"DailyTurismo" (thedailyturismo)
07/15/2014 at 12:49 • Filed to: daily turismo, bmw, e9
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"DailyTurismo" (thedailyturismo)
07/15/2014 at 12:49 • Filed to: daily turismo, bmw, e9 | 8
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Imagine for a minute that you have $15k budgeted for your next daily driver. You can pickup a new Nissan Versa, a three year old Honda Civic or a 10 year old BMW 3-series...but don't be an idiot. Buy this BMW 3.0CS instead.
The little know fact about driving a vintage BMW is that when you change lanes without signaling first, it isn't because you are a typical BMW asshat driver, its because the bloody blinkers don't work. Same goes for cutting people off, its probably because you just realized the wiring harness is on fire and you need to get off the freeway.. NOW .
The BMW E9 platform (known internally at BMW as the New Six CS) was a stunningly executed redesign of the BMW 2000CS platform to accommodate BMWs new range of big inline-6 engines. While the 2000CS has been accused of being a bit homely, the 2800CS/3.0CS/3.0CSi/3.0CSL that replaced it featured a comely shark nose that set the tone of BMW's styling for decades. Find this !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! currently bidding for $13,000 in Howard Beach, NY on ebay with 1 day to go.
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The E9 is a good looking car from any angle; its pointed nose is iconic and rear glass is achingly beautiful, but how is this one in DT price territory? First: it has a slushbox transmission and second: it's got some rust bubbles appearing...still...seems tempting. Rust is very common in BMWs from this era, but if the car isn't too far gone it can be fixed with new sheet metal and some work with a welder and angle grinder.
Under the hood is a 3.0 liter inline-6 good for 180 horsepower when fed via twin carburetors. Production of the "big six" M30 engines started in 1968 and continued all the way through 1994.
A peek inside reveals part of the reason for the low price, but if you just wanted a simple car to cruise around and don't care to row your own gears, this would make a great alternative to a domestic coupe.
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PeteRR
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 12:56 |
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That is some nice sheetmetal. Who designed the body?
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DailyTurismo
> PeteRR
07/15/2014 at 13:00 |
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Wilhelm Hoffmeister of the " Hoffmeister kink " fame penned the E9.
GoKart_MoZart
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:04 |
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I am not so sure if that little gearbox doesn't have planetary gears - and will bump start to prove it.
Bfil
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:04 |
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I have a soft spot for 3.0 CS but I think they look better with the aero pack (under the dront bumper).... Are there diffenrence between the euro and the US version?
505Turbeaux
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:05 |
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I had to research on this, I thought it was Paul Bracq, since he landed at BMW in '70, but it was as you say. Wilhelm did the E3 also, which I have had a few of and never knew, thinking it was Bracq
Quade
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:10 |
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Rust is very common in BMWs from this era, but if the car isn't too far gone it can be fixed with new sheet metal and some work with a welder and angle grinder.
You will NEVER get rid of all the rust. If it's actually bubbling the paint, that means it's rusted from the inside out and there's a hell of a lot of rust you can't see yet. It's a nice looking car but, you'll never be able to stop the cancer. I'd avoid it for that reason.
I wouldn't buy a car to keep, north of Virginia.
Brian, The Life of
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:10 |
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O_o
Nice price!
472CID
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:10 |
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NP given I've seen these for twice the price.
leveedog
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:10 |
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I have long lusted after these, but finding a rust free example is nearly impossible. Often the rust is hidden, as well. The rust bubbles behind the front wheels is a VERY bad sign of a major problem. Check out this chart: http://www.e9coupe.com/buyers_guide/i…
Chairman Kaga
> PeteRR
07/15/2014 at 13:10 |
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Seems to owe a bit to Lancia.
