What is Oppo's opinion of....

"All Motor Is Best Motor" (acidicheartburn) 08/05/2014 at 22:59 • Filed to: CoC

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doing double the speed limit (55) on a sparsely driven rural road with no children or traffic? Condemn or condone?

Here's a line of F1's for yall to sniff for your time:

Crocket Bernet > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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I'd be lying if I said I've never done it.

Decay buys too many beaters > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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comdemn, but I do it too.

Nibby > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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I wouldn't do it.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Nibby 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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It's already been done.

Manuél Ferrari > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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we talking this rural?

Flavien Vidal > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:01

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No traffic, nobody, no problem. The Isle of Mann does very well with this kind of rule, and the rest of the world is not made with stupider people for some unknown reasons. Speed limits in secluded rural areas are stupid.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:02

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It'll put you in jail.

Especially if you're in Virginia...

But, it's stupid as fuck to double the speed limit.

TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:02

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Condom.

Wait what?

((I wouldn't do it))

Forgetful > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:02

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Never know who's out for a jog, riding their bike or horse or who might be pulled over on a narrow shoulder around a blind bend.

If there's a road someone other than you is probably also using it.

Trunk Impaired 318 > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:03

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Only double?

All Motor Is Best Motor > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:03

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Is "stupid as fuck" referring to speeding or jailtime for speeding? Both?

AM3R > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:03

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If it's rural and empty I condone. Don't go past your limits and you'll be fine.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Manuél Ferrari 08/05/2014 at 23:04

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I uhh, don't get the reference. I'm talking two lane (with shoulders) back country straights among lots and lots of farmland.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:04

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Doing 110 on a public road. Want to drive that fast? Go to the unrestricted Autobahn or go to a track.

GhostZ > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:04

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Why stop at double?

But seriously, I've driven on roads where there were no cars for >25 miles in either direction, so flat that you can see the curve of the earth. If I wreck, the only one getting hurt is me. It would be more likely that I would run myself off the road than anyone would "pull out in front of me" and it would be my fault for going too fast to react. Especially since, in this situation, if someone is waiting on the side of the road to pull out, I can see them minutes before I actually cross their path.

Biased Plies > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:04

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For the odd thrill I'm not gonna cuss you out for it. Don't make a habit of it and be safe.

/obligatory 'take it to a track' if you need more than the odd thrill.

lone_liberal > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:04

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It really depends on the road. If it's flat, open and visibility allows you to see far enough ahead for that speed then I can't really condemn it. Also, I've done 125 on the interstate.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Trunk Impaired 318 08/05/2014 at 23:05

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Heh, she was still pulling nice and hard, but there was a hump in the road I didn't want to risk losing traction going over.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Forgetful 08/05/2014 at 23:06

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Keep in mind these are long straights with complete view of everything ahead, behind, and to the sides of you. Driving recklessly with pedestrians, cyclists, animals, or other cars around is a huge no no.

Nibby > TwinCharged - Is Now UK Opponaut 08/05/2014 at 23:07

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All Motor Is Best Motor > lone_liberal 08/05/2014 at 23:07

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I did ~117 on the interstate before a gut feeling told me to let off and slow down. A cop came zooming past me 15 seconds after I slowed to legal speeds.

MountainCommand > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:08

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Its a calculated risk... I wouldn't do it with anyone else in the car. But youre posting this to oppo, youre gonna get some hypocritical answers haha.

All Motor Is Best Motor > MountainCommand 08/05/2014 at 23:09

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Personally I'm OK with it as long as you can see what's ahead, behind, and around you, and you are positive you are alone on the road. Obviously, nobody should overstep their abilities either.

GhostZ > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:09

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People would do 100+ on highways where I was from, because the nearest track was more than 200 miles away, and it was a drag strip where they wouldn't have been able to even reach those speeds because of how short it was.

It's a complicated scenario, but every time you have to enforce "Go to the autobahn or go to the track" you have to say "The only people who get to drive fast are those who are rich, otherwise, give up on what makes you happy or you should go to jail."

