken can start.
1 - The 40km/h test. A mech gets inside the car and drives it on a roller at 40km/h according to the speedometer. A margin of error is allowed but overall it has to be somewhat precise. No idea what the error margin is though...
2 - Emission test came just after. Cars under 10 years old have to emit less than 1% of carbon monoxyde and no more than 300ppm of unburned hydrocarbon. Cars older than 10 years old are allowed 4.5% of CO and 1200ppm. No idea about the PPMs but the Passo ended up with 0.1% of CO. Not really any problem at all...
3 - Then came the braking test. Not sure how that works as the car carries no speed in the shop, but it’s tested there again on the roller, front and rear brakes. They roll on it, brake, it seems to work ok it’s fine.
4 - After that is the lights test, they check all the blinkers/lights and properly setup the X-ing beams and full beams with a machine.
(yup, those wheels are illegal in Japan lol)
5 - They get the car up (change the tires for those MUCH safer 155mm bicyl... Blizzaks) and check underneath the car for any leak or dangerous rust. Then they look at the bushings and control arm and finish by knocking on every part of the chassis/drive-train with a little hammer in hope of finding something that vibrates, requiring to be fixed. Nope, no chance there, everything was fine.
6 - They check the gearbox and engine oil and change it if necessary.
And well, that’s it. Total cost for it, without requiring the assistance of a company that does it for you (Japanese people rarely deal with that kind of stuff themselves, they pay someone to do it for them), was 67000 Yen or about 700US$. That for a 1.3L “medium sized” car. Keep in mind that this include some licensing fees and also part of the car insurance (another insurance, costing usually between 400 and 1000$ a year is needed as the shaken does not cover much more than the damages you may cause to a person and not to a building/anything else). Depending on the car and the engine, it usually costs no more than 1000$. If you try to Shaken your Cadillac Escalade, I don’t know though... it might be a bit more than that :)
If like most Japanese you choose not to bring your car yourself, costs can easily go over 1500$ though as these companies doing it for you are rather greedy and won’t hesitate to charge you A LOT for what is, in reality, nothing much at all. It took about 1h of our time to do it... Not counting the 20 extra minutes to change the tires AGAIN, with the summer tires rejected at the inspection of course :)
Bonus Quizz: What does a Toyota Passo and a Mustang Boss 302 have in common??
Live rear axle!!! :) (blurry pic sorry)
(Ok, solid rear axle, sorry :) )
Brian Silvestro
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 08:52 |
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The Shakening
BATC42
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:10 |
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Damn. And I'm here complaining about the 50€ I have to pay to pass my car through inspection before the end of the month....
Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:12 |
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That's crazy, I have to have my car inspected yearly and it costs £30. They check suspension, lights, brakes, no major rust and thats that. Mine went straight through its last one.
Doug DeMuro
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:12 |
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This is really good info! I never knew about it — I appreciate the photos and the detail!!!
TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:15 |
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The brake test is to see how well the brakes can slow the roller down, but also, they test the balance of the brakes. If one caliper is gripping harder than the other, the car will move either left or right, depending on the imbalance.
Kat Callahan
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:15 |
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Best oppo articles are Japan oppo articles. Shaken fist bump.
jariten1781
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:16 |
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When I was over there one of my friends asked me to look over his car before he sent it off shaken because he was sick of paying thousands of dollars every couple years. Gave it a pretty thorough once over and everything was good...only thing I thought he might get dinged on were his brake lines which were a bit dinged up but not at all unsafe.
He gets it back and they've replaced a couple suspension components. I'm like...that's bullshit, I know those were fine.
He just goes 'shoganai'.
I hate that attitude.
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Flavien Vidal
> jariten1781
09/07/2014 at 09:21 |
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This is the one thing that terribly annoys me at time with Japanese haha... Well, that's how it is!