Joshua W
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:11 |
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Hey! I think I've seen this car in person
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Joshua W
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:11 |
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Hey! I think I've seen this car in person
mikewballou
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:13 |
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The Kink
RallyWrench
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:16 |
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Wonderful, wonderful cars, with great style & performance, and really robust mechanicals. This one's not the best example, and rust repair on the coupe bodies can be a nightmare because they trap water everywhere. Too bad about the automatic too, but as a GT car, it works. Overall they're valued low IMO, especially when compared to their contemporaries like the 911 & Pagoda SL.
ZHP Sparky, the 5th
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:20 |
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Similar to newer BMWs, did these share (manual) transmissions with other models, perhaps even newer vehicles like the E21, or would a swap be possible with an E30/E28, etc. transmission down the road (which are very cheap and plentiful)?
I'd totally settle for a slushbox temporarily at that price point, if a manual swap (and sourcing the panels etc.) weren't too tough to do a little bit down the road.
I hoon, therefore I am
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:22 |
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Bubbling looks like rust in the front wheel wells. Fairly common , and as I understand a giant pain to remedy .
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DailyTurismo
> 505Turbeaux
07/15/2014 at 13:23 |
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If you dig deeper you'll find people who say that Hoffmeister's design was extremely derivative of the 2000CS which was a Giugiaro design when he worked at Gruppo Bertone.
Some more info on the E9 coupe forum here .
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DailyTurismo
> Chairman Kaga
07/15/2014 at 13:26 |
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Ah the Fulvia — you've found one of my weakspots!! A stunning piece of design work by Piero Castagnero.
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DailyTurismo
> Joshua W
07/15/2014 at 13:28 |
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Pics, or it never happened!! J/K — where and when?
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JLZ06
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:29 |
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no thanks.
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DailyTurismo
> Brian, The Life of
07/15/2014 at 13:30 |
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I've seen 2000CS and 2800CS at this price, but never a 3.0CS. Granted...it does have some problems.
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DailyTurismo
> I hoon, therefore I am
07/15/2014 at 13:31 |
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This is a car to either strip down to nothing and fix all the rust issues before moving your entire family to Arizona...or just drive it as is for a year and sell to someone else who is a headstrong optimist planning to move to the Southwest.
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Pdb
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:34 |
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bidding
SOCdriver
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:37 |
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The want is strong for this, but it is in NY (rust anyone?) and it is outside my price range. I am going to pick up a AW11 MR2 in showroom mint condition (56K miles!) for like $5500 and keep it that way. A buddy of mine is getting a slightly less crisp 89 MR2 for $3300 and restoring it.
Dream Theater of the Absurd
> Chairman Kaga
07/15/2014 at 13:42 |
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They certainly could have found worse sources to copy from. :)
Hart88
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 13:52 |
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Nice price. As stated, they all have rust problems - it's just a matter of degree. Assuming this isn't completely overrun by the tin worm, it looks like a good starting point for a great E9 resto project.
First order of business: a proper 5-speed.
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DailyTurismo
> Pdb
07/15/2014 at 13:56 |
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This just got exciting!! Good luck and let me know if you end up with this thing. tips@dailyturismo.com
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I hoon, therefore I am
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 14:03 |
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I live in Phoenix. Never, EVER move to Arizona.
Wagons-Midwest
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 14:18 |
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A shame it's an automatic. My father moved to a 2800CS from a Camaro SS in 1970 when the Camaro's brakes turned to mush avoiding a freeway pileup. The only car he liked more than the BMW is his 91 SE-R, which he still has.
syrgrad91
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 14:23 |
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$13k for an E9 is this nice of condition? A bargain. Sure, it's got an automatic, but it also has A/C, and seriously, would you rather sit in bumper to bumper traffic in a Nissan, Honda or Toyota, or this? Besides, it would be an easy swap to convert this to a manual if you really insisted on doing so.
Saracen
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 14:30 |
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Even with an auto, that is a NICE PRICE all day.
SirPoopyPants
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 14:42 |
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I've always wanted to find one of these cheap enough to go all "restomod" on it. Maybe a supercharged E46 M3 motor w/ a six-speed or something. Don't have the cash though...