Most of the people who do this, that I know, do it because to be able to go to the Autobahn or to a track, would require them to work and save up for months or years for ~10-15 minutes of freedom, and it wouldn't really be that much safer.

lone_liberal > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:11

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I had a radar detector but I eventually caught up to some traffic and had to back off and I was coming up on a notorious place for troopers anyway. My mom was in the car and didn't say a word so it couldn't have been too unsafe.

MountainCommand > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:12

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Yeah, see you are calculating the risk. AS long as your can accept the fact you may crash, lose your car, have a mechanical failure, and do bodily damage to yourself, then who is gonna stop you. I mean, thats what racecar drivers accept too now that i think about it.

and the abilities part. How do we know when we reach our abilities. How else are we able to improve them? Is it okay for us to find our limits? Just some thinking to give you

All Motor Is Best Motor > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:12

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The Autobahn isn't exactly an option in America, and where I live the nearest track is a 5 hour drive.

All Motor Is Best Motor > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:14

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That's the thing. I never speed dangerously if there's even a slight chance someone could show up unexpectedly, be it a pedestrian, a car, or an animal. I think if you're all alone and you can see everything ahead of and around you, then where's the harm?

GhostZ > Forgetful 08/05/2014 at 23:14

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I'm not sure you've seen the roads that I think he's talking about.

If someone is out for a jog on these roads, they are insane and jogging for 40+ miles at a time, because there's no civilization within 40 miles of eachother. They can hear you coming way in advance and see you even earlier (we're talking minutes of time) and you could just as easily argue that jogging next to a highway like that is suicide.

There's no such thing as a 'blind bend' on these roads. They don't bend, and there's nothing to block the view.

This is what places like that look like, at the most curvey:

That is at the most curvey. You have a good 2 minutes of complete visibility in either direction at all times, and no side streets that are covered to be pulled in to.

Jordan and the Slowrunner, Boomer Intensifies > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:14

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Condemn, but don't brag about it when you do it. Pretty much anybody with their license and a car with the ability to do it have tried and are probably lying if they deny it.

GhostZ > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:16

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Also, for clarification, here's a picture of what these roads look like:

That is going through a town, where the speed limit would be 35, at its most populous. You can see cars for miles ahead and behind.

All Motor Is Best Motor > MountainCommand 08/05/2014 at 23:18

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My idea of overstepping your abilities is doing something that gives you that gut feeling of "hey this may or may not be a good idea". Like trying to take a corner faster than you normally know your car can handle. I always make sure I keep well below the bounds of what I know could possibly unbalance my car and send it veering off the road. For example: I'm not going to do 120 mph down a road that has any kind of bend in it, even a slight one because I've never driven a car at speed around a race track so I have no idea how my car is going to behave.

Trunk Impaired 318 > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:19

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so what you're saying is that you didn't want to be a pilot?

All Motor Is Best Motor > lone_liberal 08/05/2014 at 23:19

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Hah, you did 125 with your mom in the car? Bravo!

All Motor Is Best Motor > Trunk Impaired 318 08/05/2014 at 23:20

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The car wouldn't have jumped, but it could have seriously unloaded the tires of weight (and thus traction).

Clown Shoe Pilot > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:21

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depends. can you see far enough down the road to be capable of not hitting anything that might not respond well to being hit? are the road and your car in good condition?

no? you're an idiot.

yes? party on wayne. i hit *redacted* on my drive to work today, in my well maintained car, on a sparsely driven toll road with excellent visibility (and an 80mph speed limit).

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:21

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It is a lot safer on a track where the emergency crews aren't miles away. Say you go 110 on an empty road and hit a pot hole that you don't see or a deer or a farm animal jumps out in front of you. You are pretty much fucked. Do you wear safety gear while driving down the highway? Are there spotters on the side of the road looking out for your safety? Are you properly trained to drive at high speeds and know what to do in case of an emergency?

lone_liberal > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:22

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Ever spent a long weekend with your mom visiting relatives because nobody else wanted to drive her including your dad? Yeah, I wanted to get the fuck home. She's no fan of the boring part of our state either so it didn't bother her.