Wake-up nihon-jin damn it :)
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Flavien Vidal
> TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut
09/07/2014 at 09:21 |
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oh I see, did not think of that, thanks :)
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Flavien Vidal
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/07/2014 at 09:22 |
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Keep in mind this includes part of the licensing and part of the insurance too...
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Flavien Vidal
> BATC42
09/07/2014 at 09:22 |
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Keep in mind this includes part of the licensing and part of the insurance too...
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Flavien Vidal
> Kat Callahan
09/07/2014 at 09:22 |
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Thanks :)
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:24 |
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Still seems high when you have to purchase extra insurance for full coverage. That and my licencing tax is £30 a year here.
Luc - The Acadian Oppo
> Kat Callahan
09/07/2014 at 09:25 |
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You're damn right about that! and I've never been to Japan put it is still my favorite country in the world.
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Luc - The Acadian Oppo
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:27 |
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I didn't realize you were in Japan already it seems like you only sold the Vette a week ago?
Did you get a car yet in Japan or is that still a work in progress?
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Flavien Vidal
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/07/2014 at 09:27 |
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Considering the price of insurance in the UK, it's not that bad... In total it ends up costing about 1500$ a year, and that includes full coverage insurance and licensing for a normal car...
"Tabs" to pay every year in the US + insurance can easily go quite a bit over that. Not even talking about insuring anything else other than a Passat in the UK if you're not 50 year old with a perfect driving record ;)
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Flavien Vidal
> Luc - The Acadian Oppo
09/07/2014 at 09:31 |
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I won't be getting a car for the first three months here as I can use that Passo pretty much as I wish for now. Once that I'll move to my own place with my wife (in 3 months or so), I'll buy a car then... Still don't know what for now. It might be a cheap ass Miata or Cappuccino, it might be an E30 M3... Honestly no idea :)
The corvette got sold on August 18th and I left Canada on September 1st ;)
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:32 |
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I'm a first year driver in a car fairly similar to the one in your post and tax, fully comprehensive insurance and inspection came to $1240. That will drop considerably next year to below $1000. The UK isnt that bad for insurance once you're past your first year or two.
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Flavien Vidal
> Doug DeMuro
09/07/2014 at 09:32 |
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Glad you enjoyed it... I'll do articles about Japan as often as possible and might do some videos too...
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Flavien Vidal
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/07/2014 at 09:36 |
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Well, that car is pretty damn cheap and costs less than 1000$ in licensing + insurance(350$ a year for the shaken + 400$ a year for the insurance). A Kei-car will be even cheaper. A "proper" car will cost about 1500$. A "very nice" 30K$ car (NSX, R34 GTR...etc) will cost about 2000/2500$ a year if you are around 30 year old with a good driving record.
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 09:41 |
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That sounds fairly similar to how it is here in that case. Once you're past 30 with a good record here you can drive some pretty decent stuff. The big escalator is that tax costs hundreds on bigger cars not the £30 for mine.
Also once I pass 21 with a couple years of clean driving my car will only be around $500 to fully insure then the small amounts for tax and inspection. Young drivers do get completely ripped off here but for adults it's not so bad.
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Luc - The Acadian Oppo
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:01 |
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Cappucino for the win!
smrtypants44
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:09 |
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here in OK we have no annual inspection at all lol
claydos66
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:16 |
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it sounds like the testing done in Massachusetts except the cost is less, I believe.
Patrick Frawley
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:16 |
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Doesn't it get more involved and thorough every year, too? Seem to remember an article by Road & Track correspondent Jack Yamaguchi in which his NSX inspection after so many years basically involved dropping the engine and disassembling the suspension.
Safer that way, for sure, but yeah, the $21 once-over from the nice guys at the local Goodyear shop for the Passat is a bit more convenient.
Old-Busted-Hotness
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:17 |
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NOT a live axle. "Live" means driven. What you have is a "dead" solid axle.
Also, come to Ohio. We haven't had vehicle inspections of any kind (other than E-Check, which is only a Cleveland/Cincy thing (and maybe Toledo)) since 1983. Lots of old busted hoopties on the road here.
