Underrated engines?

"YSI-what can brown do for you" (ysi-what-can-brown-do-for-you) 08/09/2014 at 01:10 • Filed to: None

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Lets start making a list!

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:17

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Mopar slant 6, ya they werent that powerful compared to other mopar engines of the time, but there was absoutely nothing wrong with them

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:18

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M10 in the original E30 318i

4x4AZ > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:19

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I've always liked the sound of the 2.5 V6 in the Contour SVT. Decent torque as well.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/09/2014 at 01:19

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Were they built proof? Cause I have heard the AMC straight 6 is pretty durable.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:21

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thats what I heard as well. The reason they are underated is because in the same time period, Mopar had 3 other engine options and the slant 6 was the bottom end model. There was too much variety, If that was the only engine offered, the only complaint would be that it wasnt a v8

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 01:22

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Compared to the inline 6 that was offered where do you think this has an advantage?

YSI-what can brown do for you > 4x4AZ 08/09/2014 at 01:24

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Mmmm, DOHC?

All Motor Is Best Motor > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:25

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The Yamaha V8 found in a few Volvo's and the Noble M600.

Can be made to sound like this:

Or the Noble M600 (best sounding supercar in production)

Apparently it's actually a 60 degree V8.

YSI-what can brown do for you > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/09/2014 at 01:26

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That sounds nasty. I need to know more!

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:28

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Because you said underrated! Everyone knows the bigger inline sixes were good.

But these unsung little 4 bangers had a very specific reason why they shouldn't be overlooked. They are closely related to a legendary engine (hint - think racing). I think you can make certain mods to the road going engine for big fun.

This is exciting. I always learn everything from you. Could this be the first time you learn about a cool engine from me?

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:29

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The Triumph Stag's 3.0L V8. It gets a huge amount of stick for being unreliable, in fact some claim it's the most unreliable V8 ever built. The reliability is a debatable issue, whether or not it was down to poor design or poor build quality. What you can't deny though, is that it definitely sounds meaty, just like a V8 should.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 01:31

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Might be the first, but hopefully not the last!

How closely related was it to the more expensive S14? Cause if it is just a head and some pistons away, that is a fanastic little thing!

4x4AZ > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:33

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Yup, 24v too.

All Motor Is Best Motor > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:34

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I don't know a whole lot about the engine other than it was developed by Yamaha for Volvo (I don't believe it's been in anything other than a few Volvo's and the Noble M600). It's unique as a 60 degree V8 (somehow the geniuses at Yamaha made that work). Yamaha always seems to make great car engines when they're put to the task. The version in the Noble M600 makes about 650 HP via the use of twin turbos. Here's the wiki article on the engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volvo_B84…

I have a playlist of videos of the Noble M600 which you can find here:

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=…

In the video by Marchettino it really sounds like a hot rod.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/09/2014 at 01:34

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Apparently I can't spell bullet* but I think you got the idea!

So basically it may have been the bottom option, but it wasn't a bad option in the slightest!

YSI-what can brown do for you > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 08/09/2014 at 01:35

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I have heard somethings about this V8. Most of them are not so great. I wonder why it has such a bad reputation though. . . what bad idea led to the problems this engine had?

claramag, Mustaco Master > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:35

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Ford 3.8 Essex v6 :D!!1!!!!

I'M KIDDING I'M KIDDING!

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:35

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Mazda KLZE. They are really quick, despite the north American version, the KLDE "only" producing 160 HP. I'd post a video, but I'm on my phone right now.

YSI-what can brown do for you > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/09/2014 at 01:37

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Wow that is a very light engine! 4.4 L and it weighs 420lbs! Nearly as light as a 1UZ! I wonder how it holds up for racing, they said it will be used in V8 Supercar, so some possible racing pedigree underneath the hood?

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:40

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Hopefully!

Apparently the S14 was based on the M10 block, but it had the head from the M88 big six (with two cylinders chopped off).

But if that wasn't cool enough apparently the F1 M12 1.5L turbo engine was based off the standard M10 block as well!

This badass little engine block was designed in the late 50s by a race driver and engineer. He created a 1.3L engine that could be expanded to 2L. It was such a good block that it was used for decades and turbo charged to create insane amounts of power in F1

YSI-what can brown do for you > 4x4AZ 08/09/2014 at 01:41

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Already sounds like a better engine than the Essex V6 in my friends Thunderbird. . . god that thing is terrible.