Jedidiah > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:22

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Depends on the road, I guess. I'll leave it up to your judgement.

If it's flat and straight with plenty of visibility, then they set the limit low for a speed trap. Just watch out and don't be stupid. Otherwise, I'd say condemn.

I used to drive fast on this cool backroad where the tree canopy grew over the road and became intertwined—like driving through a tunnel made of tree leaves. Unfortunately, all the dump trucks from a quarry drive down this road and it is a regular route for a cyclist club because of the shade. When a dump truck is approaching you in the other lane and you are coming up on a cyclist, your brakes get a thorough workout to say the least.

After a panic stop caused by your own recklessness, you loose the desire to drive fast anymore. That extra bit of speed is not worth crashing your car or injuring someone. You should be able to enjoy your car within the limits set by the law. You'll enventually get it out of your system when you have a close encounter or you'll likely suffer terrible consequences.

Clown Shoe Pilot > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:22

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I've driven that fast on a public road. To your point, I *WAS* on my way to a track.

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:23

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Make the drive to the track.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:25

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Pretty sure track driving would grenade my transmission (2001 era Honda AT).

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:27

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I Condemn it, but Id think about doing it then chicken out

Clown Shoe Pilot > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:27

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I've driven on a road like that. My brother and I were heading to a wedding and we'd been on this road for several minutes and sort of both noticed at the same time - this road is a) completely empty, b) ruler straight and dead flat, and c) we should really be doing 145.

So we did. For a minute or so. Then I slowed it down to a much more reasonable 100.

GhostZ > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:29

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That's the same as saying "Let's say you go on an empty road and your right side brakes fail, spinning you into a ditch and killing you?" yes, you could have prevented that by having better brakes, but you could have prevented a wreck from a pothole by being more aware of the road in front of you. But safety isn't the concern.

(And, funny enough, I do know guys who have harnesses and safety gear in their cars for this sort of stuff, but most people don't.)

Explaining the risks doesn't make it any more risky, people are willing to smoke cigarettes and do drugs knowing full well the risk but they do it anyway. Just because a track is more safe doesn't mean it is better because of the cost of that safety.

A good example: We invent a drug that gives you the same effects as heroin, but it has slightly better side effects and isn't as dangerous because of that. However, it costs 3x the street price of heroine (or more), you need specialized equipment to inject it, AND, you have to travel 3 hours and spend an entire day there in order for one dose. Moreoever, you're limited to one dose per week at maximum.

Do you really think people would just drop heroin for the new drug? The problem isn't that one is much safer, it's that it's not more safe than it is costly and difficult. It's because there is a need that isn't being fulfilled.

We need to find ways to make fun, fast driving accessible to more people at a lower cost. Safer cars, better roads, local events like autocross, are all ways we are trying to fill that need. But it's still not quite there, and until it is, people will still do this sort of stuff.

Gamecat235 > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:30

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Nope. Absotively posalutely condemn. Do you know what the emergency stopping distance is from 110? It's far. It's far in a 911 turbo. It's farther in your car (probably, I don't know what you are driving, maybe you have a new Z/28).

Too many variables. The advantage of a track is that you are removing all of the additional variables. Cars, people, hell usually even wildlife avoids track days.

GhostZ > Clown Shoe Pilot 08/05/2014 at 23:30

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Cops don't patrol for ticketers because A) they'd never get enough to be worth it and B) they know that so few wrecks happen there compared to wrecks in town because of drunk drivers.

Trunk Impaired 318 > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:31

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I know, Im just over here trying to be a poor influence. And for what its worth this is pretty much why I do autocross and track days, so Im not tempted to do anything like this on the actual road

Leadbull > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:34

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I agree with you, but I don't think comparing fast driving to heroin does your argument any good...

Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:35

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I agree with you that more needs to be done, but that still doesn't make it right. I could get obliterated by a semi-truck on my way to work tomorrow, but I will still make the drive. But will I go 110 on my way to work? Fuck no.

MountainCommand > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:37

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You put good thought into this. So one could assume you may be a smarter driver doing excessive speed opposed to a stoned hipster trying to max out his moms altima. Thats the extreme, but you get my point. When im old and grey tho, i will say i would have regret not pushing my car a little bit.

"Because you know im all about that risk, bout that risk, no trouble. I'm all about that risk, bout that risk. No trouble. Im all about that risk"

Gotta lighten the mood before its gets too serious. I hope you know the song im referencing...

Brian, The Life of > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:37

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Do as I say as a responsible adult not as I did as a very lucky youth.

GhostZ > Arch Duke Maxyenko, Shit Talk Extraordinaire 08/05/2014 at 23:38

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You obviously don't go to work by traveling on a road like these. No one does, actually. That's why they're so empty.

GhostZ > Leadbull 08/05/2014 at 23:39

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They both exhibit similarities: They're addicting, not practiced by the majority, cost money, come with health hazards, are generally illegal, safe and legal alternatives are extremely expensive or woefully ineffective, and their primary use is to make an individual feel good.

Conan > Manuél Ferrari 08/05/2014 at 23:43

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I'm pretty sure you'd get busted doing 110 on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchafala… and they probably wouldn't care otherwise.

Conan > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:49

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18 year old me might have thought differently but I think wildlife on the road is still a danger even when you're pretty sure there are no cars around and have a very long viewing distance. Rural roads also tend to have more problematic maintenance than highways. Even in places with no tracks you can sometimes get excuses to go somewhat more legally fast (and the cops even organize that in the county north of my hometown, though not where I live now). And if there aren't rallies or autocross, you can sometimes even get permission to go all Top Gear on an airfield.

Leadbull > Crocket Bernet 08/05/2014 at 23:50

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Since this whole thing's about Patrick, I don't think he did much wrong. We've all (or close to all, at least) done it at some point. If the road's clear, smooth enough, and you're confident yet careful... go for it. Besides, what do you think all the people who buy ridiculously quick cars do with them, anyway? It happens all the time.

My personal rules of hoonage:

— Know the conditions, and tailor your driving to said conditions.

— Don't test the limits. Drive fast, but don't push it too far; the street—any street—isn't the place for that.

— Don't cross the double yellows... ever, really. If there aren't any lines, be super careful to stay on your side.

— Don't be stupid.

I've driven as fast as Mr. George before, and I still do on occasion. If I get a ticket, I'll pay it. If I crash, then luck must really hate me, as I do everything I can to be safe.

beardsbynelly - Rikerbeard > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/05/2014 at 23:53

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Keep it to the track, cops have better things to do than tell your family they found your insides decorating a tree.

Leadbull > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:55

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It's a good analogy, but not a very endearing one.

All Motor Is Best Motor > GhostZ 08/05/2014 at 23:55

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These are the kinds of roads I'm talking about, except the ones around me are straighter and about as hilly with a few more trees.

Soloburrito > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:00

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Sounds like fun to me. I've done 140 on the toll road in the middle of the night "without a jacker in sight" as the man says. Really it's just a quick pull from cruising speed for a few seconds then coast. Because America.

Rainbow > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:03

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Rural with fields or rural with forests? If the latter, a crossing deer could mean decapitation, so no way. If it's the former and you can see any and all wildlife, sure!

(I once put two wheels in the dirt on the OTHER side of the road due to a deer coming in front of me and doubling back after I tried to go behind him. Very nearly went into a creek at 10PM, miles from the nearest building, with no phone service. So I don't recommend it.)

treesmakewater > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:04

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as long as You know that you are risking your life more than a normal drive (let's forget about text drivers, drunk drivers, and flat-out bad drivers)

bhardoin > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:05

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My rule is to only put myself (maybe some wildlife) in danger. I won't cross lane lines, speed past driveways, blow through intersections, or subject unwilling passengers. Also, I'll never push it on roads I don't know.