Maurice
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:20 |
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$700 seems a bit steep for a yearly inspection.
Yearly inspection is the Netherlands is just €20.
Hirsch
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:23 |
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Front wheel drive cars do not have a live rear axle.
everyonejustcalmdown
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:26 |
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This seems standard fair. Britain's and Germany's is way more elaborate. I guess if you're from some third world country or US State that doesnt do annual inspections it might seem crazy.
Owen138
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:36 |
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$2000 is for those who ask a main dealer to perform the shaken, or if there is a lot of work required on the car for it to pass.
I paid the equivalent of $650 for a shaken with no work required, but it's a case of knowing where to go, without being ripped off.
Craig88
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:36 |
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its just a slightly more extensive M.O.T like we have in the U.K no big deal. saves people driving round in crazy cars that shouldnt be on the road.
bobrayner
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:41 |
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Shaken has a reputation for being very demanding, but that's only by American standards. Checks like these are normal in most civilised countries. In the UK, the "MOT" test covers similar test points, it's annual, and the combination of a (relatively) efficient system, automated testing, high volumes &c mean that the test is cheap and quick despite being thorough. Similar system in Belgium and France.
In South Africa, standards are much lower - but a vehicle must have a "roadworthiness" check before you can register it in your name, which obviously means less frequent inspections because most people don't change their cars annually. Like all things in South Africa, if your paperwork isn't perfect, there's a bit of wiggle-room if you're a good talker. In the rest of Africa, standards are lower still...
fintail
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:43 |
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The German TÜV is fairly strict too. Where I live in WA, modern cars have an emissions test every 2 years (in developed areas), otherwise, nothing. Some interesting vehicles on the road.
BimmerMedic
> Old-Busted-Hotness
09/07/2014 at 10:46 |
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We have "inspections" in Louisiana, 15 bucks a year where I live, but if you live around Baton Rouge, it's 25 IIRC so they can do the emissions test (gas cap and OBD II codes) doesn't seem to keep the hoopties, donks, etc. off the road. Hell, even the Sheriff's Department internal shop got busted for falsifying stickers. Of course, if you live in the Democratic Peoples Republic of Orleans/Jefferson, then it's the "brake tag", which seems to be a lot more comprehensive.
http://www.nola.gov/brake-tags/ins…
97Spyder
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:51 |
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Delaware, USA: $80 every two years, for sticker AND emissions/lights/horn test. Any car with OBD II, they just plug into the port and check for emissions-related errors. No tailpipe sniffer.
thegregorius
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:51 |
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No, those wheels aren't illegal. Driving around with them as an idiot without any wheel arch extensions, however, is.
Bring Back Duckman!
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:51 |
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Wow. I'm definitely not an expert, but that law about minuscule bigger wheels sounds ridiculous. Half an inch is understandable, but about half that?! Are you sure you didn't get the Japanese version of the mechanic stereotype we have in the United States?
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Barbara C. Efird
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:53 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
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Cyrus
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 10:55 |
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It's not a live axle. "Live" means that there's power also going through that axle.
STREPITUS
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:06 |
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Thats not a live rear axle, but a twist-beam suspension.
Tim Burton
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:06 |
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not really that different to the British 'MOT', although that's about $80-90 then we pay our road tax separately, $800 a year in my case.
eurojulien
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:08 |
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Meh,
Pretty common place inspection by european standards. In Belgium the cars drives over steel metal plates that tug the wheels apart and front and back with someone underneath looking at the bushings. The car also goes on this weird matt that shakes it and tests the shocks/struts.
No mods are allowed at all on any level without documentation from the manufacture (used mod parts rarely come with this) and a notarized installation slip from an approved shop that specifically mentions they installed this part on this VIN car and it's appropriate for the vehicle (which they typically won't do if you didn't buy the parts through them). Lowered cars require a special inspection process similar to salvage vehicles. Once a mod is installed on a car successfully (administratively) it is mentioned on the title.