YSI-what can brown do for you > claramag, Mustaco Master 08/09/2014 at 01:42

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My friends car has one. It is terrible, it doesn't have power, it isn't smooth, and it sounds terrible, plus it hates to rev. It is just the worst at everything.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:43

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or the slantest huehuehue

All Motor Is Best Motor > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:43

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I haven't heard of it being used for racing other than supposedly in this year's V8 supercars (which I'm sure you also just read).

Apparently it IS being used: http://performancedrive.com.au/volvo-s60-v8-s…

It really sounds nothing like the Noble or street Volvo unit though. Here's another video of the Volvo V8 Supercar:

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 01:49

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This sounds WAY underrated. Sounds like a badass engine to me! It has done more racing than probably any Ferrari V12 will nowadays. Really question why more people aren't using it more often.

The M12 was a straight up monster. They were using it for nearly 1500hp qualifying sessions, that is nearly 1000hp per liter, that is nearly on the level of top level drag cars(around 8 to 10k horespower but they have 500ci to work with. . . I think).

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:51

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Yeah I still have NO idea why this block could be boosted so high! I guess it was a mix of good engineering and some luck.

I still can't believe how crazy this era of F1 was. 1500HP qualifying sessions out of 1.5L engines would still be impressive today. Can you imagine how many minds were blown back then?

YSI-what can brown do for you > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/09/2014 at 01:54

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That's sounds different. I wonder why it sounds that way, must be the bank angle that causes it to sound different.

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 01:58

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Yup. And just like drag engines, they were consumable. The qualifying spec was known as "grenade spec" and was rated at 1500hp for 3 minutes. Go out, do a warm up lap, do a hot lap, do a cool down lap, come in and replace the engine. And we think F1 is expensive nowadays...

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 02:00

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My mind is blown right now. Too bad it wasn't as competitive as it could have been. I remember the Benetton it was in(B186 I think) didn't do amazing. It won a race, but it never won a championship!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 08/09/2014 at 02:01

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Oh yeah, same with the tires, and gearbox. All were meant for that perfect lap!

 V8 Rustler > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:03

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That best describes that pos engine. 4.5k redline? What is it, a diesel? The only good thing about that engine is torque, and it's been pretty reliable to me.

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:03

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Only because of corruption! Bribery and scandal!

Well maybe not really, but fun to say that

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:06

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Insufficient cooling was the issue - the engine could overheat, which it did all the time and when that happened, the cylinder head warped. People have wondered why Triumph went to the expense of developing their own V8 rather than use Rover's brilliant Buick derived V8, as was the supposed British Leyland nature of "sharing is caring" (obviously with hindsight we know that BL never worked properly). This meant that BL's supposed GT car wouldn't even make it to PARIS after some spirited driving, let alone the south of France.

However, several owners have claimed that their Stags run fine to this day with the original V8. In fact, some recent research by someone (the name will come to me again) has shown that there was in fact no glaring fault with the TV8's design, at least not with the cooling. The problem appeared to be with build quality instead, which was a trademark issue within British Leyland.

YSI-what can brown do for you >  V8 Rustler 08/09/2014 at 02:07

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I must say nothing has broken on the engine either, I mean everything else in the car doesn't work, but at least the engine seems fine. Besides some ECU problems. . .

YSI-what can brown do for you > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 08/09/2014 at 02:16

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They could have did what Jaguar did. They made the engine bay too narrow to fit the Rover V8(in their sedan at least), so that way Jaguar could use their V12 as the top of the line engine. Clever, but what was the point? The Rover V8 is such a good engine that there was no reason for it be replaced by the V12. That whole company was just a cluster of problems.

So the cooling issues weren't within the engine but probably a radiator or rerouting the hoses and stuff? Sounds pretty good to me! But still Rover V8. . .

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 02:17

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Must have been Obama's fault.

claramag, Mustaco Master > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:17

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As someone who DDs a beater v6 mustang...meeeeehhh. Intake, even flow exhaust and minor fuel upgrades make it a *bit* happier to hit it's 5.8k redline, and low 200's torque means yaaaay amateur drift. But no. It's a POS 12 valve single cammer v6. But it will not. freaking. die. I ran her hard when short 3 quarts of oil once. Little bit of valve tap, filled her back up and problem gone. 170xxx miles minimal repairs. She's shit, but god damn if she don't die.