But those fucking deer... probably the death of me.

Dusty Ventures > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:06

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Condemn. More than once we've had someone come into the funeral home as a result of high speeds "on a straight, empty backroad that nobody ever uses." Deer/wildlife running onto the road, broken down car in the shoulder over a crest (or in one case simple road debris over a crest), etc. But you've probably heard numerous explanations of "what ifs" and things that happened on similar roads in similar circumstances, so allow me to provide a different argument against: public perception.

The automotive enthusiast community is often under a microscope, and minor transgressions by individuals can be blown out of proportion and held against the community as a whole. This can mean everything from making it difficult to get permission to hold car shows/autocrosses/rallies etc to increased police presence on your favorite roads and an increased crackdown on speeding/traffic violations, even at the speeds that were previously deemed "acceptable" by the authorities. In other words, even if nothing goes wrong during your drive those kinds of speeds can wind up being harmful/troublesome.

Big Bubba Ray > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:31

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I'd be lying if I said I haven't doubled the speed limit once or twice in my cars. The day I bought my 240Z, I was on an empty, long stretch of road with a 30 mph speed limit. I wanted to see what the car could do so I flew up to 80 then backed off.

Anyways, we can't stop you from doing it. I'm sure most people here have done the same thing. Just know your limits and be prepared to pay the price if something is to go wrong.

HammerheadFistpunch > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:35

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do not condone, cannot condemn.

All Motor Is Best Motor > Leadbull 08/06/2014 at 00:45

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Actually this wasn't about Patrick, it was about my recent cruise. I totally agree with you though.

Blunion05 drives a pink S2000 (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 00:53

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Double the limit just seems a bit excessive. Driving fast is great when you have a great exhaust note and can't hear all the road noise. When I was with my buddy in his ZL1 he took it up to 130 and I was having a blast hearing the engine only.

I'm in Texas by the way. Not difficult to find empty stretches of highways. Here in Houston we have our inner city loop and empty stretches of state highways.

Manuél Ferrari > Conan 08/06/2014 at 01:07

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Now I want to drive really fast over that bridge

Manuél Ferrari > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 01:11

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WAT

You haven't seen True Detective?

You need to see it pronto!

tromoly > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 01:35

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Dumb. Dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb.

I don't care what anyone says, but speed does kill, because science. Remember Kinetic Energy? KE=(m*v^2)/2. Double your speed, and you have quadrupled the energy of a collision. Remember that Fifth Gear clip about running a car into a wall at 120mph?

Please let me know how a deceleration of over 12,000 ft/sec^2 feels if you hit anything......

All Motor Is Best Motor > tromoly 08/06/2014 at 12:29

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I don't think I'll be hitting a wall head on at 120 mph any time soon :)

tromoly > All Motor Is Best Motor 08/06/2014 at 12:48

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It doesn't have to be a wall. Did you see the J-Turn episode from yesterday? If you hit ANYTHING at that kind of speed, you're getting screwed up. Why risk it?

Roadster Man > bhardoin 08/06/2014 at 12:48

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Every time I think of driving even a bit quickly at night, I need to stop myself. Fucking deer.

All Motor Is Best Motor > tromoly 08/06/2014 at 12:52

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I risk it because it's fun, and given the circumstances and how careful I am not to speed when anything or anyone could show up in my way, I'm unlikely to hit anything.

bhardoin > Roadster Man 08/06/2014 at 21:20

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I lived down a pretty rural deer-infested road for my whole driving career, and I'm way less afraid of them at night. Keep your brights on, and they'll always look at you, and you can see their eyes glowing from ages away on the side of the road. Its the daytime deer that are perfectly camouflaged into the side-brush that scare the shit out of me.