I've heard they are bonded employees to pretty much eliminate cars passing with $$$ on the side. France and Italy have much more leeway :)
Passing my motor-swapped (m50b25) e30 320i touring through belgian inspection was about the most stressful moment in my automotive enthusiast life. Only reason it passed is because they probably forgot what an m20b20 looked like and we used all OEM parts :)
My slammed 324td wagon, on the other hand, passed inspection in the Bouches-du-Rhône without a sweat.
Wolc *grammar nazis go f*** yourselves*
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:09 |
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In Estonia for a car over 10y its annual. Don't remember the cost at the moment but otherways it goes down pretty much the same. Except they don't take off our wheels and don't lift the car up.
dogisbadob
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:14 |
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cool uniforms
TheRallyStache
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:17 |
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Yeah, I live in MI. We don't have safety inspections or emissions inspections.
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dogisbadob
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:22 |
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Were you shaken up by the process?
Most aftermarket wheels are low quality Chinese shit. The only aftermarket rims worth buying cost a lot more than OE wheels, like a $3000 set of Rays/Volks. Can any of those non-expensive aftermarket rims pass JWL testing?
Mickeyjoe-ManWithVan
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:22 |
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Interesting. I'd always believed that the Shaken was almost impossible to pass, and that it was easier to buy a new car than get an older vehicle through the test. But it doesn't sound much different from the NCT. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_…
There used to be a big business in used Japanese cars bought at auction and imported to Ireland. And I understood that it made economic sense because the cars were almost worthless in Japan as they wouldn't pass the Shaken. But maybe it was more that no-one in Japan was interested in those cars because of their age.
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Ayerea
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:23 |
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Reading this makes me appreciate living in the US so much more. Worst I have to do is emissions testing where I live, which is relatively easy to pass (and get around if necessary). This sorta stuff is yet another reason why Japan is about the last place on earth I would chose to live in.
deleted
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:24 |
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Aside from the weird pricing scheme , the tests seems about the same in Belgium and germany(two I know) maybe also in other countries
Fl1ngstam
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:24 |
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I managed to avoid this pain during my stay in Japan by buying a car which had just passed Shaken, driving it for almost 2 years, then exporting it before the shaken expired. Worked for me, although I did have to pay for the shipping to the UK and the modifications and testing required to make it road legal over here. Maybe I wasn't so smart after all...
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bobrayner
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:29 |
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How is that a live rear axle? It's not even an axle. Am I missing a subtle joke here? There's no shaft transferring power to that wheel, and even if there was one, it wouldn't be carrying the weight of the car.
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San Baban
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:31 |
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In the Kurdistan region of Iraq, the test is $20. all they do is check the lights, under body and the brakes. no emission tests are done at ALL because of the bad quality of the fuel we have.
Reborn Pyrrhic
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:36 |
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Very similar to the inspection the US Army mandates on our vehicles here in Germany, only they don't check emissions on our cars. Also ours is free, but doesn't include insurance.
the_seamonkey
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:40 |
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ah.. Minnesota.. a state without emission tests on vehicles, we had them up until 1999.
http://www.dmv.org/mn-minnesota/s…
Michael Zaite
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:42 |
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Judging by your fixation on the wheels I can assume you've never seen an accident like this:
http://forums.24hoursoflemons.com/viewtopic.php?…
JayHova
> fintail
09/07/2014 at 11:43 |
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Yep, seems to be pretty similar to TÜV & AU (Abgasuntersuchung->Emissions test).
Also_Ran
> Mickeyjoe-ManWithVan
09/07/2014 at 11:46 |
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I'd heard pretty much the same thing, with the same reasoning for cars being exported from Japan and coming over (I'm in Britain). I'd not heard "near impossible" as such, but certainly difficult and expensive to the point of not being economically viable, with things such as seat belts required to be replaced, even if not used or no sign of wear. This reads more like a combined MOT test and light service, though perhaps the limits are more strict. I didn't know it included any tax/licensing costs before now. I like that idea.
