Crossovers?

"Zohaibman72" (zohaibman72) 07/27/2014 at 14:45 • Filed to: None

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For her 40th birthday, my mom wants a new car, specifically a new SUV/Crossover. We've looked at very little so far, she likes the Honda Crosstour and the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! the most so far, she also liked the CR-V but hated the shifter placement.

I advised against the Crosstour and said for her to just get an accord, but she hasn't looked at it yet.

What do you guys think is a good crossover? We are going from a Honda Civic (which may or may not be my 2nd car depending on the circumstances), this is my mom's first SUV/Crossover, and I will be driving it a lot, so preferably something that quick and handles like a car, not a boat.

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The only crossover I've ever driven is the CRV, and I was impressed.

Price range is about $42500

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:47

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NOT THE CRV!!! NOT THE CRV!!!

THE STEERING IS AS LIMP AS A HOT GUMMY WORM AND THE BRAKES ARE AS SOFT AS STRAWBERRY JELLO

E30Joe drives a Subaru > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:47

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If you're looking at Fords I'd say skip the Edge and go straight to the Explorer sport.

Zohaibman72 > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 07/27/2014 at 14:48

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honestly I kinda liked it. It did handle like mud but I expected it because its an SUV. One thing that was impressive was how smooth it was, probably more smooth than any car I can remember being in.

jkm7680 > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:48

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Don't get the CR-V. They just look cheap, and boring.

The Edge is a much better choice.

Denver Is Stuck In The 90s > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:49

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My mom has a 2010 CRV, Its shit to drive

Zohaibman72 > E30Joe drives a Subaru 07/27/2014 at 14:50

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I LOVE the explorer sport, but it's too big for my mom, and ontop of that its a whole $5000 more than the edge for really a size upgrade. I'm an only child, and my was single until recently, so we don't need something huge.

shpuker > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:50

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Jeep Cherokee. Do it. You know you want to.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:51

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The CR-V is boring but probably the most reliable crossover on the market. It basically created the crossover segment.

Zohaibman72 > shpuker 07/27/2014 at 14:51

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My mom thinks the regular cherokee is horrendous, but she (and I) want the Grand Cherokee or Durango. But it's too big for our needs.

shpuker > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:52

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In what way?

Zohaibman72 > BrownMiataDieselWagon 07/27/2014 at 14:53

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I agree it was boring to drive yea, but it was very smooth and comfortable . But then again I've never driven any other crossovers, so my opinion is worth nothing. I think the '06 honda civic is the most fun car i've ever driven, so yea...

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:54

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I personally like the GMC Terrain Denali.

Loaded with AWD and the 301 horsepower V6 it's right around $40,000. Or you can get an SLT-2 and get a similar level of luxury without the Denali price increase.

There's also the Equinox, but that looks like a bug IMO.

Zohaibman72 > shpuker 07/27/2014 at 14:55

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She goes to the city alot, and she already thinks an SUV is big enough, the grand cherokee is larger than my grandpas 7 seater CX9. Also looking at pricing, its very expensive, nearly out of our price range on the base model at $39,995.

BrownMiataDieselWagon > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:56

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I just reread your original post. Have you considered the Mazda CX-5? It handles better on the road than most other crossovers and I think the styling is fantastic.

shpuker > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:57

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No I mean in what way did she dislike the Cherokee? In comparison to the CR-V I'd personally have a drastically contrasting opinion.

Zohaibman72 > Logansteno: Bought a VW? 07/27/2014 at 14:57

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Haven't even looked at GM, it seems like a possible option, i'll talk about it to her, thanks for the suggestion!

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 14:59

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Have you considered a Lexus RX? Seems like a potential candidate. Bigger than a crosstour or crosstrek, smaller than an explorer, and less bloated than a CRV.

Zohaibman72 > shpuker 07/27/2014 at 14:59

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She thinks its extremely ugly, and my mom is very style over substance when it comes to car. She thought the mitsubishi outlander was a minivan. She wouldn't look past looks in a car at all, shes the type to spend $300 on a micheal kors bag. Not meaning to make my mom sound like a materialist, but she likes what she likes

Zohaibman72 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/27/2014 at 15:01

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its a very nice car, but starting at $50,000 in Canada is alot. My mom might stretch the budget,but not for a base model, sadly. Also my uncle (her brother) has had constant problems with our local toyota/lexus dealer and my family will probably never buy another toyota again because of the problems.

StoneCold > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:02

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My parents loved the 2013 Edge they rented out in CO, and we sold our new 2012 CRV within a year of buying it because it was terrible to drive and uncomfortable.

Just letting you know.

shpuker > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:03

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I know what you mean. Best advice I can give there is to just convince her to test drive cars that she writes off a bit quickly. Find a decent one around with the right options and all that and let new opinions form.

Zohaibman72 > StoneCold 07/27/2014 at 15:04

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Edge is very likely at this point. The main reason we looked at the CRV and Crosstour was because our dealer gives a large discount to loyal customers, and we've had the civic since 2005

Zohaibman72 > shpuker 07/27/2014 at 15:05

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I hope so, it looks interesting, also her boyfriend works for chrysler, so we got that too.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:06

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Ohhhh she's only shopping for a brand spankin' new car? Well, that'll put a damper on her options for sure... A GM Acadia is affordable, but you kind of get what you pay for on that one.