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DailyTurismo
> SirPoopyPants
07/15/2014 at 14:54 |
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E60 M5 V10 + 6spd would be the only acceptable power plant swap candidate.
Cebu
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 15:03 |
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Oo, this one'd be my perfect daily driver. Schporty and stylish, with an excuse for me to forget where the turn signals were right before i change lanes other than stupidity.
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SirPoopyPants
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 15:07 |
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If I hit the powerball/mega millions and actually have the coin to do this, I'd personally stay with the I6, but that sounds awesome too.
word-is-bond
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 15:24 |
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Actually - I think you have to go back one more to the 3200cs to get the Giugiaro for Bertone design. Very clear lineage, though. And I prefer Hoffmeister's front end solutions to Giorgetto's
Kathy C. Jones
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 15:33 |
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Start working at home with Google! It's by-far the best job I've had. Last Wednesday I got a brand new BMW since getting a check for $6474 this - 4 weeks past. I began this 8-months ago and immediately was bringing home at least $77 per hour. I work through this link, go to tech tab for work detail
George Costanza
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 16:00 |
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For some reason I think that will make me drive it with a certain style.
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Chairman Kaga
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 16:06 |
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And I soooo prefer the coupe to the Zagato.
A V4? It's Italian. Why not?
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DailyTurismo
> Chairman Kaga
07/15/2014 at 16:37 |
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You like the coupe over the sport?? Zagato be kidding me!!
Pic from the time I found a Zagato spider.
Rusty Shackleford
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 16:46 |
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Bad ones are going for 20k now. Good ones are going for 50k+. This is a car whose time has come. 13.5k is a steal on this car.
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Rusty Shackleford
> Pdb
07/15/2014 at 16:47 |
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Good luck. Even with rust this thing is a steal.
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Rusty Shackleford
> SirPoopyPants
07/15/2014 at 16:48 |
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Swaps are incredibly difficult on this car. Fitting a newer engine is tough. You are better off restoring to original any way as there are so few of these gems left.
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Rusty Shackleford
> Quade
07/15/2014 at 16:49 |
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Plenty of companies that specialize in E9 rust repair. E9s are notorious for rusting.
Obruni
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 16:52 |
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Pedro S
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 16:54 |
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Hoffmeister Kink would be a great name for a German New Wave band
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Pdb
> Rusty Shackleford
07/15/2014 at 17:29 |
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Its scruffy inside, and in the engine bay. Both red flags. Its worth 17, no more. Its probably FULL of issues.
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OnetimeBlueboy
> DailyTurismo
07/15/2014 at 17:41 |
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Something about the way the doors hang makes me wonder if it's been bent...
rb1971 ARGQF+CayenneTurbo+E9+328GTS+R90S
> JLZ06
07/15/2014 at 19:28 |
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This is the easiest thing to fix on this car. BMW transmission availability for these is high.
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Rusty Shackleford
> Pdb
07/15/2014 at 19:54 |
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Only reason I say it is a steal is because there are almost none left. There were never many to begin with, but I have seen comparable cars actually selling for more. This thing really does deserve a restoration.
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SamJackson
> DailyTurismo
07/16/2014 at 14:44 |
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I want that. No, actually I NEED THAT!
Mr Joshua
> DailyTurismo
07/16/2014 at 17:26 |
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BMWs should never be allowed to change gears by themselves. It just ain't right. It's got that same unnatural feeling as sex with your first cousin. Just sayin....
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bmw NUT
> DailyTurismo
02/04/2015 at 15:32 |
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Weak front wings and tons of rust underneath ??
That is why rust free cars are worth a fortune, mind you RUST FREE , not pretenders.
You can easily hide the rust to most (ignorant_ people.....
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threeliterchronicles
> DailyTurismo
10/18/2016 at 11:43 |
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Late to the game but this is the best post.... ever.