Tohru
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:46 |
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Here in Wisconsin we don't even have vehicle inspections.
King Of Hwy 16
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 11:48 |
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No thanks, I like how we do it in Louisiana.
Ask for insurance card, check the brakes, check the lights, check for codes (on OBDII systems anyway), check the gas cap, and a visual inspection (which basically amounts to glancing under the hood to be sure there isn't a carb'd big block in a vehicle that has no business being powered by a carb'd big block). $18 later you have a fresh windshield sticker and you're back on the road.
metroidzer0
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:06 |
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meh, come to Oklahoma, we ditched annual inspections long ago. Hooray for no more gunked up windshield corners.
JCAlan
> Old-Busted-Hotness
09/07/2014 at 12:13 |
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Ya there has to be a happy medium between this type of scrutiny and none at all. There are crazy unsafe cars on the road in Ohio. Literally as long as you pay the 35 bucks a year to register it, you can drive it.
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JCAlan
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:17 |
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Question: Is this an actual state owned inspection/repair center, or do privately owned shops perform this service? Of the states here that do inspections, I think the fact that Bob's Garage has the power to blackmail you for your registration has been a weak link.
webmonkees
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:21 |
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In contrast: Tennessee.
$2/month to keep a current tag on the 86 Subaru hatch in the corner.
Bought it in another state here in the US, towed it home, paid the title fee, and they handed me a tag.
Brake lights is about the only active safety inspection they enforce, and that's if they notice it on the road. Tire wear if you're stopped, perhaps.
Got it running good enough to determine the brake line was corroded.
I then learned brake line repair.
Don't worry, it'll have to pass MY safety inspection before it goes on the highway again.
Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> King Of Hwy 16
09/07/2014 at 12:22 |
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Is that strictly the inspection, or does that include registration? If the former, Washington State has you beat - $15 for an emissions test every other year; if your car is 25+ years old, no need. Even then, the emissions check is only required per EPA rules in certain counties (King, Pierce, Snohomish, probably a few others) based on population density.
No safety inspections at all, stupidly.
DonKeybals
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:24 |
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I think the reasoning for the stringent rules on wheels is this: Japan is a very collective society, and therefore, they do everything by the book, with no room for exceptions. If they let you do it, they woululd have to let other people, with much wider wheels, do it as well, and that would create chaos. Another reason is safety. You have tons of people on mopeds and bicycles, and the streets and alleyways are tiny, and very packed. Every mm of space counts sometimes. Absurd, but it's true.
Cost is relative, and we already know Japan is expensive to live. You can't avoid spending close to $18 on a very simple, grab and go meal for lunch.
junglejim
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:29 |
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I don't want to be *that guy*, but if that $700 takes care of all of the paperwork for two years of driving, that's not too bad.
In the UK we have an annual test that is very similar (called the MOT test). That's £45 and you cannot drive your car without one.
You then need to pay Vehicle Exise Duty (colloquially called road tax) which starts at free if your car emits less than 100g/km of CO2 and rises to £500 if it emits more than 255g/km (if it was made pre-2006, that's capped at £260). We don't get the Passo here, but it looks like a Daihatsu Sirion, so let's claim it's one of those. VED would cost you £130 a year.
Finally you need at least third party fire and theft insurance. That can be pretty cheap if you've got a clean license and haven't claimed. Let's call that £200 a year, but it could be a lot more (my first year of insurance on a 3-year old Ford Fiesta was £1500).
Adding all that up, getting the right paper work for your 1.3 litre economy car in the UK would cost you in the region of £750, which is about $1225. My first year of car ownership cost me $2700 and that did not cover repairs on any damage to my car.
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King Of Hwy 16
> Dead_Elvis, Inc.
09/07/2014 at 12:41 |
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Registration is a separate 4-year sticker that goes on the license plate. My inspection would be every two years except I live in one of the parishes (or as you could call them, counties) that bothers to test emissions and must be done every year.
