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"Denver Is Stuck In The 90s" (denver80222)
08/29/2014 at 23:45 • Filed to: Dumb

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Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:49

You don't have to change it in only 3k long, but you can if you want, and race it.

CB > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:50

Hm. Apparently Jeff Danzinger is a political cartoonist.

Also, I love the lack of in-text citations.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:52

yes, it is a scam

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
08/29/2014 at 23:56

Ok maybe, But they also said in the article that you could go 15,000 miles without an oil change. SOOOOO not true

Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again. > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:56

how is it wrong? Lots of people are finding that their oil has plenty of life when they get it analyzed, at least on fiesta forums. I'm going to follow my manufacturers recommendations with my new car, 8000km.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Sir_Stig: and toxic masculinity ruins the party again.
08/29/2014 at 23:58

They also said in the article that you could maybe go 15,000 miles without an oil change, not possible

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:58

I especially wouldn't do it in a BMW.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/29/2014 at 23:59

Maybe a 5 series GT. Those things need to die, whatever they are

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/29/2014 at 23:59

We usually do it around 5-6k or every 6 months. My dad does it like 3 times a year while my grand father does it every 5k.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/30/2014 at 00:00

Thats what we do, but still not 15,000.

Santiago of Escuderia Boricua > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:01

You might be able to do it with good oil in a car that has a large oil capacity

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Santiago of Escuderia Boricua
08/30/2014 at 00:01

it would be a stretch but maybe

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:04

Yeah, I think anything above is 6k stretching it. I don't care what is recommended. 6k is far enough. Also if you added some you might be able to hit 15k, but not on one single change.

pedal-force > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:19

They're not wrong though. BMW does say 15k is fine. And 3k is completely useless these days, especially with full synthetic and a good filter. My car, with direct injection, high turbo pressures, and lots of gasoline blow by, has recommendations of 7500, but I do 5k, which is probably overkill, but it's also boosted above stock.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > pedal-force
08/30/2014 at 00:23

Ok, I agree that 3 is too low, but there is a limit and your car's health is more important than your wallet's sometimes

pedal-force > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:24

It is though. Here's edmunds if you don't believe me.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-care/stop-…

10k is a common interval these days. Even a boosted high strung engine like the MZR DISI is 7500 miles. Jaguar recommends 15k on all their cars. I think they probably know what they're talking about more than you do.

pedal-force > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:27

Yeah, and that limit, right now, is around 15k, and that's the manufacturers (Jaguar, BMW until recently) saying that. BMW cars will still often go 15k before the light comes on, but people freaked out (like you) at the 15k number, so they're saying like 12k or something now. The computer monitors how hard it's being driven and determines when the oil needs changing.

tromoly > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 00:34

I change mine every 3-4k right now because I'm not positive if I have blow-by contaminating the oil, after every change my engine seems to run a little better so I'm not overly concerned about it.

That said, I did use Mobil One High Mileage on my last change, so I'll probably creep it up to atleast 5k, if not 7k and see what happens.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/30/2014 at 01:07

What do you have your basis for saying BMWs shouldn't be getting over 3,000 mile OCIs?

Please pick your answer dutifully. Notice how I used the term "OCI", which means Oil Change Interval, which in turn means I know a thing or two about oil longevity

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
08/30/2014 at 01:12

I meant I wouldn't push a Bimmer to 15,000. I wouldn't put any car to 15,000. At most 7k.

HammerheadFistpunch > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s
08/30/2014 at 01:19

This is my favorite bit

"To illustrate, some 10 million California drivers change the oil in their cars every 3,000 miles. That amounts to 114 million gallons of oil per year, or enough to fill 173 Olympic-sized swimming pools, a recent study by CalRecycle found.

A spokesman for the organization, Jeff Danzinger, said drivers could save as much as 10 million gallons of oil per year if they'd just change their oil according to the manufacturer's recommendation.

"If you're changing your oil too soon, you're needlessly creating waste oil and putting a strain on the system and supply," he told TruCar.com."

Um...you can't just throw out oil. I don't even know what you would do with oil other than have it recycled. They make it sound like we are just going around filling up pools with old oil and shrugging our shoulders.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/30/2014 at 01:31

You didn't answer my question though.

What are you basing your assertion on? Why at most 7k on BMWs? What's your reasoning?

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
08/30/2014 at 01:34

Because that's what I would do at the most for any car. We usually do it 5-6k or every 6 months. That's what my reasoning is.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/30/2014 at 01:46

That's not an answer... you aren't saying WHY you'd do only 5-6k. You just say you'd do it because that's what you would do.

Anyway, since you aren't giving me any concrete data to go on save for simply saying it's bad to go past a 5-6k mile OCI, here are 2 instances on my current E38 7series with oil run at 12.5k miles, and 9.5k miles

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthre…

Here, you can clearly see that the oil, after analysis, shows no concerns from that long of an interval. Look at the one with a 12.5k mile OCI. My oil's TBN was 2.3 (under 1.0 means it's time to replace the oil) and still had plenty of margin to go further in practice

I also have data from my 95 M3, my old 97 M3, my old 98 740i. Those are all BMWs and I've never run an oil less than 7k miles in any of them. I've analyzed every sample and in every sample, there was no cause for concern.

I'm curious what you're gonna say when presented with this hard data. Feel free to take it apart, and find a hole in my logic.

Also, for the record, I do my own work on my cars. I've replaced valve cover gaskets and I've been able to observe wear patterns on my cams, cranks, and various other moving parts on cars that are over 10 years old, and running long OCIs that you deem to be bad because they're over 5-6k miles

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
08/30/2014 at 01:49

I'm not saying they're bad. I don't see why it's honestly such a big deal at what point I change the oil in a car. Also I never questioned whether or not you worked on your own cars or not. You can change your oil at what ever interval you choose your engine. Who am I to say when you change your oil. Yes we could go longer than 6,000 but it's just when we do it.

SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman > norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback
08/30/2014 at 01:51

Kinja'd!!!

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > HammerheadFistpunch
08/30/2014 at 02:02

Burn it if you like having large fires or have an oil burning stove/furnace.

norskracer98-ExploringTheOutback > SnapUndersteer, Italian Spiderman
08/30/2014 at 02:03

I appreciate this lovely conversation that really didn't effect me. Thanks for being pleasant,.