Zohaibman72 > BrownMiataDieselWagon 07/27/2014 at 15:07

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We've been looking at that a while, because her sister in law wants one. It's a possible option.

Zohaibman72 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/27/2014 at 15:08

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she said used, but only like '12, '13. That would put the RX at about 47,000 still (i actually just checked). GMC Acadia is a possible option, I think it's a pretty attractive though.

Logansteno: Bought a VW? > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:11

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Also, the platform it rides on is the same one that underpins my mom's Vue, which is a great car to drive. So it shouldn't even be too boring for you.

Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:20

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Subaru Crosstrek. In my (highly biased) opinion the best small crossover out there.

Really does drive like a car (because it's essentially an Impreza underneath), and the asymmetrical AWD can pretty much take the vehicle anywhere you want to go. I pull down around 30MPG in a 50/50 split of highway to city.

The car has a CVT, but it seems to be a well programmed CVT, that isn't annoying and doesn't drone like most. Plus, it has flappy paddles which make a world of difference in passing situations. Plus, you can get a loaded to the gills one for about 30k, and she can keep the rest of that money in her pocket, not wasting on a car payment.

Zohaibman72 > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 07/27/2014 at 15:21

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oh god yes, we are going to subaru soon, and I'm gonna force her towards that so I can drive it all the time

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:21

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Hmm, in a way there's still lots of other option out there that are comfortably in that budget (I think): Mazda CX-5, Subaru Forester, Nissan Rogue... Not going to suggest a Rav4 due to the unpleasantness with Toyota you mentioned.

Tom McParland > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:23

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Subaru Forester or Mazda CX-5...the CR-V is a "safe bet" though.

Zohaibman72 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/27/2014 at 15:23

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We looked at the rogue, she didn't really like it. We might be going to subaru to check out the crosstek and forester. CX-5 is a car we've looked at for a while, and is a likely candidate. Might be a bit too small for my moms taste though, she wants a little more medium, like the CX-7

Zohaibman72 > Tom McParland 07/27/2014 at 15:24

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I would love it if she got a forester, I want a subie, any subie. CX-5 is likely too

Tom McParland > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:29

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The new Rogue is also really nice but only if you get it loaded....however reliability is an unknown. I have a customer with one, she seems happy so far.

Zohaibman72 > Tom McParland 07/27/2014 at 15:30

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My grandpa didn't like it all, he had high hopes until the autoshow, so I'm not 100% on it happening

Tom McParland > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:32

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Get the Subie if you can

Makoyouidiot > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:35

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Jeep Renegade, BMW X1, Range Rover Evoque, maybe the Fiat 500x when/if it ever comes out. I have odd tastes.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:35

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Well I can tell you that she'll think the Crosstrek (tek?) is way too small... It's just a bigger Impreza.

Makoyouidiot > Makoyouidiot 07/27/2014 at 15:36

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Oh and Mazda CX-5

Zohaibman72 > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 07/27/2014 at 15:38

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yeah I can see that happening

Zohaibman72 > Makoyouidiot 07/27/2014 at 15:39

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X1 is nice, I haven't even looked at the Evoque, she'd love it. But it's probably out of the price range

7492719203 > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:43

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Forester XT :D

Dat 2.0 DIT!

Makoyouidiot > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:48

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A decent 12 will run about 35k or so, at least here in the States.

Autotrader Search _ all US

GhostZ > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:53

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Your post made me wonder why someone would want a Crossover over a sedan right now, given that they're so popular, so I did some sleuthing on the statistical 'advantages' of an SUV over a sedan.

Below is a bunch of stats comparing an equivalent Edge, Fusion, and Focus. I'm going to give you the TL;DR reasoning below, but I'll just give you the stats here, using a 3.5l Edge as a basis of 1, with higher % meaning better values, and lower % meaning worse.

Gas prices were assumed for 20000 mile a year, lease prices for a 36 month lease.

Edge 3.5l AWD:

Cargo w/4 passengers: 32 cubic Feet ( 100% )

Cargo w/2 passengers: 68 cubic feet ( 100% )

Cost of lease+fuel yearly: $9642/year ( 100% )

0-60: 6.9 ( 100% )

USNews Safety Rating: 8.9 ( 100% )

Fusion 2.0l Ecoboost AWD:

Cargo w/4 passengers: 16 cubic Feet ( 50% )

Cargo w/2 passengers: 52 cubic feet ( 77% )

Cost of lease+fuel yearly: $7584/year ( 127% )

0-60: 6.8 ( 101% )

USNews Safety Rating: 9.2 ( 103% )

Focus Titanium 2.0l:

Cargo w/4 passengers: 23.8 cubic Feet ( 74% )

Cargo w/2 passengers: 44.8 cubic feet ( 66% )

Cost of lease+fuel yearly: $6798/year ( 142% )

0-60: 8.5 ( 81% )

USNews Safety Rating: 9 ( 101% )

Some insights:

1. The Edge is less safe than the Fusion its based off of due to poor frontal crash test ratings.

2. The cost of owning an Edge is significantly higher than either the Fusion or the Edge.

3. The only area where the Edge has a consistent advantage is in cargo space, and that only shines if you have 4 passengers.