I don't mind though. Down here we don't have to worry about road salt, summer/winter tires, or stashing our good cars away for half the year. There is the heat though, you do have to contend with that.
mpiersd
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:41 |
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That is not a live rear axle, that is a trailing beam axle. Same as on j-body Chevy Cavaliers.
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4606
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:45 |
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The Mustang has a live rear axle, the Passo has a beam axle which does not transmit power AKA a dead axle.
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4606
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:45 |
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The Mustang has a live rear axle, the Passo has a beam axle which does not transmit power AKA a dead axle.
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buckditkus
> JCAlan
09/07/2014 at 12:47 |
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A big feature of the US system is regulate lightly to save costs, backed up by a robust civil justice system to sort out the bad stuff.
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Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> King Of Hwy 16
09/07/2014 at 12:47 |
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I can't take the heat/humidity. (Or the brain-eating amoebas in the drinking water .) I'd also probably eat myself to death in the first year if I lived in Louisiana.
Stökeometric
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 12:59 |
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When in Japan, I prefer my martinis "shaken" not stirred.
Primoz
> Old-Busted-Hotness
09/07/2014 at 13:01 |
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This is not a solid axle, it's a torsion beam suspension setup, where the cross member acts like a anti-roll bar to the trailing arms on each side.
EDIT: but yeah, not a live rear axle by any measure.
davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/07/2014 at 13:03 |
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They check a lot more than that. Not sure it's still up to date, but the test manual is here:
http://www.motuk.co.uk/default.asp
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davedave1111
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:04 |
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Ah yes, the shaken, Japan's equivalent of the chicken tax. It's designed to help Japanese car makers by pushing older cars off the road much sooner. They then all get sold and exported. Asia, the Caribbean, and so-on love the system, but I'm continually surprised the Japanese consumers put up with it.
justregisteralready
> webmonkees
09/07/2014 at 13:14 |
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Yup, I was going to say something about Tennessee as well. Some counties will check the emissions, but that is about it. Most counties don't check anything, or even if you have insurance. Nothing. Bring a title or registration, hand it to the clerk, along with about $60, bam, you got tags. It's awesome.
Buckus
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:18 |
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Auto inspection is like sixty bucks in AZ... and for newer cars all they do is a visual inspection to make sure nothing of importance is broken, then plug into your ODBII connection and scan for codes. No codes? You're golden. Takes like five minutes. It's kind of a rip-off if you ask me, but new cars get a five-year waiver, so there's that.
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OmniGLH
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:23 |
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While I 100% agree this is probably a huge PITA for folks that otherwise truly take care of their cars... the amount of things I've seen hanging around at shops owned by 2 separate friends of mine WISH we had these inspections here in the US. Some of the things people drive here is downright SCARY. Tie rods falling off, wasted ball joints, wasted shocks, broken springs... "How much to fix that? Oh... never mind. Just put it back on the ground, I'll just pay the diagnostic and be on my way..."
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amanda_yurf
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:25 |
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!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
09/07/2014 at 13:25 |
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The guy who we get to MOT our cars doesnt haha.
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King Of Hwy 16
> Dead_Elvis, Inc.
09/07/2014 at 13:26 |
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Heat/humidity isn't terrible if you manage it. Moderate your time in direct sunlight, dress appropriately, and have a good A/C system in your house and vehicles. I will say, there are a few reasons we have the five happiest cities in the country, and good food is one of them.
As far as the amoeba: that's a recent thing and so far just seems to be in that parish. As long as you don't get the water up your nose you'll be fine.
On the other hand, I'd lose it up north just on account of not being able to drive my ol' 5.0 around. Withdrawal symptoms would set in and I'd become a complete lunatic within the first few weeks. We get snow on very rare occasion and that's just enough for me to live with.