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:19

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A young Obama was smokin dubs with Bernie in the 80s!

Idea! We should put our minds together and figure out how we can each marry one of Bernie's daughters

They're both hot and we'll run F1 when they inherit it!

YSI-what can brown do for you > claramag, Mustaco Master 08/09/2014 at 02:19

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Yeah my friend has done the same thing. It hasn't been through good times. A sandstorm(when it was in Cali still) and 4 years of teenage driving(what is a cold start?) and much more, yet it still runs. No problem.

YSI-what can brown do for you > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/09/2014 at 02:21

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Sir, please let me show you the door. . .

Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 02:25

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Great article about the F1 engines here

YSI-what can brown do for you > Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy 08/09/2014 at 02:28

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Why is the North American version have a D and the good one has a Z?

Manuél Ferrari > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 08/09/2014 at 02:28

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Sweet! Checking out now

Manuél Ferrari > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 08/09/2014 at 02:29

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But I wonder what's more expensive - replacing these engines after 3 minutes or the R&D for the modern F1 engines!

YSI-what can brown do for you > Manuél Ferrari 08/09/2014 at 02:33

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0/10 not a big fan of his daughters. . .then again, maybe I must make a sacrifice for the rest of the world!

Manuél Ferrari > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:37

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Exactly! And think of it like olden times. If you're not a fan then that's OK. You can just pretend to love your wife in public while you reap the rewards of your political power in private!

As long as your wife bears you a son that's all that matters. Royalty will be in place and you can have as many bastard children as you want with girls you like better.

(OK I've been watching too many reruns of Rome, The Tudors, GoT, etc)

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:38

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Jaguar's engineers were scandalised about having to put a Rover V8 in their luxury saloon - "A V8? From Rover?! You must be having a laugh, that is a most plebeian form of internal combustion!" Also, the V12 was necessary because of the other V12 competition - BMW had the 750, Mercedes the S600.

Ultimately, the TV8 was more high maintenance than the Rover V8, but it really shouldn't have gotten such a poor reputation. Blame British Leyland. It usually works.

Manuél Ferrari > Distraxi's idea of perfection is a Jagroen 08/09/2014 at 02:39

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That was truly epic!

I wonder if this is true:

"and if you believe the reports from Bavarian engineers at the time, some of these blocks were apparently being pulled straight out of road cars with over 100,000 kays on the clock"

You should create a post to share this with everyone. One of the coolest pieces of motorsports history I've ever read!

My first car was an E30 318i so I'm partial to the little bugger of an engine. It may not have been fast but it was crazy reliable! I flogged the piss out of it at every green light and it refused to die, and the car had been handed down to me by my dad with a ton of miles on it.

claramag, Mustaco Master > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 02:41

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Can't say anything about a sandstorm, but it was a cali car for it's first decade so maybe it's a regional thing. Maybe CARB really is beneficial. [/sarcasm]

Whatever, long as i get past 200xxx I don't care

Ark > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 08/09/2014 at 02:47

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Leaning tower of power!

I was going to post basically the same thing, only for the 318.

YSI-what can brown do for you > claramag, Mustaco Master 08/09/2014 at 02:53

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It wasn't driven in California it just sat there, his Grandma bought it but never drove it, so then he got it a few years later, with all the problems as well!

YSI-what can brown do for you > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 08/09/2014 at 03:00

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I would have been fine with the V8! But that is just me, people seem to make a big deal about nothing. Imagine a Ferrari with a Chevy V8. That would be bad ass! But everyone would die.

I like British Leyland though, they make me smile at their terribleness!

Zipppy, Mazdurp builder, Probeski owner and former ricerboy > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 07:37

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It's just the code for the Japanese engine that puts out 200 HP. It's also a common swap for the Ford probe, Mazda mx3, Mx6, 323, and 626.

Jake - Has Bad Luck So You Don't Have To > YSI-what can brown do for you 08/09/2014 at 17:17

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1. The Vortec V6 from my sister's 1999 Silverado. Not a powerhouse, but dear god it makes an orgasmic noise if you rev it up in neutral.

2. Buick 3800 Series II. Bulletproof and infinitely moddable. Friend of mine is running 500hp from one, and over 900hp from another. Also get good gas mileage (stock)