4. The 3.5l V6 Edge is slower than the 2.0l Ecoboost Fusion.

So, if she buys an Edge over a Fusion (which is it's platform-sister sedan), it's her admitting that she cares about cargo space about 3x more than money, safety, or speed.

Cargo stats came from Ford's Website, along with 0-60. Lease information came from TrueCar.

Below is the rest of the stats that create the values above.

Fuel Economy: Let's assume you're going to get an equivalent trim with the Fusion or Focus, which means you're getting the Ecoboost 240HP AWD Inline 4 in the fusion, and the Focus with 2.0l Titanium model with an automatic transmission, and the Edge Limited with the 3.5l V6 AWD,

Edge Fuel Economy: 18/25

Fusion Fuel Economy: 22/31

Focus Fuel Economy: 27/37

But that doesn't tell the whole story, let's assume $4 a gallon for gas, how does the cost stack up for 20,000 miles of driving (12 months)?

Edge: $4444/$3200 average: $3822

Fusion: $3636/$2580 average: $3108

Focus: $2962/$2162 average: $2562

Lease Prices:

Edge: $485/mo or $5820/year

Fusion: $373/mo or $4476/year

Focus: $353/mo $4236/year

Add in fuel economy and you get:

Edge: $9642/year

Fusion: $7584/year

Focus: $6798/year

m-b-w loves his SUBAROO > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 15:55

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Volvo XC60?

mazda616 > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 16:00

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We have had our CX-5 for a little over a year and my wife and I love it. If you have any questions, I can answer them. It's very nimble, well put together, easy to live with, and gets great gas mileage. The highest we have seen is 37 MPG on a highway trip to see my family last Christmas.

Volvo 850 > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 16:01

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The Mazda CX-5 is the best driving crossover out there. It's actually more fun to drive than a lot of cars thanks to its great steering and handling. It really handles well, nearly as well as the new Mazda 3. The automatic transmission is also the best programmed auto I've ever driven, it's very smooth and downshifts quickly. When a drove a manual 3 with the 2.0 engine I was surprised to learn it felt gutless below 2000rpm, because the automatic in the 2.0L CX-5 I had driven did such a good job of hiding that gutlessness. The CX-5 is a little short of the CR-V on space and not as quiet or refined as a Crosstour or Edge, so it might not work.

The Crosstour has a really comfortable back seat, but unless that's really important a Subaru Outback would be a better choice. The Subaru Forester is another car you have to consider. The CX-5 is much better to drive, but the Forester has more space and I hear the Turbo version can be pretty entertaining. The Outback also has an excellent flat-6, which is probably the most refined engine in a mainstream car. You can probably get a great price on the still very competitive 2014 or get the nicer looking 2015 with a much fancier interior and up to date infotainment stuff.

The Volvo XC60 is at the top end of the price range, so I'd recommend looking at used ones 1-2 years old. I love the styling of the XC60, especially the interior. It isn't the most fun car to drive, but the combination of a really smooth ride and the best seats in the world make it my second favorite crossover (behind the CX-5, which I love because it's so fun to drive). Either inline 6 option is great. The 3.2 is probably one of the most refined engines on the market and feels quick enough. The T6 is just as refined as the 3.2, but does sub 6 second 0-60 runs. Either one will get about 19mpg, which is the XC60's biggest problem.

Local Miata Bro > Denver Is Stuck In The 90s 07/27/2014 at 16:02

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I can attest to that I have to drive them around a Honda dealership for customers

ColonialSaab > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 16:17

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My friend recently purchased a Subie Crosstrek. Seems like a decently priced nice car.

anon-sxmcyecofnu1eocpqsk9iq > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 16:38

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The Honda CR-V is boring to drive, but nearly perfect in every other way. My parents have one.

trmoore09 > Zohaibman72 07/27/2014 at 17:25

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We've had our CX-5 for a little over a year. It's awesome.

MontegoMan562 is a Capri RS Owner > Zohaibman72 07/28/2014 at 09:21

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if you aren't looking to a larger size I'm a HUGE fan of the GMC Terrain.

Kid Cars > Zohaibman72 07/28/2014 at 12:28

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She wants the Forester. It is perfect for a mom that doesn't need a huge SUV. It drives like a car, it's actually fun to drive compared the CR-V, and AWD built in. There's a reason Subaru has been kicking ass lately, they make awesome crossovers.

Kid Cars > Stapleface-Now Hyphenated! 07/28/2014 at 12:30

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Just nitpicking...it's Symmetrical AWD.

Zohaibman72 > Kid Cars 07/28/2014 at 15:22

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I want her to get the forester because I know I will drive her car alot, maybe even more than both of my cars, the forester sounds great