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slamnfreak
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:26 |
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We need more inspections in the US. Emissions is one thing, but functional lighting (including deeming headlights so fogged over you can't see, illegal), proper wipers, a horn, and mirrors should be required. Bald tires should be an automatic fail on an inspection, too.
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honi
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:29 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
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CombatMission
> jariten1781
09/07/2014 at 13:34 |
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Oh man...I had to adopt shoganai or I would have gone nuts over there. I still just say it quietly to myself when something doesnt go my way.
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Dead_Elvis, Inc.
> King Of Hwy 16
09/07/2014 at 13:39 |
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Yeah, I know the amoeba thing was pretty limited. But I really, really hate hot weather - anything over about 80 is too much for me unless it's dead dry. (Fuck Arizona and all that "but it's a dry heat" BS - doesn't matter when it's 105F.)
BMWJLRTECH
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:39 |
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We need mandatory safety inspections in the US. I have watched so many cars leave the shop with bald tires, no brakes, leaking fluids, broken seatbelts, and there's NOTHING I can legally do to stop them.
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Masterify
> bobrayner
09/07/2014 at 13:43 |
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Yes, this Japanese thing looked very unprofessional compared to a Finnish Shaken. Its done every year for cars older than 5 years by special workshops. Normal car service centers arent allowed to do it. The checks are very strict and force people to repair their cars.
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ThePinnacle
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:47 |
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That's not a live rear axle kemosabe.
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torrie
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 13:58 |
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Regarding the tires - in many countries (Japan, Australia, European nations) exposed rubber beyond the arches is illegal. One explanation I've heard is it reduces the chance of a glancing blow dragging someone under the tires.
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ThePinnacle
> webmonkees
09/07/2014 at 14:12 |
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This is exactly how it should be everywhere.
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lianne_ak9y
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 14:14 |
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!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!
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ThePinnacle
> JCAlan
09/07/2014 at 14:17 |
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Can you show me a single shred of evidence that there are actually are unsafe cars on the road in Ohio and that they have had any effect on the safety of anyone?
Without data you just have opinions. Safety inspections are a pure government racket sponsored by inspection station lobbies. Legalized theft.
If you can cite a single study where cancellation or creation of "safety" inspections has changed any measurable output parameter of road safety (accidents, fatalities, etc), I'd be happy to change my mind. Ball's in your court.
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PatriciaLCooper
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 14:21 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
———————————> www.jobspug.com
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SilentRacer911
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 14:32 |
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The New York State inspection is similar. We have to go through a full safety inspection and then emission test yearly. Of course if you know someone who has an inspection license, police don't normally go through a vehicle when pulled over as long as there is nothing really bad, like bald tires. Only difference is we don't have centralized insurance like you, the inspection is only $21. Im 24 and my insurance is $150/month for a supercharged Grand Prix. Is it true you have to replace an engine if it has more than 100k on it, because we always seem to have JDM engines with around 60,000 miles which is right around 100,000 km.
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webmonkees
> ThePinnacle
09/07/2014 at 14:34 |
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I dunno, maybe a rewards inspection. Pass safety and get a decal that permits +5 city +10 highway on all infractions. People do that speed anyway, it's just an incentive for them to keep up on maintenance.
"Sir, you were going 62 in a 55. This will not go on your record. We are done. Drive safely."
Nadz
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 14:40 |
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Sorry friend, a Mustang has a live rear, while that Toyota has a beam rear. One is driven, the other is just a metal bar with no shafts. Shafts. Shafts. I like that word.
J-Tenno
> Flavien Vidal
09/07/2014 at 15:07 |
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67000 yens is actually closer to $600 than $700.
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davedave1111
> Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
09/07/2014 at 15:17 |
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Hahahaha... (Which garage is that?)
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Twingo Tamer - About to descend into project car hell.
> davedave1111
09/07/2014 at 15:21 |
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Some tiny independent garage near my house. They started as a car wash then bought a lift and hired mechanic so now they do cheap MOTs and services. I would never get work done there (I do my own anyway) but it's hard to turn down an automatic MOT pass...